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Post by tito on Oct 13, 2009 21:40:39 GMT -5
lol reminds me of Yugoslavia & the presidential rotation policy which if I'm not mistaken was every 5 years. I actually don’t mind the rotation now that all citizens will be allowed to vote for all 3 ethnic BH-presidency candidates, in fact I find it much better to have both Silajdizc and Komsic in the presidency then just one of them. Next step is to bring in Jovan Divjak as the serb member of the presidency ;D  |
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Post by tito on Nov 13, 2009 19:19:02 GMT -5
Anyway the serbs have now agreed to support changes in the current election laws so that citizens of BiH no longer will be discriminated based on ethnicity or which entity they are from. This will allow voters from both entities to vote for all 3 ethnic BH-presidency candidates but also non-serbs to candidate them self’s for entity president in RS. 13.10.2009 Dodik je dodao da je za RS prihvatljivo da bude uveden predsjednik Predsjedništva BiH i dva potpredsjednika sa rotacijom svakih osam mjeseci. www.nezavisne.com/dogadjaji/vijesti/47427/Entitetsko-glasanje-nije-dovedeno-u-pitanje.html2 small changes after one week of negotiations and still 7 days to go before the EU and US representatives return to Sarajevo. 13.11.2009 Predsjednik Vlade RS-a i SNSD-a Milorad Dodik izrazio je danas spremnost da u ovom trenutku doðe do oko osam promjena Ustava BiH da bi se deblokirao daljnji proces evropskih integracija. Te promjene odnosile bi se na poveæanje broja poslanika u Predstavnièkom domu, kao i Domu naroda Parlamentarne skupštine BiH, zatim da se izbor poslanika u Dom naroda vrši s prostora cijele BiH, odnosno da se iskljuèi nacionalni ekskluzivitet prilikom izbora u zajednièke organe, što znaèi, pojasnio je, da se ne bi birao Srbin iz RS-a ili Hrvat i Bošnjak iz Federacije, veæ bi u Ustavu stajalo da se bira jedan predstavnik iz RS-a, odnosno dva iz Federacije BiH.
Dodik je izrazio spremnost da doðe do promjene Ustava BiH i u dijelu koji regulira rotaciju u Predsjedništvu BiH, koja se ne bi vršila svakih osam kao do sada, veæ svakih 16 mjeseci, zatim da bi se iz nadležnosti Predsjedništva BiH iskljuèilo pitanje odluèivanja o budžetu i prebacilo u nadležnost Vijeæa ministara BiH i, kako je dodao, postoji spremnost za još neke promjene državnih ustava. www.dnevniavaz.ba/dogadjaji/aktuelno/dodik-spremni-smo-na-promjene-ustava-bih |
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Post by tito on Nov 14, 2009 14:42:00 GMT -5
13.11.2009 Predsjednik Vlade RS-a i SNSD-a Milorad Dodik izrazio je danas spremnost da u ovom trenutku doðe do oko osam promjena Ustava BiH da bi se deblokirao daljnji proces evropskih integracija. Te promjene odnosile bi se na poveæanje broja poslanika u Predstavnièkom domu, kao i Domu naroda Parlamentarne skupštine BiH, zatim da se izbor poslanika u Dom naroda vrši s prostora cijele BiH, odnosno da se iskljuèi nacionalni ekskluzivitet prilikom izbora u zajednièke organe, što znaèi, pojasnio je, da se ne bi birao Srbin iz RS-a ili Hrvat i Bošnjak iz Federacije, veæ bi u Ustavu stajalo da se bira jedan predstavnik iz RS-a, odnosno dva iz Federacije BiH.
Dodik je izrazio spremnost da doðe do promjene Ustava BiH i u dijelu koji regulira rotaciju u Predsjedništvu BiH, koja se ne bi vršila svakih osam kao do sada, veæ svakih 16 mjeseci, zatim da bi se iz nadležnosti Predsjedništva BiH iskljuèilo pitanje odluèivanja o budžetu i prebacilo u nadležnost Vijeæa ministara BiH i, kako je dodao, postoji spremnost za još neke promjene državnih ustava. www.dnevniavaz.ba/dogadjaji/aktuelno/dodik-spremni-smo-na-promjene-ustava-bih14.11.2009 Povodom jučerašnje izjave predsjednika Vlade RS-a da je „RS, u ovom trenutku, spremna da prihvati osam promjena Ustava BiH“, Srpska demokratska stranka (SDS) upozorava da, "Milorad Dodik nije ni RS niti Narodna skupština RS-a, i da institucije RS-a nisu prihvatile nikakve promjene Ustava BiH niti ih je on obavijestio o onome što je njegova partija spremna da prihvati". "Od izjava da će RS prihvatiti samo one promjene Ustava BiH koje se odnose na njegovo usklađivanje sa Evropskom konvencijom o ljudskim pravima, da je 'butmirski paket' mrtav i da ne postoji, lider SNSD-a Milorad Dodik je na čudnovat način počeo Sarajevu na tacni da nudi dio butmirskog paketa", navodi u saopćenju SDS. Ovo potvrđuje sumnje da su u tajnosti nastavljeni 'butmirski razgovori', koji u svojoj sljedećoj fazi treba da dovedu do ukidanja entitetskog glasanja i tako definitivnog napuštanja Dejtonskog sporazuma kao novim uslovima za pristupanje EU“, smatra SDS. www.sarajevo-x.com/bih/politika/clanak/091114039Sad ce opet obecati referendum ;D |
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Nov 14, 2009 16:58:22 GMT -5
lol reminds me of Yugoslavia & the presidential rotation policy which if I'm not mistaken was every 5 years. I actually don’t mind the rotation now that all citizens will be allowed to vote for all 3 ethnic BH-presidency candidates, in fact I find it much better to have both Silajdizc and Komsic in the presidency then just one of them. Next step is to bring in Jovan Divjak as the serb member of the presidency ;D Before you said there were no Serbs in Bosnia? |
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Post by tito on Nov 14, 2009 18:49:59 GMT -5
I actually don’t mind the rotation now that all citizens will be allowed to vote for all 3 ethnic BH-presidency candidates, in fact I find it much better to have both Silajdizc and Komsic in the presidency then just one of them. Next step is to bring in Jovan Divjak as the serb member of the presidency ;D Before you said there were no Serbs in Bosnia? That is correct, but for as long as the constitution demands a "serb" member of the presidency we must vote for the most probosnian person still willing to call himself a "serb". Same goes for the so called "croats" in BiH and we have already achieved our goal there, doesn’t get much better then the zlatni ljiljan Zeljko Komsic. |
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Post by Username on Nov 14, 2009 19:29:18 GMT -5
You are kinda funny (in a stupid way) tito.
You expect Serbs and Croats to unite with Bosniaks and work for a functional and independent state, yet you go on trying to deny their existence.
Uhh ya... Good strategy.
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Post by tito on Nov 14, 2009 19:47:04 GMT -5
You are kinda funny (in a stupid way) tito. You expect Serbs and Croats to unite with Bosniaks and work for a functional and independent state, yet you go on trying to deny their existence. Uhh ya... Good strategy. LOL, no I don’t expect so called "serbs" and "croats" unite with Bosniaks, I expect catholic and orthodox Bosnians to understand that they have been manipulated into believing that they somehow belong to the false serbo/croat ethnicities. I don’t expect theme to return to their Bosnian roots until they accept the truth and distance themselves from Serbian expansionism. |
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Post by Username on Nov 14, 2009 19:56:32 GMT -5
ahhh, tool boy, you'll never learn will you? And for the record, the wide academic body accepts that Bosniaks/Muslims are an ethnic group that broke off the Croat and Serb ones. How does it feel knowing that your ancestors were Serbs and Croats? And maybe a Turk thrown in there somewhere too  Sorry to burst your bubble, but nationality does not equal ethnicity. And the Bosniak ethnicity was non existent until the Ottomans invaded... the gutless Serbs and Croats then converted and created your kind. |
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Post by tito on Nov 14, 2009 21:26:21 GMT -5
The Glorious Ottomans liberated Bosnia. As for the so called “serbs” and “croats” it is not even clear if they ever existed. What is clear is that they never existed in Bosnia, since the people there called them self’s Bosnjani/Bosnjaci. I can understand that the truth is hard to handle for a ultranationalists like you but you cant really expect a Bosnian patriot like me to pretend that so called “croat” and “serb” really exist in Bosnia when we both know that they are a product of enemy propaganda which exploited the religious feelings of uneducated Bosnian peasants less then 200 years ago. And don’t worry, as mother Bosnia becomes more democratic Bosniaks will be able to educate their confused catholic and orthodox brothers, we will liberate you InshAllah!  |
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Post by majmun on Nov 14, 2009 22:02:12 GMT -5
I often do not get if people here are joking...
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 15, 2009 6:47:24 GMT -5
Yes majmum, they are joking especially tito, he still cannot for the life of him (cause it makes him squeamish) admit the fact that Bosnian CROATS and Bosnian SERBS do exist in Bosna i Hercegovina; and that THEY TOO are recognised by the international community. He'd rather just paint us as Catholic or Orthodox people with no ethnic identity or connection at all. Well I may as well just also be an Australian Catholic, and my Bosnian mates; Australian Muslims. Just because he sold out his ethnicity, he is asking US to do the same also. Well it won't ever happen. EVER.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Nov 15, 2009 7:32:33 GMT -5
You are kinda funny (in a stupid way) tito. You expect Serbs and Croats to unite with Bosniaks and work for a functional and independent state, yet you go on trying to deny their existence. Uhh ya... Good strategy. LOL, no I don’t expect so called "serbs" and "croats" unite with Bosniaks, I expect catholic and orthodox Bosnians to understand that they have been manipulated into believing that they somehow belong to the false serbo/croat ethnicities. I don’t expect theme to return to their Bosnian roots until they accept the truth and distance themselves from Serbian expansionism. Da ti nisi malo skrenuo |
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Post by hellboy87 on Nov 15, 2009 8:07:48 GMT -5
The Glorious Ottomans liberated Bosnia. As for the so called “serbs” and “croats” it is not even clear if they ever existed. What is clear is that they never existed in Bosnia, since the people there called them self’s Bosnjani/Bosnjaci. I can understand that the truth is hard to handle for a ultranationalists like you but you cant really expect a Bosnian patriot like me to pretend that so called “croat” and “serb” really exist in Bosnia when we both know that they are a product of enemy propaganda which exploited the religious feelings of uneducated Bosnian peasants less then 200 years ago. And don’t worry, as mother Bosnia becomes more democratic Bosniaks will be able to educate their confused catholic and orthodox brothers, we will liberate you InshAllah! tito  tito tito tito toti tito,Bosnjani/Bosnjaci,may be a territorial term for people living in and or from the Bosnian sanjak,not merely an ethnic label. If I'm not mistaken,I even read that the Ottoman goverment even called the inhabitants of the Bosnian sanjak Bosniaks. |
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Post by tito on Nov 15, 2009 9:00:58 GMT -5
The Glorious Ottomans liberated Bosnia. As for the so called “serbs” and “croats” it is not even clear if they ever existed. What is clear is that they never existed in Bosnia, since the people there called them self’s Bosnjani/Bosnjaci. I can understand that the truth is hard to handle for a ultranationalists like you but you cant really expect a Bosnian patriot like me to pretend that so called “croat” and “serb” really exist in Bosnia when we both know that they are a product of enemy propaganda which exploited the religious feelings of uneducated Bosnian peasants less then 200 years ago. And don’t worry, as mother Bosnia becomes more democratic Bosniaks will be able to educate their confused catholic and orthodox brothers, we will liberate you InshAllah! tito tito tito tito toti tito,Bosnjani/Bosnjaci,may be a territorial term for people living in and or from the Bosnian sanjak,not merely an ethnic label. If I'm not mistaken,I even read that the Ottoman goverment even called the inhabitants of the Bosnian sanjak Bosniaks. The term Bosnjani was used during the time of the Bosnian kingdom, later on when Bosnia became a province inside the Ottoman empire it became Bosnjaci as it is today. Only problem is that we Bosniaks temporarily lost the christian population 150 years ago when enemies of Bosnia used religious hatred to manipulate these bastards into believing that they are somehow "serbs" and "croas" just because they happen to be born into a catholic or orthodox family. Their roots are Bosniak and we will liberate them from these antibosnian ideals that enemies of Bosnia have forced upon their Bosniak grandfathers. |
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Post by tito on Nov 15, 2009 9:20:37 GMT -5
13.11.2009 Predsjednik Vlade RS-a i SNSD-a Milorad Dodik izrazio je danas spremnost da u ovom trenutku doðe do oko osam promjena Ustava BiH da bi se deblokirao daljnji proces evropskih integracija. Te promjene odnosile bi se na poveæanje broja poslanika u Predstavnièkom domu, kao i Domu naroda Parlamentarne skupštine BiH, zatim da se izbor poslanika u Dom naroda vrši s prostora cijele BiH, odnosno da se iskljuèi nacionalni ekskluzivitet prilikom izbora u zajednièke organe, što znaèi, pojasnio je, da se ne bi birao Srbin iz RS-a ili Hrvat i Bošnjak iz Federacije, veæ bi u Ustavu stajalo da se bira jedan predstavnik iz RS-a, odnosno dva iz Federacije BiH.
Dodik je izrazio spremnost da doðe do promjene Ustava BiH i u dijelu koji regulira rotaciju u Predsjedništvu BiH, koja se ne bi vršila svakih osam kao do sada, veæ svakih 16 mjeseci, zatim da bi se iz nadležnosti Predsjedništva BiH iskljuèilo pitanje odluèivanja o budžetu i prebacilo u nadležnost Vijeæa ministara BiH i, kako je dodao, postoji spremnost za još neke promjene državnih ustava. www.dnevniavaz.ba/dogadjaji/aktuelno/dodik-spremni-smo-na-promjene-ustava-bihThis is kind of good, Dodik is finishing off the idea that a Croat "must" be included in the collective presidency. I guess it’s revenge for the fact that Croats took away this "constitutional people"-status that also the Serb minority once enjoyed in Croatia.  |
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Post by hellboy87 on Nov 15, 2009 10:01:14 GMT -5
The term Bosnjani was used during the time of the Bosnian kingdom, later on when Bosnia became a province inside the Ottoman empire it became Bosnjaci as it is today. Only problem is that we Bosniaks temporarily lost the christian population 150 years ago when enemies of Bosnia used religious hatred to manipulate these bastards into believing that they are somehow "serbs" and "croas" just because they happen to be born into a catholic or orthodox family. Their roots are Bosniak and we will liberate them from these antibosnian ideals that enemies of Bosnia have forced upon their Bosniak grandfathers. So your saying that the Bosnian Kingdom territory which then became the Bosnian sanjak/province of the Ottoman Empire consists of Bosniaks,all Christians,and then became mostly Muslims followed by Orthodox and Catholic Christian Bosniaks. Then outsider say the Catholics are Croatians and Othodoxies are Serbians........ hmmmmmmm....................you know,isnt there a lot of linguistic similarities between Bosniak,Croat and Serb language? If I'm not mistaken,there's still this blur line as to the Bosniak ethnicity,the ethnogenesis of the Bosniaks.Ive read once that Bosniaks are simply a mix of Croatians and Serbians who became Muslims. I think we need some clarifications still |
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 15, 2009 10:49:03 GMT -5
hellboy, if the mainstream view that Serbs, Croats & some undifferentiated slavs settled the Balkans as such is true, then that is what their ethnogenisis basically is. Croats & especially Serbs were an ethnicity expressed as such living in places not just called Serbia & Croatia. They are ethnic names. On the contrary, the name Bosnia is not an ethnic one rather it has its roots in the name of a river. It was the name of a teritory with various (mostly Serb & Croat) political influence. It was also much smaller in its initial size and expanded over known Serb & Croat territories. Even when it was at its smallest size Serbs were said to have lived there. So it was a mix of Serbs & Croats & probably some other slavs that identified with Bosnia but for obvious reasons Bosnian is not considered by anyone except for Muslims to have an ethnic meaning. The term Bosniak was coined by Turks to essentially identify the slav (Serb & Croat) converts to Islam. Don't pay attention to Tito. He's a freakshow Muslim & rarely even attempts to present some sort of rational thought. I pop in ever now & again to refute his nonsense when I think its necessary for someone like you.
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Post by tito on Nov 15, 2009 11:10:37 GMT -5
So your saying that the Bosnian Kingdom territory which then became the Bosnian sanjak/province of the Ottoman Empire consists of Bosniaks,all Christians,and then became mostly Muslims followed by Orthodox and Catholic Christian Bosniaks. Then outsider say the Catholics are Croatians and Othodoxies are Serbians........ History does not recognize any so called “serbs” or “croats” in Bosnia, it was no more then 150 years that these bastards stopped calling themselves Bosniaks and started confusing their religious identity with the national identity of these 2 other South Slavic peaking peoples outside Bosnia. If a Bosniak peasant was catholic he became a “croat” and if he was orthodox we got a “serb” instead, their false ethnicities are based on religion and nothing more. Hopefully the ongoing democratization of Bosnia will be able to correct most of these historical mistakes as people become more free to think outside the ultra nationalist box forced upon them by the serbo-croatian expansionists. hmmmmmmm....................you know,isnt there a lot of linguistic similarities between Bosniak,Croat and Serb language? In reality not much more then between the original Serbian language and Bulgarian or the original Croatian language and Slovenian. This changed mostly during the existence of Yugoslavia when the Bosnian language served as the official language of Yugoslavia only it was called “Serbo-Croatian” even though the authors admit that they stole most of it and it’s linguistic rules form Bosnia-Hercegovina and not Serbia or Croatia. If I'm not mistaken,there's still this blur line as to the Bosniak ethnicity,the ethnogenesis of the Bosniaks.Ive read once that Bosniaks are simply a mix of Croatians and Serbians who became Muslims. Yes that was their expansionist plan, to turn the truth upside down: they declared that Bosniaks where “poturice” and converted muslims serbs and muslim croats in order to hide their false ethnicities as so called “croats” and “serbs”. The posrbice and their catholic partners had the power to enforces such expansionist propaganda as the truth. Fortunately Bosnia is now again a free country and the Bosniaks have liberated them self’s from these serbo-croatian lies, now it is time to liberate our christian brothers who still think of them self’s as so called “serbs” and “croats”. Best part is that the posrbice have time against them and we have all the time in the world. |
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Post by Username on Nov 15, 2009 16:05:25 GMT -5
The term Bosnjani was used during the time of the Bosnian kingdom, later on when Bosnia became a province inside the Ottoman empire it became Bosnjaci as it is today. Only problem is that we Bosniaks temporarily lost the christian population 150 years ago when enemies of Bosnia used religious hatred to manipulate these bastards into believing that they are somehow "serbs" and "croas" just because they happen to be born into a catholic or orthodox family. Their roots are Bosniak and we will liberate them from these antibosnian ideals that enemies of Bosnia have forced upon their Bosniak grandfathers. So your saying that the Bosnian Kingdom territory which then became the Bosnian sanjak/province of the Ottoman Empire consists of Bosniaks,all Christians,and then became mostly Muslims followed by Orthodox and Catholic Christian Bosniaks. Then outsider say the Catholics are Croatians and Othodoxies are Serbians........ hmmmmmmm....................you know,isnt there a lot of linguistic similarities between Bosniak,Croat and Serb language? If I'm not mistaken,there's still this blur line as to the Bosniak ethnicity,the ethnogenesis of the Bosniaks.Ive read once that Bosniaks are simply a mix of Croatians and Serbians who became Muslims. I think we need some clarifications still Read what Arsenije said. Tito is just a nut.. He has a clear nationalistic agenda here (which ironically led to the war that led to many of his own kind dying). I just had a short PM convo with a Bosniak member on these forums and even they know that Bosniaks' ancestors were Serbs and Croats, and the Bosniak ethnicity evolved from those two groups.. just like the Serb and Croat ethnicities evolved from the original Slavic tribes. "Bosnjaci" literally translates to Bosnian, which is a regional affiliation term, and nowadays, with a Bosnian state, a national one as well. It is certainly not an ethnic term (just like American, Belgian, Canadian, Australian, British aren't either - all multiethnic states). Bosnia for the greater part of its history was part of Croatian and Serbian lands.. and as far as I know, it was only in recent history, after 1100 or 1200 AD that a Bosnian kingdom of its own came to being for a relatively short time.. as well, the majority of present Bosnia and Herzegovina were never part of any Bosnian entity until the 15th and 16th century.... And it was only when it was instituted into the Ottoman Empire, that you see the beginnings of the formation of a Bosniak ethnicity. Before that, you will find many documents showing that the people who lived in Bosnia regarded themselves as either Serbs or Croats. |
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Post by hellboy87 on Nov 15, 2009 20:22:04 GMT -5
from reading on the Bosniak article on wiki,it said the name came from a river for the kingdom,kingdom/state became an Ottoman province and its inhabitant were known generically as Bosniaks. and the article did quote this person that said that what can be said is that they were just Slavic..... I think the jury is still out on the ethnogenesis of the Bosniaks. so what about the Croatians and Serbians? How diiferent are they from each other in terms of language? I know one is Catholic and the other Orthodox......... if they are the same,then YUGOSLAVIAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D   ;D  ;D ;D |
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