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Post by rebelyell on Jan 3, 2009 20:40:26 GMT -5
Arbnesh is an Albanian village. Part of the region called Kraja or Ana e Malit or something like that. Some people from that village and some other nearby ones emmigrated to Zadar, Croatia in the early 1700's (hence the Arbanasi there).
I wonder if Slavs still use the word Arbanasi or just Siptari and Albanci.
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Post by bb681 on Jan 6, 2009 17:21:37 GMT -5
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Jan 8, 2009 3:34:37 GMT -5
No, theu don't use the word "Arbanas" any more. Yes, we DO use Arbanas and Arnaut words. Arbanas for Albanian and Arnaut for Albanian that converted to Islam. |
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 8, 2009 19:10:49 GMT -5
^ "the Mussulmanised Serbs known as Arnauts are the bitterest foes of the Serb"
Temperley.
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 8, 2009 20:26:09 GMT -5
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Post by shejtani on Jan 9, 2009 10:55:50 GMT -5
the English translation of Arnaut is Albanian ... Ask Turks if you don't trust us Novi  |
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 9, 2009 20:56:01 GMT -5
Ballisti (Toski), look up temperley.
shejtani, l trust temperley.
;D
Boys, time to rename these topymns lmao
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Post by jonleka on Jul 10, 2009 4:16:24 GMT -5
since when muslim serfags are called arnauts i thought they were the bosakuraci
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jul 10, 2009 4:34:09 GMT -5
Arnout is synonymous 'stubborn Albanian', first emerged in the ottoman arm where Albanian jenissaries would often be disobidient and not follow orders.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 13, 2009 15:39:54 GMT -5
No, theu don't use the word "Arbanas" any more. Other places in Serbia: Arnaut Polje, Arnautovic, Arbanasce, Albanci, Albanija (2 times). Croatia: Arbanija. Bosnia: Arnaucani, Arnauti (4 times), Arnautovici. Otehr names make me think to an Albanian presence in Montenegro, Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia (Lulic, Leke, Lekic, Bukuric, Bukurovic, Lumbarda, Katun, Katunska Nahija, Kantuske, Gruda, Klimenta, Berisic ...). There is no albanian presence there. All of those names you just listed are not known in bosnia, croatia, serbia, ect. They originate in Montenegro, just like all these place names are in or circled around montenegro. This is strictly a Montenegrin presence. Oh and by the way, Arbanas was a term used for an Albanian until the early 1900's, the term Malisori was used too. |
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Post by Bozur on Jul 13, 2009 18:34:26 GMT -5
something interesting about Arbanasi in Bulgaria from Wiki Arbanasi was a stronghold of Greek cultural affiliation for centuries. Greek language was official in the town, there was a Greek school and divine services were in Greek. This, however, did not reflect the local population's national self-consciousness, as Arbanasi residents took part in the organized armed struggle of Bulgarians that ultimately led to the Liberation of Bulgaria from Ottoman rule as a consequence of the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-78. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbanasi,_Bulgaria |
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Post by insomniac on Jul 13, 2009 20:34:59 GMT -5
I'v talked to this guy via email. He has a site about the history of Arbanasi in Croatia. His name is Tom. Anyways check the site out. Most of the Albanians that went to Croatia back then were from Shkodra. www.perovicgenealogy.org/ |
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Post by insomniac on Jul 13, 2009 20:44:20 GMT -5
Tom Perovic: www.perovicgenealogy.org/This site is for all the Arbanasi of Zadar, wherever they live. Let us remember with pride that we are Arbanasi, descendants of one of Europe’s older races the Illyrians. INTRODUCTION. A very small number of people in the world know of the existence of the settlement of “Arbanasi” (the Albanians) on Zadar’s Dalmatian coast. Even some of today’s Croatians of Albanian decent have lost sight of the Albanian origins. The original migration from 1726-1733 from the area of lake Shkoder ( Skadar, Scutari region.) From the area between Lake Shkoder (Lake Scutari ) and the Adriatic Sea. Mainly from the villages of Sestani, Livari and Briska. At the time of the migrations, these villages were virtually on the three-way border of Turkish controlled Albania, Montenegro (Crmnica area) and Venetian controlled Albania (the Pastrovici area and neighbouring Bay of Kotor or Boka Kotorska). REASON FOR MIGRATION The reason for flight have been stated as religious persecution as the villages were catholic Albanian. Pressure of taxes were placed on them for they we classed as “raja” right-less Christians of the Turkish Empire. Another reason not often mentioned is the Turkish-Persian war 1722-1736 in which Turkey conscripted many extra soldiers for their cause. In addition, at that time the plague had broken out in many places around this region of the Balkans. The Turks did not try to curb the plague for they believed it to be punishment for the” infidel. “ The Venetian government on the other hand took measures to control the plague by sanitary means. In that period of history, the Venetian’s controlled Zadar and Boka Kotorska ( Bay of Kotor area as well as the neighbouring Pastrovici region.) THE ARBANASI ESCAPE ROUTE 1726 From Sestani they came out on a goat’s trek to Pepic, thereby avoiding the Turkish border sentries at Kavuc above the village of Limnjani, along side the village of Klisic continuing toward Sozin(a), a mountainous ridge, a part of the Pastrovic mountain range above the sea leading to Krusevic. At that time, Crmnica was not under Turkish rule but Pastrovic was under the Venetian rule. A smaller Turkish border guard (sentry) was situated at Kavuce and Kufina where even today remnants of it remain in place. It is marked on a map from 1838. Whether there were border guards around Lake Schoder is not known, but if there were they were far from highland mountain ranges of Sestani along which the Albanian (Arbanasi) refugees went. A bigger Turkish border guard was situated at Kufin(a) on the border, but between Kavuce and Kufin the terrain was such that there were almost no sentries there. The terrain around Kavuce was such that the Albanian refugees had to pass through, thick Sutormania bush or forest. The group of refugees from Briska and Livari and the surrounding villages came most probably to Sestani and followed the same path as the Sestani refugees. Whereas they were not allowed to go to Sestani itself, they could climb the white steps (Albanian”Maje Shkallat”). From there they continued along a row of mountains across Kunore (Kunore is a crossing on the slopes of the Golik Mountains) by which the inhabitants of Sestani went by foot to the coastal areas. From there they were able to avoid the sentry post at Karuc (Karucama) and come out on the previously mentioned road to Sutorman and Sozina at Krusevic. From Krusevic the road was unhindered all the way to Kastel Lastua and later to Herceg Novi (Kastel Novi).  This passage was written by Professor Ismail Doda born in the village of Arbneshi in today’s Crna Gora (Montenegro) on the border with Albania. He came to the conclusion that the refugees took this route after talks with the local Sestani teachers, inhabitants and with history teachers with the Historical Institute of Crna Gora (Montenegro) in Podgorica (formerly Titograd). |
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Post by rusebg on Jul 15, 2009 2:42:22 GMT -5
Arbanasi in Bulgaria is a great place, I recommend it to anyone.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jul 15, 2009 17:46:27 GMT -5
Its interesting its called Arbanasi, since the Albanian population there was quickly replaced by a Slavic population under Greek liturgical rites.
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