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Post by Kubrat on Feb 24, 2009 19:13:52 GMT -5
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Post by Rhezus on Feb 26, 2009 10:21:38 GMT -5
About bulgar culture.. could you please answer me this: 1. Do we sing any folk songs of those ancient steppe-bulgars? 2. Do we use any national custumes in our folklore, which they brought from Asia? 3. Do we use their proto-bulgar speech, anywhere in our old books? 4. Do we have plenty of their articrafts in our museums? Or is this is a science fiction?!..
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 26, 2009 10:25:49 GMT -5
you have retained their name...that's got to count for something.
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Post by rusebg on Feb 26, 2009 17:36:27 GMT -5
Do we sing Thracian songs? Are you familiar with the battle hymn of Rhezus, for instance? I doubt you are.
I don't know what custumes means but we definitely have plenty of their costumes. Which, btw,are exactly the same as those in Italy where Bulgars have settled, as well as in other parts of the world.
There are Bulgar words left, including some inscriptions. On the other hand, can you show me an inscription in Thracian where it is mentioned they were Bulgarians?
Are you playing dumb?
Answer this quesion for yourself. This, of course, if you have the capacity to think.
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Post by rusebg on Feb 26, 2009 17:56:54 GMT -5
Êóáðàò, èìàì åäíà êíèãà íà Õðèñòî Ìëàäåíîâ, êàçâà ñå Çëàòíà Áúëãàðèÿ. Èìà è èñòèíè, íî íà ìåñòà òîé ïðîñòî ñå îëèâà. Ñ ëåêà ðúêà òâúðäè, ÷å Ëàî Äçú, Áóäà, Îäèí, Îðôåé, àìàçîíêèòå ñà áúëãàðè. Ñåãà, íåêà íå çàëèòàìå ÷àê òîëêîâà...
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Post by Rhezus on Feb 26, 2009 18:23:57 GMT -5
Most of our folklore have Thracian songs and no steppe bulgar. You can still here them sung in slavonic. Haha.. I strongly doubt it. Our national costumes are domestic, similar i.e. as those of Romania, Greece or any other European one. Never seen a national costume in our country like the bulgar one: Thracians had no written language. Most is coded and and more are coming out from the tousands of tombs.. And before any bulgar were around, they were already slavic speakers. More than 600 tons of articrafts in our museum are Thracian. Where is the 2500 year old bulgar culture - in the steppes?! I already answered that question, not only for myself..
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Post by Kubrat on Feb 27, 2009 0:18:41 GMT -5
how is that possible, it in itself makes no sense? do you have proof that not even one folklore song has an Bulgar in it? ... i didn't think so.
so you know nothing about the Bulgar language and their folklore, but apparently are their fashion consultant?
so they had no written language? if their language, written and spoken did not transcend time and space, how is it that they were more influential than the Bulgars? so the thracian's used Egyptian style hieroglyphics? the kinda that even greeks didn't know about that wouldn't allow them to trade and communicate with them? i see... Slavic speakers where? (i'm throwing this one in so you can focus replying to it since you don't know how to reply to the rest).
ummm. claiming the steel and concrete as thracian is a little far-fetched, even for you. What difference does it make where the Bulgar artifacts are, they exist, get over yourself.
if you can't properly defend your 'opinion' then bugger off, but don't post your crap here, this is a non-thracian topic. Read the article before posting your filth. This topic is related to the paper. have a nice day.
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Post by ioan on Feb 27, 2009 2:49:04 GMT -5
Sorry but this in the most part sounds like a fairytales... We are the teachers of the idusis? Seem like a bull. There might be some truth in this, the fact that Bactria might have been the land of the old bulgars but thats it. Everything else sounds like a "Macedonian" fairytale. The truth is: still it is not sure who the Bulgars were. Were they Turkic (most historics tend to think that), Persian, and to be exact Bactrian (Bogidar Dimitrov and maybe some other Bulgarian historians, I dont know of a foreign one). Some say they were mixed Turko-Persians. However the question is are we the bearers of their culture? First, if we have to be honest, we dont know alot about their culture before they settle in the Bolkans. We know about the Volga Bulgar culture from an arabian author, but I personally think that at the time he describes it, we are already totally different people: slavic speaking, christians... In the end we d never know what influence their culture had on our present culture, we know slavs had its impact and also the thracians did... we actually dont know who prevailed.. i think it was a child of all three, elements of all three, but i dont think we d ever know who predominated.... what i think is that nowadays our culture is firstly balcanic then eventually slavic... we "get" the serbs, the romanians, the greeks... it may be our common living here in those lands, but we do resemble each other... more than the iduses or the volga bulgars. in that respect i agree with rhezus... but was it aquired or the balcanians played biggest role culturally? i dont know...
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Post by Kubrat on Feb 27, 2009 3:16:13 GMT -5
i know a person from Tatarstan who admitted they are of Bulgar descent. and trust me that person resembles us more than most serbs that i know
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Post by ioan on Feb 27, 2009 3:34:44 GMT -5
hmmmmmmmmmmm I know a person from Uzbekistan (near Tatarstan) and he looked like a mixture between an asian and a white
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Post by Kubrat on Feb 27, 2009 3:37:04 GMT -5
tatarstan and chuvashtan praise themselves as direct descendants of the Volga Bulgars... the uzbeks do not.
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Post by ioan on Feb 27, 2009 4:49:52 GMT -5
but they are their neigbours. i doubt they differ that much
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Post by jerryspringer on Feb 27, 2009 4:59:25 GMT -5
i know a person from Tatarstan who admitted they are of Bulgar descent. and trust me that person resembles us more than most serbs that i know Why is it that when I say the same, I am being accused of being insultive?
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Post by rusebg on Feb 27, 2009 7:15:38 GMT -5
Tatarstan is comprised of two main ethnicities - Bulgars and Tatars. Here is a picture of their government: They look quite European, don't they?
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Post by jerryspringer on Feb 27, 2009 7:21:18 GMT -5
Apart from the lady in red, yes.
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Post by rusebg on Feb 27, 2009 7:22:03 GMT -5
True
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Post by jerryspringer on Feb 27, 2009 7:31:07 GMT -5
However....if we are to trust Wiki....
We can't assume that the photo you showed us show only the two ethnic groups mentioned by you. I'm willing to bet that most of the dudes there are either Russian or at least half-Russian.
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Post by rusebg on Feb 27, 2009 7:45:17 GMT -5
Anittas, this is Russian propaganda. The number of Bulgars is included into the one of Tatars. This republic was forcefully tatarized by the Russians and anyone who considered themselves Bulgarian was listed as tatar. In fact, the majority of the population wanted the name of Bulgaristan but it was prohibited by Soviet Russia.
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Post by Rhezus on Feb 27, 2009 12:15:17 GMT -5
Because all this is written with the purpose - to give "right perception" about the "unknown".. Fictious nonsences, but good food for some of our countrymen. Ioan, have you noticed the pic with the text: "Botushi ot Volzka Bulgaria"? Never seen such boots in any of our national costumes?! They are just another nice example, revealing the turkic origin. Another very good example is the Bulgar calendar, where all is written with turkic words. Do you think the rest of the World is so blinded and don't pay attention to all the sings?!.. But still... some Bulgarian historians try to hide the true identiy by finding new "theories", like now Bozidar Domitrov goes for the"Bactrian" one. The funny thing here is that origin of all nation of our small Wolrd is very well known, but just for steppe bulgars is still a mystery.. And mystery for who?!.. This mystery applies for no other than who bear the name Bulgarians. Hmmmmn, this must be a transparent warning signal... ruseOn that pic we see two very European faces (probably Russians). The rest is mixed, different mixes...
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Post by rusebg on Feb 27, 2009 16:21:02 GMT -5
Rhezus, will you tell me which are the exact faces that are mixed?
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