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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 16, 2009 2:17:25 GMT -5
"I mean western anti-serb propaganda is more effective among serbs rather than foreigners?"
Pyrro, its my main reason why l don't partake in forums like stormfront. Why do we serbs have to look up to these freaken Germanics. Why do we have to keep proving to these low lifes that serbs are part of their Nazi group. If the freakin Nazis won then kosovo serbs and other southern serbs would had been wrongly placed in Bulgaria. Can't they see what the Germanics are doing to their nation for funks sake!.
Sorry people, off-topic reply.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 16, 2009 7:30:47 GMT -5
Prove you wrong about what? You proove me wrong. You're just spinning shit. Only Fazlinho attempted to address how a small minority of slavs imposed their language on a much larger populace by quoting wikipedia. He also contradicted himself since he initially referred to how a group of masters could impose their language & then turned to something that said slavs were not the masters but a bunch of farmers. I already said why I think this is BS. Pyross also had a go by saying that slavic is more "a - fresh," "b - vivid" & "c -accurate." LOL. Seriously Pyross you expect me to work with that? & I thought Greeks also tend to go with migration theory? People tend to forget that slavs actually penetrated further than just the current slavic speakers. They went right into Greece & Albania & this is where I might expect that 20-30% trace to be left as identified by Igenea.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 16, 2009 7:34:08 GMT -5
"Only a mountain population could escape slavicisation. And here we are"
Honestly shejtani, do you think that its possible even when the mountains themselves have been named by slavs. Think about it logically, people go up the mountains then when the time is right come down and lay claim to supposedly lost territory.
Montenegrins are a mountain population, did they escape slavisication?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 16, 2009 11:59:34 GMT -5
My mum used to tell me that serbs are gods gifts to others but to our own we are azz-hol*s!. so Yes, to assimilate those people who had a superior civilisation, Slavs had to be numerous. But this isn't in contradiction with the fact that many locals were assimilated by Serbs. Only a mountain population could escape slavicisation. And here we are ;D the arvanitovlahs latin ass lickers and papagajas had a superior civilazation? you gotta be dreaming. as to the fact that albos didnt manage to slavicize themselves is due to their genetic incompetence to get better.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 16, 2009 12:13:19 GMT -5
Pyross also had a go by saying that slavic is more "a - fresh," "b - vivid" & "c -accurate." LOL. Seriously Pyross you expect me to work with that? & I thought Greeks also tend to go with migration theory? People tend to forget that slavs actually penetrated further than just the current slavic speakers. They went right into Greece & Albania & this is where I might expect that 20-30% trace to be left as identified by Igenea. Arsenije bro, i dint take anyones part in your personal debate with srbobran. The fact that Serb is one of the most complex slavic languages is a strong sign that the original percentage of slavs was big enough. I never said anything contrary to that. BUT, even if the slavs were 99.99% of the population slavic lang would have a hard time surviving if it was not: more a) fresh b) vivid c) accurate than vlah-latin/greek p.s. i believe, when the Serbs/Slavs came, the gypsies were already there speaking latin (rom)anian. Maybe the word "Da" of the romanians should say smth.
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Post by srbobran on Aug 16, 2009 12:37:58 GMT -5
My God man, quit pusyfooting around it and just do it already. Go through my last post and actually address them and prove me wrong. And I did address how a small group of Slavs could assimilate much larger groups, I provided numerous other examples in history where the exact same thing occurred. Also, I quoted Coon in response to the Dinarics in Slovakia.
The Serboi in the Kurgan were an Iranic people. According to your map, they are Dinarics. If the White Serbs are also Dinaric, then that would mean the Serboi didn't assimilate enough Slavs (keeping in mind that Coon also states that the "Slavic" type is overwhelmingly Neo-Danubian) to change their racial composition. Thus, what you're arguing is that the Serboi were a Slavic speaking, ethnically Iranic group of people that remained ethnically Iranic even as they assumed control over what is now Serbia?
But no honestly, two times you've avoiding replying to the points I've made (all which essentially proved your little "theory" false). Just respond to points man, stop making excuses(its too scattered, its too childish...wtf) If my points were lacking organization and were just plain stupid then you should have absolutely no problem refuting them. Come on, teach me the error of my ways, I'm genuinely interested.
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Post by gavrilo on Aug 16, 2009 14:07:38 GMT -5
What is this igenea? (Sorry again).
Also, what is stormfront? Germans? Wtf I am confused.
Anyway, I consider myself closer to bulgarian than german that's for sure! And I'm from vojvodina! I understand there are influences from germanic peoples on us, but I think the common slavic element is stronger.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Aug 16, 2009 14:36:13 GMT -5
What is this igenea? (Sorry again). Also, what is stormfront? Germans? Wtf I am confused. Anyway, I consider myself closer to bulgarian than german that's for sure! And I'm from vojvodina! I understand there are influences from germanic peoples on us, but I think the common slavic element is stronger. Stormfront je white power forum. www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=43Igenea je agencija za genetiku. www.igenea.com/
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Post by gavrilo on Aug 16, 2009 14:56:25 GMT -5
Hvala
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Post by fazlinho on Aug 16, 2009 18:47:07 GMT -5
As master I meant someone who is more powerful than others. And that's what Slavs were.
Quite frankly this means nothing at all, the fact that a language is "complex" is a very subjective statement and doesn't mean anything at all. To you Serbian seems much complicated although to me probably Greek would seem so.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 16, 2009 19:34:15 GMT -5
"Maybe the word "Da" of the romanians should say smth."
Pyrro, l have a part romanian uncle, he told me of the 'Da' (yes) and 'slab' (weak) in their lexicon.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 17, 2009 4:16:50 GMT -5
Novi, talking about slabo, anyone heard of the classic masterpiece "Slabo Day" by Peter Greene? I mean what does he mean? the song is instrumental anyway.
sorry for the off-topic.
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Post by ioan on Aug 17, 2009 14:08:33 GMT -5
Also Novi I don't think south east Torlak Serbs are Bulgarians. I think they are slavs that are more similar to Bulgarians but who identified for the most part as Serbs. I like you because you care about what really happened in our region and dont believe in the falsifications Novi tries to push onto the other Serbs. If there were more Serbs like you, the relations between Bulgarians and Serbians would ve been much much better, as they have to be, because we are very very closely related.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 17, 2009 14:42:11 GMT -5
who was the first here (serb or bulgarian) who started the hatred party between Serbs and Bulgarians?
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Post by coke&broke on Aug 17, 2009 15:04:24 GMT -5
who was the first here (serb or bulgarian) who started the hatred party between Serbs and Bulgarians? It was Novi the Torlak Albano-Bulgar.
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Post by rusebg on Aug 17, 2009 15:40:21 GMT -5
It is funny you are asking this because it was you, and you are neither Serb, nor Bulgarian.
Novi, to make it easier for you not to show such an extremely short knowledge, about a quarter of the words in Romanian have a Bulgarian origin. You are not going to ask me how these two words sound in Bulgarian, are you?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 17, 2009 19:09:56 GMT -5
^ Yes everything is Bulgar, even our creator
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Post by ljubotan on Aug 18, 2009 17:54:42 GMT -5
I do think that Southern Serbs (including those in Northwest Macedonia identifying as Serbs) get shafted all the time. I'd like to add that most the the medieval Serb traditions are still existant in us today. Not to mention we don't marry our enemies, while many of our brothers in other former Yug republics do. Trust me, if Croatia was an Orthodox country all the Krajina Serbs that settled there in the 16th century would have identified as Croats today.
If Vuk Karadzic was from Vranje the official Serb language would have sounded like 'Torlak'. How many Serbians and Serbs have even been to Kosovo, Macedonia or even Southern Serbia? Find an old Serb from Prizren who didn't come from Montenegro 100yrs ago, rather was from there prior to the Balkan wars and see how they speak. Surely if you wouldn't like his speech then you could never claim Prizren as Serbian right? Look on a church map of Serbia and see where all the churches/monasteries are located, not Republika Srpska! You are lucky that there are still Serbs in Strpce, Vranje and NW Macedonia; otherwise you'd have no right to the slogan 'Kosovo je Srbija'. These people you guys make fun of the way they speak are the ones that live in agony daily, yet they still manage to stay in Kosovo.
Albanians have 2 major dialects and 3 different religions yet they are very united and do not divide amongest themselves. While we Serbs divide and make fun of one another, trying to show off whose a a 'true and better' Serb.
That's why we shouldn't blame any of our neighbors but rather ourselves first for never be united properly.
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Post by srbobran on Aug 18, 2009 20:28:44 GMT -5
Here, here.
Also, Arsenije, I'm waiting for your response.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 19, 2009 7:48:04 GMT -5
^ I will address your convoluted drivel when I can be arsed sifting through trying to make sense of it in between the Mr I'm a bigger Serb than you stuff.
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