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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jan 23, 2010 5:02:08 GMT -5
So you think u know better than the Oxford Dictionary now LOL
Well I don't know she is for sure. I know there are rumours that she may have been. She may also have been Turkish Alevi, there are more Alevi Turks than there are Kurds. I know a huge amount about Alevism, There rituals, prayers, leaders, places of worship, family structures, past predujice against them, etc etc etc.....
Although Hb u may think u know me, you know nothing about me, or the Type of person i Am Johan, btw it isnt a good idea to lean against a white wall when taking a picture it will only make u look darker.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jan 23, 2010 8:20:14 GMT -5
No,the lighting makes me look darker.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jan 23, 2010 10:23:35 GMT -5
yea yea... lol
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jan 23, 2010 16:42:33 GMT -5
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Post by chalkedon on Apr 9, 2010 5:46:32 GMT -5
I have seen news footage of the riots in Kyrgyzstan. I must say every face I see there are completely asian. look at Bakiev for example. The amount of ppl that look like this in Turkey is almost non-existant. I wonder when you guys come across ppl like this...how do you react ?
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Apr 9, 2010 5:52:45 GMT -5
Actually i come across people like this in Turkey once in a while, and they speak fluent Turkish just like the other Turks here. Theres parts f Turkey where people look more central asian than others. No one reacts. Its totally normal and we are aware they have more Turks genes than others.
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Post by chalkedon on Apr 9, 2010 6:20:44 GMT -5
I was just curious. When i meant by reaction i meant it as if someone was looking in a time machine many many many years ago. Its pretty neat to see unchanged turks over time. I dont know how much the russians mixed with them, but it doesnt seem like a lot.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Apr 9, 2010 6:26:38 GMT -5
The interesting part is most of them have green sparkly eyes, just as oguz Turks were described to have and they are almond shaped. high cheekbones. etc...
I think they look pretty cool, but my dad's 2 sisters look like that too. My grandad was also quite central asian looking too.
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Post by chalkedon on Apr 9, 2010 6:34:37 GMT -5
yes, they do have a different look in comparison to other asian ppl. Its more unique i think.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Apr 9, 2010 6:47:29 GMT -5
At the end of the day, I don't believe there is a Turk look anymore than there is an English look.
We are just a hue variety of people with the same culture, and beliefs.
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Post by chalkedon on Apr 9, 2010 6:51:23 GMT -5
thats how it is for most ppl today. So i agree with you there.
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 9, 2010 15:53:59 GMT -5
Turkics look Northeast Asian.
Just like Indo-Europeans look European.But now you have Middle Eastern looking ones(Kurds,Persians,Armenians) and Indian looking ones(Sinhalese,Punjabis,Marathis,Bengalis)
Turkics in Central Asia that have mixed a lot are the Turkmens and Uzbeks.They look very mixed.And there is no such thing that most of them have green f*cking eyes.
Hell! The Azeris and Turkish speakers of Anatolia did NOT even consider themselves Turkic until the early of last century.They were mostly Ottomanized Anatolians.
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Post by thracian08 on Apr 9, 2010 17:19:24 GMT -5
Chalk, you have to also remember Oguz Turks are white in appearance, and do not look like the guy in the picture.
Turks, Azeris, and Turkmenistan Turks are all of the Oguz tribe.
So comparing Kirgizisthan to Oguz Turks isn't the same.
The only person I've seen that resembles that man is Kirim Tatars who look Japanese who escaped from Crimea.
HB, you are soooo wrong - I have Uzbek friends, and they have green eyes. You act as if only Europeans have colored eyes! You are soooo incorrect, you sound so funny!
Also, the only Indian looking Turks are the gypsiess!!
Not True, have you heard of Yunus Emre?? He is a Turkish poet that wrote in Turkish.
Yunus Emre (1240–1321) was a Turkish poet and Sufi mystic. He has exercised immense influence on Turkish literature, from his own day until the present. Because Yunus Emre is, after Ahmet Yesevi and Sultan Veled, one of the first known Turkish poets to have composed works in the spoken Turkish of his own age and region rather than in Persian or Arabic, his diction remains very close to the popular speech of his contemporaries in Central and Western Anatolia. This is also the language of a number of anonymous folk-poets, folk-songs, fairy tales, riddles (tekerlemeler), and proverbs.
Have you heard of Dede Korkut?
Dede Korkut is a heroic dastan (legend), also known as Oghuz-nameh among the Oghuz Turk people, which starts out in Central Asia, continues in Anatolia and Iran, and centers most of its action in the Azerbaijani Caucasus. According to Barthold, "it is not possible to surmise that this dastan could have been written anywhere but in the Caucasus".
For the Turkic peoples, especially people who identify themselves as Oghuz, it is the principal repository of ethnic identity, history, customs and the value systems of the Turkic peoples throughout history. It commemorates struggles for freedom at a time when the Oghuz Turks were a herding people, although "it is clear that the stories were put into their present form at a time when the Turks of Oghuz descent no longer thought of themselves as Oghuz." Now it is known that the term 'Oghuz' was gradually supplanted among the Turks themselves as Turkmen, 'Turcoman', from the mid tenth century on, a process which was completed by the beginning of the thirteenth century. The Turcomans were those Turks, mostly but not exclusively Oghuz, who had embraced Islam and begun to lead a more sedentary life than their forefathers. In the fourteenth century, a federation of Oghuz, or, as they were by this time termed, Turcoman tribesmen, who called themselves Ak-koyunlu established a dynasty that ruled eastern Turkey, Azerbaijan, Iraq and western Iran. But even before that at least one of the stories (Chapter 8) of the Dede Korkut epic existed in writing, at the beginning of the fourteenth century, from an unpublished Arabic history, Dawadari's Durar al-Tijan, written in Egypt some time between 1309 and 1340.
Turks not considering themselves Turks until the 1900s, you are such an idiot!
Oghuz Turkish literature includes the famous Book of Dede Korkut which was UNESCO's 2000 literacy work of the year, as well as the Oguznama and Köroðlu epics which are part of the literary history of Azerbaijanis, Turks of Turkey and Turkmens. The modern and classical literature of Azerbaijan, Turkey and Central Asia are also considered Oghuz literature, since it was produced by their descendants.
The Book of Dede Korkut is an invaluable collection of epics and stories, bearing witness to the language, the way of life, religions, traditions and social norms of the Oghuz Turks in Azerbaijan, Turkey and Central Asia.
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 9, 2010 18:04:39 GMT -5
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Post by thracian08 on Apr 9, 2010 18:13:36 GMT -5
What does MIddle Eastern mean? It's a regional term, doesn't mean ethnicity. Turks, Kurds and Iranians, and Arabs all have different facial features from one another.
By white, I mean not asian looking if you want me to be clear.
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 9, 2010 18:29:21 GMT -5
Most Turks,Kurds and Iranians look the same!
White means not Asian looking? So I guess an indigenous Sub-Saharan African is white by your definition.LOL!
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Post by Kastorianos on Apr 9, 2010 18:49:06 GMT -5
Turks have indeed their very "own" look. There are faces...where I say...thats 100% turkish. But very many Turks do look middle eastern or kurdish...hardly anyone of them looks really turkic today. The kurdish and middle eastern (arab) look comes from intermixtures with these peoples...a Turk (an elite Turk not like the ones we have here) told me once that there are hardly any Turks who do not have at least some more or less distant kurdish ancestry.
The typical "Turkish" look that is neither kurdish nor arab must be (native) anatolian look...this explains also why there are pretty many Greeks from Pontos and Asia Minor generally who look like "Turks" (I dont mean the med. European looking Turks) while in fact they do just look Anatolian with who the Greeks did intermix of course much earlier than the Turks.
The Oghuz Turks and the Turks look alike...The oghuz are just still more eastern Anatolian/Kurdish than the average Turk. But if you take a Turk from the East...and not central or western turkey...you will hardly recognize any difference.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Apr 10, 2010 8:38:15 GMT -5
New History Of Five Dynasties said that Kirghiz possessed lighter skin, red hair, green eyes and taller height, and that those Kirghiz with black hair must be the descendants of Li Ling.
New history of the five dynasties : It was written by the Song Dynasty official Ouyang Xiu and completed in 1053. It is one of the official Twenty-Four Histories of China.
STFU hellboy
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Apr 10, 2010 8:40:27 GMT -5
Early Chinese historical accounts did record the difference in the physique of peoples in Chinese Turkistan and beyond. Earlier records said the people to the west of the ancient Gaochang Statelet (Turpan) possessed the features of high nose bridge and deep socket eyes. Records also stated that the people beyond the Pamir Mountains possessed high nose bridge and hairy skins. Later accounts mentioned the existence of 'blue-appled' people in southern Chinese Turkistan. (Chinese character for 'blue', namely, 'bi', could also mean 'dark green'.)
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Apr 10, 2010 8:40:48 GMT -5
in northwestern Siberia, Kirghiz people, descendants of Jiankun Statelet located to the northwest of Siberia, were recorded to be a group of people who had 'green eyes'. www.imperialchina.org/Huns.html#physique
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