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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 21, 2008 20:46:40 GMT -5
Serbian Colony in Thessalonica Personal Names and Ethnic Markers in Registers (1896-1945) Key words: Serbs in Thessalonica, baptism, name and family name, religious conversion, Mace- donian influence The church of Saint Sava is located at center of Thessalonica; from 1896, the church served as a parish church for Serbian population. The church Register from 1896-1945 is used in this paper. The Serbs from Thessalonica were mostly craftsmen, bankers and traders. All engaged in business that required the knowledge of Greek language, but still had a need for Serbian parish and church services in Serbian language. And although Serbian, the parish was also open to other ethnic groups. For example, Russians used its services for baptism, and there are data indi- cating that a certain proportion of Jews, Muslims, Protestant and Catholics got con- verted in the church, confirming its missionary dimension. These individuals kept their first names even after the conversions. The Serbs named their children in Ser- bian fashion, not Greek. However, the Serbs from Thessalonica who came to ex- Yugoslav republic of Macedonia, after WW II, encountered a different situation. Macedonian influence is evident in their first and last names. For instance, name Andjelija becomes Anga, and last name Filipovic becomes Filipovski. The re- spected parents were Serbs. There is only one case where an adopted Greek, raised by Serbs in Thessalonica, had changed his first and last name in Macedonian fash- ion. The phenomenon assumes preservation of Serbian names in ethnically totally different environment, such as Greece, and the absence of the same in ethnically similar environment such as Macedonia. www.etno-institut.co.yu/GEI/GEI_LIV/goca.pdf.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 21, 2008 20:48:45 GMT -5
Serbian name>FYROMian variant Andjelija > Anga Vasiliye > Vasko Arseniye > Arsen Filipovic > Filipovski Dyurovic > Gyurovski
The goverment of Communist FYROM gave them those names and surnames in order to turn those Serbs into Pseudomacedonians.That is exactly the same as the process of Pseudomacedonization of names and surnames of Serbian inhabitants from the ares of Tetovo, Skopska Crna Gora, Kumanovo.
Bulgarians of post-1944 FYROM were not the only ethnic element which was Pseudomacedonized........................
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 22, 2008 2:13:52 GMT -5
So i guess the Greeks must bare in mind, that besides the "bad various hostile and barbarian(!!) northern tribes that want our makedonia", we have done our part in expelling a large number of Serbs living in Thesaloniki. Serbs who have saved our arse or just helped in numerous occasions, 1821, 1912-13, etc....
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 22, 2008 6:05:31 GMT -5
Greeks forced Serbs to change and Hellenize names??? I thought Averoff, Evert, Kostis Moschoff and many many Greek PM's and parliamentarians.... were never touched from this post.. Since Greeks "forced" those "pure" Slavs living in Greece changing their names....... why the elected a guy named Averoff as a PM? Wasnt his last name that bad for his carreer? Also what can we say about Greek-American who were forced to make it from Hristos Aggelou to Chris Angel in order to survive in the multiethnic and open and democratic... America? Why I never hear someone blaiming Americans for something like that? Pyrros... like it or not... Macedonia and the port of Thessaloniki was always on the top of the real estate in the Balkan history. With that port you can supply 3-4 countries. Dont you find it weird that nobody except the Greeks, according to you, wanted it after the collapse of Ottoman Empire? For one more time. I like Serbs too like you do (even if they "forgot" that brotherhood thing and recongised Fyrom as "Macedonia" and I find it as a personal insult to the Macedonians of Greece).... I like Bulgarians a lot today.... I even like Albanians of Greece........ but history is history. I dont let my personal feelings distort the past events.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 22, 2008 18:42:02 GMT -5
"So i guess the Greeks must bare in mind, that besides the "bad various hostile and barbarian(!!) northern tribes that want our makedonia", we have done our part in expelling a large number of Serbs living in Thesaloniki. Serbs who have saved our arse or just helped in numerous occasions, 1821, 1912-13, etc...." Don't worry about it Pyrro hehe....l'm just posting this so Benkovski can realise a few things
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 23, 2008 7:27:26 GMT -5
"Greeks forced Serbs to change and Hellenize names???"
Noway basil, basically the above is saying how the vardarians forced the serbs who came from Thessalonica to change their names, by force, to a vardarian fashion.
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 23, 2008 17:14:13 GMT -5
ok
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Post by Toskaliku on Jun 23, 2008 17:20:22 GMT -5
Its not good for your career as an entertainer if people have trouble pronouncing your name. Half of Hollywood acters use made up names. Chris Angel is simple and sticks with you... They do this on their own or according to their managers.,
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 24, 2008 4:31:55 GMT -5
Basil, it is impossible for a Serb to NOT call a fyromian makedonian. When we tell them the story they agree with the Greek positions, but it is just impossible for them to make the distinction. + for legal reasons they HAD to acknowledge FYROM with its constitutional name, because refusing to do so would have many other implications. In fact, Serbia is the only country in the world that should have been entitled to acknowledge FYROM with this (unacceptable) name.
Whole balkan stability had an assumption: Yugoslavia. This assumption no longer holds.
We on the other hand, provided with fuel, water, foods,land those beasts that went mad to kill the life of innocent people in Bosnia, Krajina and Kosovo.
So i guess we are even...
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 24, 2008 6:27:58 GMT -5
"even if they "forgot" that brotherhood thing and recongised Fyrom as "Macedonia" and I find it as a personal insult to the Macedonians of Greece"
Me personally Basil that would be a dark day like the UDI of those criminals in Kosovo and Metohia.
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Post by rusebg on Jun 24, 2008 15:12:15 GMT -5
Afto Tessaloniki mou, panda sti kardia mou
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 24, 2008 16:04:12 GMT -5
lol lol lol
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Post by terroreign on Jun 25, 2008 0:00:35 GMT -5
Ruse no greek in this thread, Only english or Macedonian. Thanks.
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Post by rusebg on Jun 25, 2008 0:49:21 GMT -5
Terro, please don't give me advices how to post. Thank you too.
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Post by terroreign on Jun 25, 2008 1:06:27 GMT -5
*advice on how to post.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 25, 2008 5:49:58 GMT -5
Ruse no greek in this thread, Only english or Macedonian. Thanks. That was not precisely greek, it was ... hmmmm ... eee ... Epirotan Dialect!!!
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Post by rusebg on Jun 25, 2008 16:13:33 GMT -5
It comes from a Greek song, Pyrros. If the lyrics are wrong, it is not my fault.
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