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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 7, 2009 19:51:27 GMT -5
Of course I can't "prove" you're dancing to a different tune as it's highly subjective so it's not worth engaging in that type of an argument but I maintain the opinion.
I haven't read Dusan's Code so I'll take your word for it, but I do have a hard copy of the Second Decani Charter which is somewhat consistent with what you have written in the above passage in particular so I have no problem with it.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 7, 2009 20:21:10 GMT -5
Since this thread is about Bulgarians in Kosovo, this does not belong on the Maco-Forum.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 8, 2009 2:23:24 GMT -5
Arsenije, well said man... Those guys could go on writing pages of supposedly "proven" sentences and then suddenly ask you e.g. to prove that you like oranges over apples... Well such sentences are not subject to proof. They are axioms by default. Arsenije believes that Digedon dances to a different tune, and this is an axiom. It is true by definition and need no proof.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 9, 2009 23:40:38 GMT -5
Hey guys ... we argumented, but you didn't ... maybe because we have strong arguments (?). ps: I posted a link where you can read the Dusan's Code ... I wonder if you read our posts ... Well I think Srbobran adressed Donnies posts very well. Particularly considering his posts contain a lot of ambiguity/innuendo. I don't disagree with Donnies last post. As for your post on this page, I'm not exactly sure where you are leading. I don't really agree with what you say that "Serbs saw Albanian's and Vlachs as very similar people." Very similar in which way? Are you trying to say Vlachs are Albanians? Romanized Illyrians or something? In charters Vlachs and Albanians were distinguished from one another where they resided in close proximity so it can't strictly be the case. The Vlachs seem to be a bit of a mystery that I haven't seen addressed too well. I tend to go with them being Romanized Illyrians though in that case it's interesting how they alo distinctly diverge with Albanians.
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Post by thracian08 on Jul 13, 2009 15:49:30 GMT -5
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Post by rusebg on Jul 14, 2009 6:03:31 GMT -5
Avars were not Turks. They had Turkic admixture which is no way equal to Turkish. You Turks should start making the difference and stop claiming half the planet.
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Post by chalkedon on Jul 14, 2009 8:26:34 GMT -5
^ Good Point Ruse ! Meanwhile...I found Albania ! ;D
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jul 15, 2009 1:57:12 GMT -5
The -ushi,-usho suffix has to be of italian-latin origin, as diminutive forms. In albanian passed as -ushi, in greek as -usi(s), -uso(s).They're very common suffixes in Greece, in places with past italian influence Chios(Pyrgousis,Georgousis etc), Crete(Manousos, Giannousos etc). In surnames is recorded in places and time that had never had albanian influence, like Pontos, Demetrios Alpousis(13th ce.) in Trapezous, Laggousis(1264) Kephalonia, Michael Harakousis(1407),Cyprus, etc etc { Prosopographisches Lexikon der Palaiologenzeit}. But I suppose this influence in that area,Kosovo, was due to the albanian language, as carrier of latinisms. The Latin diminutive form is ila/ula. Like Calig-ula (little boots), Agrippin-ila (Agrippina the younger). The Last Roman Emperor in the west was called Rumulus Augustulus (Little Rome, Little Augustus).
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Post by thracian08 on Jul 15, 2009 15:21:25 GMT -5
I can claim what I want you can claim what you want.
Avars are Turkic people. Turkic people are one! There is no difference, we all speak different dialects of Turkish !!
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Post by thracian08 on Jul 15, 2009 15:31:59 GMT -5
The Turkic peoples are Eurasian peoples residing in northern, central and western Eurasia, and who speak languages belonging to the Turkic language family.
They share, to varying degrees, certain cultural traits and historical backgrounds. The term Turkic represents a broad ethno-linguistic group of people including existing societies such as the Azerbaijani, Kazakhs, Tatar, Kyrgyz, Turkish people, Turkmen, Uyghur, Uzbeks, Hazara, and as well as past civilizations such as the Huns, Bulgars, Kumans, Avars, Seljuks, Khazars, Ottomans, Mamluks, Timurids, and possibly the Xiongnu.
Many of the Turkic peoples have their homelands in Central Asia, where the Turkic peoples originated from, but since then Turkic languages have spread, through migrations and conquests, to other locations including present-day Turkey.
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Post by rusebg on Jul 15, 2009 15:40:40 GMT -5
Plus eskimos, native americans, evenks, chukcha and many others througout Asia.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 15, 2009 21:21:58 GMT -5
Sorry Ruse, l honestly didn't want to reply in this topic because there is some good flow of discussions within the last 3 pages, but thracian is right 100%, the avars like the gaguaz are Turkic peoples.
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Post by rusebg on Jul 16, 2009 3:22:06 GMT -5
Novi please...don't make connections between Avars and Gagauz.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 16, 2009 8:53:16 GMT -5
^ So they arn't related Turkic groups? ?
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Post by thracian08 on Jul 16, 2009 19:16:52 GMT -5
Ruse, we don't know as far as eskimos, or native americans though.
One Native American group in the US has the same words as Turkish - the Navajo tribe. Its unbelievable how many words are common.
Avars are a Turkic tribe.
That's why whenever I meet people from Balkans - a lot of people look like Turkish people.
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Post by srbobran on Jul 16, 2009 19:47:38 GMT -5
Or my Turks look like us, not the other way around, considering how many millions upon millions were deported or willingly emigrated to Turkey to become "Turks".
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 17, 2009 9:48:14 GMT -5
Or my Turks look like us, not the other way around, considering how many millions upon millions were deported or willingly emigrated to Turkey to become "Turks". Exactly, Also lets remember the settlement of Celtics in todays Turkey in the area named "Galata" (from Galates which (in Greek) means Goulouix (the tribe of Ovelix/Asterix)). "Galata Serai" football club takes the name from that Galata region.
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Post by shejtani on Jul 17, 2009 11:50:56 GMT -5
Turks look, like us, we don't look like Turks !
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 18, 2009 4:16:53 GMT -5
Or my Turks look like us, not the other way around, considering how many millions upon millions were deported or willingly emigrated to Turkey to become "Turks". Exactly, Also lets remember the settlement of Celtics in todays Turkey in the area named "Galata" (from Galates which (in Greek) means Goulouix (the tribe of Ovelix/Asterix)). "Galata Serai" football club takes the name from that Galata region. " Galata" place name in Polis is in the genitive, tou Galata, a local important citizen....galatas the milk seller..... Galatia, where Gauls were established is in Agkyra area.... The -ushi,-usho suffix has to be of italian-latin origin, as diminutive forms. In albanian passed as -ushi, in greek as -usi(s), -uso(s).They're very common suffixes in Greece, in places with past italian influence Chios(Pyrgousis,Georgousis etc), Crete(Manousos, Giannousos etc). In surnames is recorded in places and time that had never had albanian influence, like Pontos, Demetrios Alpousis(13th ce.) in Trapezous, Laggousis(1264) Kephalonia, Michael Harakousis(1407),Cyprus, etc etc { Prosopographisches Lexikon der Palaiologenzeit}. But I suppose this influence in that area,Kosovo, was due to the albanian language, as carrier of latinisms. The Latin diminutive form is ila/ula. Like Calig-ula (little boots), Agrippin-ila (Agrippina the younger). The Last Roman Emperor in the west was called Rumulus Augustulus (Little Rome, Little Augustus). - ousi suffix is very used by Tsakones, you know the doric speaking Moraites, as diminutive of nouns, and secondarily for surnames. The same in the islands. I don't think Latin and Italian had only one diminutive suffix...-ucla,-ella(lat), -uzzi,-uzzo, -ezzo, -ini, -etto etc etc.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 18, 2009 4:43:03 GMT -5
Ok, thx patrine for clearing this. My point is that apart from balkan blood, todays turks have a lot of other european blood, thats why they look so white in comparison to their long lost brothers from china!
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