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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 8, 2010 20:06:36 GMT -5
Dolno Srpci is situated in the southern region of the Republic of Macedonia. It has a population of about 1433 inhabitants. The village belongs to the Bitola administrative division. Several major tourist attractions are located outside the village surroundings, like Bitola, 16 km, Prilep, 24 km, Ohrid, 47 km, Prespa National Park, 50 km. There are two churches in the village: Sveti Todor (St Todor) and Arhangel Mihail (Michael the Archangel). The village celebrates the special name days of Petrovden (St. Peters day) and Sveti Todor. On these days, especially on Petrovden, TELEVIZIJA SKOPJE (Television Skopje) travel from the country's capital to film footage of popular guest singers such as Tushe (Blagojche Stojanovski), Tatijana Lazerevska, Irena Spasovska and other well known Macedonian singers like Vojo Stojanovski. Dolno Srpci is also known to sell its wheat and milk to its city's popular company, IDEAL-SIPKA, BITOLA. Tobacco farming is also practiced in the village and very high quality tobacco is exported to other countries. A large number of people born in this village live in the Macedonian Diaspora around the world. The year 2009 saw the making of a song dedicated to the village called 'Dolno Srpci, Selo Nase'. Music by Ferus Mustafov and Goce Stoilkov and sang by Blagojche Stojanovski, Tushe. The song was written and composed by Stefce Grujovski. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolno_Srpci
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 8, 2010 20:08:03 GMT -5
Lets see what excuses l will get ;D
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Post by ivo on Feb 9, 2010 1:23:08 GMT -5
1. No one is disputing that there were some Serb settlements in Macedonia, the point is that in comparison to the Bulgarian ones, the Serb settlements were negligible.
2. A toponym only tells us that that particular geographic area was continuously populated, but not necessarily by the same population. And we can find many examples of this throughout history, and even at present.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 9, 2010 1:35:24 GMT -5
^ Nope, the serbs settle in vardar way before the bulgars arrive with an empire. So the town is outside of your failed theory of NW vardar.
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Post by ioan on Feb 9, 2010 2:13:46 GMT -5
you alone posted a map showing the insignificant serb settlement in fyrom. this could be a place where some serbs settled. it doesnt mean they stayed or werent assimilated by the bulgarians.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 9, 2010 2:31:34 GMT -5
^ why don't you and asen repost this map?
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Post by ivo on Feb 9, 2010 8:28:31 GMT -5
This is the map that Novi originally posted. Now, we know that the Serbs of ‘Gordoservon’ in Anatolia (present day Turkey) numbered about 30,000. Given the concentration of this map, it’s not difficult to see that the population of Serbs in Macedonia would have been far less than 30,000. Therefore, the Serbs would have a greater claim on Turkey than they would on Macedonia when it comes to ethnicity. This is according Novi’s source. Given the fact that Novi is so keen on us re-posting the map I’d say he was probably assuming that we wouldn’t be able to find it. For you see, there must have been some ‘ultra nationalistic’ Serb that that has supposedly “improved” the above posted map on Wikipedia and has replaced the original map with the following. You will also notice that the Serb settlements in the region of Kosovo, now Kosova, have also been beefed up. Who knows, maybe it was Novi himself? Even so, looking at this new and “improved” map of Serb settlements in medieval Macedonia, we can still see that the Serbs didn’t form a densely populated settlement. However, it should be noted that the few Serbs that did settle in medieval Macedonia were eventually re-settled to present day Turkey, as the above maps show us. Here’s another quote from wiki. Here is a map of 18th c. Serb settlements in Macedonia: That same map has been later “improved” by a Serb ‘ultra nationalist’, possibly the same person who altered the above map, to look like this: Regardless of the changes made to these “improved” maps, we can still easily see that the Serbs were by no means settled in medieval Macedonia in large numbers, nor were they settled in large numbers in Macedonia during the 18th c. Once more, I would like to make it clear that no one is disputing that there were some Serb settlements in Macedonia. However, in comparison to the Bulgarian population, the Serbs composed a negligible part of the population in Macedonia. It should also be noted, as all of you are already well aware, but I’ll repeat it for Novi’s benefit.. practically all independent sources have concluded that the vast majority of the population in Macedonia self identified as Bulgarians; approximately 80-85%.
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Post by MiG on Feb 9, 2010 14:59:22 GMT -5
The 2nd Map above.. Serbs made it that far in Bosnia. Maybe settling West of Drina River sure, but certainly not West of Bosna River.
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Post by ivo on Feb 10, 2010 12:08:43 GMT -5
Hey cocksmoker, the map was posted above. What was your point exactly? You going to claim Turkey as Serbian as well?
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Post by rusebg on Feb 10, 2010 12:10:48 GMT -5
Would you be surprised?
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Post by thracian08 on Feb 10, 2010 17:06:37 GMT -5
This is the map that Novi originally posted. Now, we know that the Serbs of ‘Gordoservon’ in Anatolia (present day Turkey) numbered about 30,000.
where exactly does this refer into Turkey to Novi?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 10, 2010 18:43:17 GMT -5
Look at these Bulgar vultures flying around and spinning crap. What ever map you look at shows the serbs did settle vardar *before* your bulgars, Asen. The name serb spread amoungst the undifferentiated slavs of vardar, hence why we have towns named as srb or srp etc...The Bulgars settle in N.E Bulgarska, so far from vardar, whereas the serbs are there ;D Hence, why in the 9th century we have this: www.emersonkent.com/map_archive/europe_charlemagne_814.htm
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 10, 2010 18:55:30 GMT -5
"where exactly does this refer into Turkey to Novi?"
Basically where Ankara is. Thracian, more serbs were re-settled from vardar (fyrom) to asia minor in the 11th century to towns like Izmit etc...
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