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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 26, 2010 3:11:02 GMT -5
and again,its usually the European-Brazillians that generate all the ooohs and aaahs^
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Post by Nikola on Feb 26, 2010 3:46:17 GMT -5
you are totally right!^^ In my country,44% of women use skin lightenning products.In India too its extrememly popular. Thats why Europe should be very careful about letting in non-Europeans migrate to their land. Oop's, I didn't know you were Indian, sorry if I offended you too much with my earlier comment. But I know what you mean about being careful. I had a few Indian friends here in Melbourne and all they keept talking about was white women, and especially blondes. It's like they had an obsession to be with one. My brothers girlfriend is blonde, and they lived in a fairly Indian area, and she got stares like you wouldn't believe. Not just the odd look, but long hard stares. It's like they were mesmerized by the sight of her. ;D
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 26, 2010 11:24:52 GMT -5
which earlier comment?
Nikola,European people(whites),their features,particularly their colouring,has this je ne sais quoi about it.
Europeans are the most beautiful people in the world because of that and also because,on both genders,the commonnes of finding one attractive is high.
Many coloured people who marry Europeans are white wannabes.Many or probably most Asian men in Asia who marry white women are rich men.Their European wives are trophies.
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Post by insomniac on Feb 27, 2010 14:06:43 GMT -5
I like European woman as well. That's why i would never mingle with others. Not because i don't think other cultures don't have their own beauties. I'm sure they do, but i think Balkan women (Albanian, Croatian, Serbian..). Nordic women (Norway, Sweden, Finnish). German, Austrian, French... and continental Europe are the best looking nations. European woman have class
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Post by nilofer on Feb 28, 2010 3:45:46 GMT -5
Many non-european looking ppl would die to have i.e. the european facial features - iranians, latinos, asians, black and indians, you name it.. Oh PLEASE! You're so full of your damn self . As many "white" people are. Just because some mentally screwed up minority try to imitate the "European look", doesn't mean "many of us", who're not European looking, are just DYING to look like we are. I'd not want to look like that woman you posted a picture of if someone put a gun to my head and asked to imitate her. She looks extremely boring to me...and I'm sure her body is even worse than her face; skinny, no curves, taller than 90% of men....yuck. If she didn't wear heavy, noticeable, different make-up there'd be absolutely nothing striking about her. Nothing that would make anyone notice her in a crowd out other bleach heads. It's funny that you make this women out to be the epiphany of the "European look". From all the places I've lived and been in Europe, ALL over Europe, no bloody where have this look been the common one at all. This girl is a model, and totally made up by stylists, hair dressers, make-up artists and Photoshop - European women do not look like that at all! Get real. I'm sorry to blow out on you but you're just talking real rubbish here, and degrading other ethnicities by lying and saying that "many of us" want to look European. How the hell would you know that?! How many is "many"? Because a couple of idiots in Sweden try to imitate Swedes, doesn't mean that "many" of us want to do the same. It makes me sooo mad...FURIOUS!!!...when people like you make people like myself out to be uncomfortable with the way we look - to the extend where we look up to certain people and wnat to be like them. I'm extremely proud of looking Middle Eastern, and wish I was born looking more Middle Eastern than I do. Unfortunately, I do not have that beautiful black hair, dark eyes and tanned skin that is very common among Middle Easterns. I so wish that I did so no one would ever mistake me for not being Middle Eastern. I think the Middle East is a beauuutiful place, and Middle Easterns are beauuutiful people. I could also post tons of pictures of Middle Eastern models to prove our beauty, like you have to "prove" that Europeans are beautiful. And well...the models I could post would beat the crap out of your bleach head model .
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Post by nilofer on Feb 28, 2010 3:53:33 GMT -5
European woman have class I don't know if you've been to Scandinavia but "classy" is definitely not the word I'd use to descaribe Nordic women...unless classy = boring, thin hair, drunk - and smelling like dogs. You know, because it's so common to have dogs (and other animals) in your house here, and people here let the animals jump up and down their beds, furniture, clothes etc.
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Post by nilofer on Feb 28, 2010 6:11:37 GMT -5
you are totally right!^^ In my country,44% of women use skin lightenning products.In India too its extrememly popular. You all keep mentioning Indian and Asian women this, Indian and Asian women that....but what about white women? In case you didn't know, women in the West are the biggest consumers of sunbedding, airbrush tanning, tanning on the beach (and therefore also the ones who risc skin cancer the most), plastic surgery, lingerie that gives their body an illusion of being curvy, cosmetics, fake hair, teeth, nails and so on. All of this is way more common the Asians bleaching their skin. Why is nobody mentioning this? You're a complete idiot. You really think that most of us/our parents came to Europe because we thought it'd be fun to be in a completely strange place where we're hated and treated like we're scum? We came to Europe because of bad conditions and systems in our own countries - such as being death threatened, being oppressed and so on. Which are conditions the West help(ed) creating, by the way. Sorry but when you play a role in chasing people out of their homes, their mother countries, then you are pretty much obliged to take the chased ones in.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 28, 2010 6:59:43 GMT -5
I have known a quite a few people who are obsessed with Asian girls. Two of them were completely open about it & made for good running jokes. One of them was easily over 190cm tall & I found that quite interesting. One guy at my work who just started also came out with this obsession straight up. He just started work and started telling us how he doesn't want any Australian girls and he's been on some dating website for the last few years called EuroAsians or something. The dude is a weirdo but I definately think there is a phenomenon of Western white dudes chasing Asian girls. I think Philipino, Korean & Japanese girls are pretty good but I've opnly ever had sex with one Asian girl. I find slightly exotic, thin, athletic, tall girls the most attractive & that probably occurs most in Serbia, Croatia & Bosnia.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 28, 2010 7:09:19 GMT -5
You all keep mentioning Indian and Asian women this, Indian and Asian women that....but what about white women? In case you didn't know, women in the West are the biggest consumers of sunbedding, airbrush tanning, tanning on the beach (and therefore also the ones who risc skin cancer the most), plastic surgery, lingerie that gives their body an illusion of being curvy, cosmetics, fake hair, teeth, nails and so on. All of this is way more common the Asians bleaching their skin. Why is nobody mentioning this? Yeah that's true hey. I always laugh at my cousins in Slovenia who spend 500 Euros a year on a Salarium pass to get a tan. Even my uncle who's over 50 years old has one of these memberships. Paying for a tan sounds crazy to someone who lives in Australia lol. I only need about a day in the sun to have a narly tan. Last week I was working all day in 47 degrees heat... One European winter though & I look like a disgusting pasty Golum creature who just crawled out of a cave. Nilo, what is your ethnicity?
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 28, 2010 9:18:49 GMT -5
You all keep mentioning Indian and Asian women this, Indian and Asian women that....but what about white women? In case you didn't know, women in the West are the biggest consumers of sunbedding, airbrush tanning, tanning on the beach (and therefore also the ones who risc skin cancer the most), plastic surgery, lingerie that gives their body an illusion of being curvy, cosmetics, fake hair, teeth, nails and so on. All of this is way more common the Asians bleaching their skin. Why is nobody mentioning this? Yes,I do know that many European descended people love to get the tan look and use lots of cosmetics and stuff. But why I'm slamming coloured women because when coloured women do it,they do it to be white.European people do it to become beautiful,sexy,while Asian women do it to be white=beautiful. And I dont know whether what Europeans are doing is more common than coloured people.Skin lightenning is seen in Africa,Westana,the Indian subcontinent,Southeast Asia,among coloured immigrants in Europe,among African-Americans,Asian-Americans,Mestizos,Indigneous Latin-American,Mullatos,Zambos,Afro-Latinos in America,the Carribean and Latin America as well. Beautification is a global thing.Has always existed.Its just that for generally urban coloured folks,there is something sinister about it. Coloured people using products(skin whitenning,hair dyes,blue-green contacts,white make-up) to whiten themselves is pretty global. In the Middle East,the common plastic surgery is a rhinoplasty.There was even a news segment on BBC on Iranians going for plastic surgery to get European noses. No self-respect.How tacky! How fake! And what hypocrasy! You're a complete idiot. You really think that most of us/our parents came to Europe because we thought it'd be fun to be in a completely strange place where we're hated and treated like we're scum? We came to Europe because of bad conditions and systems in our own countries - such as being death threatened, being oppressed and so on. Which are conditions the West help(ed) creating, by the way. Sorry but when you play a role in chasing people out of their homes, their mother countries, then you are pretty much obliged to take the chased ones in. Complete idiot? Not really. I said that because I dont want Europe to be filled with these pretender European snobs! Many of these coloured people,especially Asians who are white wannabes,like to act all Western and supercilious. In Malaysia,you get a lot of those.Not all of them dye their hair,use skin whitenning or blue contacts,but you can tell by what they,and THE WAY THEY SPEAK! A number of white wannabes in Malaysia love to speak with a white American or Anglo-Australian accent. You can also see that with the snobbery of the use of English language.And in the decisions to migrate to a white country.
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 28, 2010 9:37:01 GMT -5
I have known a quite a few people who are obsessed with Asian girls. Two of them were completely open about it & made for good running jokes. One of them was easily over 190cm tall & I found that quite interesting. One guy at my work who just started also came out with this obsession straight up. He just started work and started telling us how he doesn't want any Australian girls and he's been on some dating website for the last few years called EuroAsians or something. The dude is a weirdo but I definately think there is a phenomenon of Western white dudes chasing Asian girls. I think Philipino, Korean & Japanese girls are pretty good but I've opnly ever had sex with one Asian girl. I find slightly exotic, thin, athletic, tall girls the most attractive & that probably occurs most in Serbia, Croatia & Bosnia. Yes,EuroAsians,I've heard of that website. Yes,many European guys like Asian girls.Its a fetish I guess. There's is that sexually feminine thing about Asian women:shorter and smaller build.I guess the feminine features are sexy. Compared to European girls,they're bigger bone,broader and taller. And then maybe its also the widespread idea that many white men think Asian women are soft-spoken,submissive,traditional,ambitious,demanding etc. That they dont have this streak of feminism about them.All that doesnt hurt their manhood.
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 28, 2010 9:40:56 GMT -5
...One European winter though & I look like a disgusting pasty Golum creature who just crawled out of a cave. Oh! Dont be stupid! The paleness can make you look youthful and innocent ;D She is Kurduchi by the way.
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Post by nilofer on Feb 28, 2010 9:42:00 GMT -5
Yeah that's true hey. I always laugh at my cousins in Slovenia who spend 500 Euros a year on a Salarium pass to get a tan. Even my uncle who's over 50 years old has one of these memberships. Paying for a tan sounds crazy to someone who lives in Australia lol. I only need about a day in the sun to have a narly tan. Last week I was working all day in 47 degrees heat... One European winter though & I look like a disgusting pasty Golum creature who just crawled out of a cave. I think people should be able to do what they want with their looks (and we can all have our personal opinions about different beauty procedures). But I don't like it at all when it's only a certain group of women who're being targeted negatively when it comes to "faking up" their apperances. All women do it. Sure, some do it to a wider extend - but I don't think that it's Asian women who are the worst when it comes to these things. But you know, when people are attracted to the "European look", it makes perfect sense that they like to portray European women as women who're born with long, voluptuous platinum blonde hair, French manicure nails, bronzed skin etc. I was just out grocery shopping and felt a huge urge to photograph random, average European/Scandinavian women to post on here...so that you guys can see what I'm talking about when I say nordic women aren't classy and beautiful. My dad is Kurdish, my mum is Kurdish and Persian. I consider myself 100% Kurdish.
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Post by nilofer on Feb 28, 2010 10:29:20 GMT -5
But why I'm slamming coloured women because when coloured women do it,they do it to be white.European people do it to become beautiful,sexy,while Asian women do it to be white=beautiful. So what's the difference? Both groups of women do what they do to look beautiful and sexy, in the end of the day. The only difference between the two groups of women is what's considered beautiful; white women consider tanned/dark beautiful, dark women consider white beautiful. I know all about it . I'm just telling you that it's unfair of you to talk negatively about Asian/darker women only, when white women are even worse. As I mentioned, it's Western women who're the biggest consumers of various beauty enhancing/changing products and plastic surgery. What does it tell you about the self-image white women have of themselves and their appearance? You say you know all of this but you're also saying that you aren't aware of how common it is, among white women, to do whatever to spice up their apperances...just like Asian women do. I mean...don't you think there must be a connection between how much you consume and how much you consume it? I think it's pretty logical: you find this huge consumerism in beauty products in the Wesy because women are using them a lot . Don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly slagging women off for pursueing what they consider to be beautiful. As a woman, I definitely think there's something instictive, in most of us, that makes us want to do different things to enhance our apperances. It's not like I'm completely au naturel; I have tattoos and I like to wear makeup and do my hair! That's what I like, so that's what I do in total peace, with no one telling me that it's wrong or bad. I have no problems at all with plastic surgery, hair extensions, French manicures (uh, I love those, myself)...but let's be real about it, and say it as it: nobody is born that way, you pay someone or something to help you look the part. Oh, of course . But I still don't understand at all why you think beautification is different, depending on skin color or ethnicity. I'm not sure I understand you... European noses? No, I don't think so. It's true that plastic surgery is normal in Iran, and that the most common procedure is rhinoplasty...but there's not a certain "nose model" that people go by. I mean, ethnicitywise. Most Iranians have probably not even been outside Iran, and access to foreighn medias are quite limited...so I very much doubt that it's a "European model" Iranians are inspired by. If you look at the Iranian noses, there's really no ressemblence to them and the noses Europeans have got. None, actually. But again, however common plastic surgery is in Iran, it still doesn't beat America and Europe . There/here, the surgeries are even more detailed; rhinoplasty, breast enlargement, butt implants, liposuction, silicone lips, eye fixing, fixing the cheekbones...and even the ribs (to create an hourglass figure). Explain, please? Why is it only Iranians that are "tacky", "fake" and "hypocrits"? You can't say that beautification is only fake and tacky when certain ethnicities do it. That's just racist. Really... And you think it's these sort of people who move to Europe? HAHAHA! People who can afford plastic surgery in the East, say Iran, are USUALLY people who're VERY well off in their home countries. Both financially (d'uh) and socially. Why would they give all up that up for a mediocre life in Europe? What do you care? Are they hurting you? You may not like it (I don't either) but you don't know their stories. Why they are acting this way. I can imagine that it's not exactly helping their confidence, as Asians, when it's white people, in their society, that's being put on a piedestal. Like you do, actually; you judge peoples' actions, as right or wrong, on basis of where people come from, their skin color and/or ethnicity. That's messed UP. Here in Denmark, you also meet a lot of white guys who think they're 2Pac, and act and talk like him. Or white women who think they're Beyoncé. I was out on friday night, and I couldn't even count how many Danish women in the club were bootyshaking and dancing like Afro-American women. To rap, hip hop and Oriental beats. This is the world we live in, we're somehow mixing our cultures and feeling the freedom to adapt things that aren't necessarily from our own. The last bit has most probably very little to do with wanting to adapt to a "white" life/wanting to be white. Truth of the matter is, conditions are way better, more free, safer and stable in the West than in the East. Of course that's hella attractive to people . You're mistaken if you think Europeans are good at welcoming foreighners and consider them as equal citizens, and this is what attracts people to Europe and makes them want to be white. Trust me, if you look foreighn, you'll also be treated like you're different from the natives. It's not fun at all...
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 28, 2010 12:00:44 GMT -5
I agree with Nilo 100% Also I am olive skin with dark eyes, I have worn contact lenses yet they have been hazel, patterned and glow in the dark colours, my reason for using them wasn't to look white or European, but to look funky in the clubs and different once in a while as i do have the tendancy to get bored of 'looks'. I have also had a diamond placed in my front tooth to look different. My hair colour has been almost every colour under the sun, (blue, pink, red, purple, black, copper, light/dark brown, dayglo etc) apart from blonde as it doesnt suit my skin tone. None of these colours were to look 'white'. I would love to post pic's of people from England, they are very far from the so called 'modeleque' look that you percieve westerners to have. In fact as Nilo stated western countries use more cosmetics products to change their look than non western people. In fact non western people mainly use cosmetics to ENHANCE their natural beauty. I myself do not have a specific look, I can be classed anywhere on a huge spectrum from Latino to Egyption to mixed race, to Turkish. When i meet a latino they think I am the same, An arab they think I am the same, even Kurdish people have thought I was Kurdish, and always black/mixed race people think I am the same, In Turkey I am always questioned on my background as I don't have the typical straight hair and light eyes that 90% of them have, also my eyes don't have the slight chiny pull, they are big and almond shaped. Iranians do have a lot of plastic surgery yes, but people have the money to spend, they enhance themseleves. Yet I have met many natural Iranians whom I thought were Italian or French, they are middle easterners yet don't have the stereotype view that Ignorent people like hellboy assume they have. Asians generally want to look european because many of them are poor and think a life in the west would be more beneficial for them, in order to look more attractive to westeners they are copying their looks. I enjoy the way I look and appreciate it, western men, ALWAYS check me out, try to ask me out, want to talk with me, because I look exotic or mysterious and different. I don't have that boyish figure that many English girls are born with, I love that fact. I know I can get ANY man i want just by looking at him. but its too easy so I don't like doing that. There are very beautiful western women too, but they are not as you perceive on these forums, and once the make up comes off, you see a pale, small eyes, piggy nose. The best looking Europeans are generally ones that have some mix in them, either from the balkans, russia, or more exotic middle eastern places.
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 28, 2010 12:11:33 GMT -5
As for Iranians and the nose jobs,they are opting for European noses okay? Middle Easterners are objects of ridicule for their noses.Look at the Jews.The hook noses,Roman noses.Their noses are not sleek.
And you look at the after shots and they show a straight sleek nose.A European type nose.
Those snobs who migrate to Europe or a white majority country is because its seen as like an exclusive club.Coloured people look up to white people.I mean,you should see how some of these snobs go on about oooh I went to paris for holiday,I'm going to Norway,my daughter is married to a Dane......... Of course not all are like that,there are those who go there out of pure love for a country and because of consequences.But there are plenty of the former.
When I said fake tacky etc,I was not just targeting Iranians.I was targeting coloured people who want to be white by acting so and by altering themselves to have European features.
WHy I'm harsher on coloured women or people went they do this beautification thing? Like ive said,its because for many of them,its to Europeanize their look.To change race.To become white.That's internalize racism which in turn smacks of hypocrisy and snobbery.I mean,what da f*ck? You not white and go pretend your white and act it and only want to mix and marry with whites? THAT,I despise.
''What do you care? Are they hurting you? You may not like it (I don't either) but you don't know their stories. Why they are acting this way. I can imagine that it's not exactly helping their confidence, as Asians, when it's white people, in their society, that's being put on a piedestal. Like you do, actually; you judge peoples' actions, as right or wrong, on basis of where people come from, their skin color and/or ethnicity. That's messed UP.''
Not really.I'm judging them for their behaviour and actions.I live in Asia.I see this in local TV shows,newspapers and from first hand social observation and interaction.I know what I'm talking about.
It is a reality that many coloured people do stuff to Europeanize themselves,OK? Truth hurts.It hurts to know that these once colonized and enslaved coloured people emerged stupid.That they give in to their weaknesses and stupidty.
To add to what Ive said,some of these white wannabes even critisize local ways that are not exactly bad because its not Western and stuff and sometimes,their criticism of some bad local stuff is not fair because they do not take into consideration of the local history and stuff.To me,when I see that,I'm like what da f*ck? That there is pure hypocrisy! That is why I have absolute scorn for these people. White wannabes acting white and superior to locals when are not white.
Now this,look at Aishwarya Rai.You know she's very popular among Indians.She's one of those rare Indians with blue-green eyes.That's why she's Indian people's trophy.Go figure.She's not a bad performing artist,but certainly not a great one like how people praise her.
For most of those white guys who talk black,they do it out of love.The Asians who do it? Out of vanity,narcissism.
And yes,a large number of coloured immigrants to Europe are there for safety and for a decent better life.Case in point,the guest workers and refugees and asylum seekers.
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Post by donnie on Feb 28, 2010 14:50:15 GMT -5
Oh please, until now you've continually tried to emphasize how radically different Turks look from Kurds who you yourself like to narrow down to hairy unibrowed darkskins and how Turks look more European in comparison, with light eyes and yadayada ...
Other than that, in response to hellboy87; if the white woman/man is the current inofficial definition of what is attractive, this has nothing to do with some objective notion of beauty, but rather it is the obvious result of overrepresentation in media where most models and beautiful actors and actresses are Caucasian ... which isn't surprising since all major media centres and productions are centered and produced in white dominated countries/socities. Combined with the assymetric distribution of wealth & power worldwide in favour of whites, it isnt so difficult to grasp and understand why some people of non-white origins might develop a sense of inferiority complex and aspire to emulate the Caucasian ideal. The ideal is always set by those in power ... for instance the ancient Greeks saw themselves as ideal, as a perfect intermediate as opposed to the darker southerners or the too pale northerners.
Today, the world is dominated by Anglo-American culture and language and by people of Anglo-Celtic descent, and accordingly they have set up an ideal of the blond beauty. Nothing objective about this ,,, and what Nilofar said is correct; if anything, use of cosmetics and plastic surgeries are by far commoner in Europe and the US than elsewhere in the world. Average whites arent properly represented by the selected supermodels and actors & actresses which Malaysians and other Asians see on their screens, billboards and magazines. They're just average .. if there is one advantage they might have, it's enjoying better healthcare and living standards which might have a certain impact on your physical exterior ... if that's what youre talking about, that's something else. But there are negative effects of that too, namely obesity, which is not as common once outside N. America and Europe.
PS I dont know what Iranians you've seen bro, and perhaps nose surgery is common among them (but its also common in Europe and the US, probably commoner), but alot of their women are drop dead gorgeous. And I believe I've seen more of them than you. Here in Sweden, especially in Stockholm were I live, there is a large Iranian community, I mean we're speaking tens of thousands (I've heard the figure of 20,000 Persians just in Stockholm). I have seen my fair share of Iranian women, and on average they're very beautiful ... far more beautiful than white British or Irish women, or German/French/Spanish ... I'd say they compete successfully with Swedish girls as well. Though I cannot say the same of other middle-eastern nations ... not saying they're ugly, they're just not as beautiful as the Iranian women I've seen on average.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 28, 2010 15:38:25 GMT -5
Oh please, until now you've continually tried to emphasize how radically different Turks look from Kurds who you yourself like to narrow down to hairy unibrowed darkskins and how Turks look more European in comparison, with light eyes and yadayada ... The above was true for what I saw in Britain and some other European countries. That was also only about the Kurds from Turkey.
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Post by Nikola on Feb 28, 2010 17:18:25 GMT -5
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Post by Nikola on Feb 28, 2010 17:22:40 GMT -5
I remember watching that Iranian women nose job documentary that hellboy was talking about too. Here's something similar.
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