Post by hellboy87 on Feb 28, 2010 19:05:34 GMT -5
Oh please, until now you've continually tried to emphasize how radically different Turks look from Kurds who you yourself like to narrow down to hairy unibrowed darkskins and how Turks look more European in comparison, with light eyes and yadayada ...
Other than that, in response to hellboy87; if the white woman/man is the current inofficial definition of what is attractive, this has nothing to do with some objective notion of beauty, but rather it is the obvious result of overrepresentation in media where most models and beautiful actors and actresses are Caucasian ... which isn't surprising since all major media centres and productions are centered and produced in white dominated countries/socities. Combined with the assymetric distribution of wealth & power worldwide in favour of whites, it isnt so difficult to grasp and understand why some people of non-white origins might develop a sense of inferiority complex and aspire to emulate the Caucasian ideal. The ideal is always set by those in power ... for instance the ancient Greeks saw themselves as ideal, as a perfect intermediate as opposed to the darker southerners or the too pale northerners.
Erm...Yes and No.Yes to what you said because that all dates back to the days of European colonial domination of the world where they called the shots,they made the stuff etc
No because Europeans really are attractive.OK,I have seen attractive people among Westanas,Sub-Saharan Africans,Indians,south and northeast Asians and Indigenous Americans.But when it comes to commonness of attractive people in a racial group for both genders,the Europeans win hands down.
In other races,it's usually the women where you can find the ok looking and simple pretty ones that are common and for the men,the handsome ones are a minority,a rarity in some of them.But Indigenous Australians,the pure ones,they are really ugly on both genders I say honestly.
The Europeans,their facial features and especially their colouring has,I've said this before,this je ne sais quoi thing about it.Their colouring is glamorous.
Look at the Japanese and South Koreans.Both are long rich and developed and technology producing countries.They can compete with America and West Europe.But they too succumb to the spell of European beauty.The eye-lid surgery to create a double eye-lid is common there.So is European hair dye colours.And even skin lightenning or "pale-ing" products.They are fair,but they have to European pale fair.Not yellow fair.
Today, the world is dominated by Anglo-American culture and language and by people of Anglo-Celtic descent, and accordingly they have set up an ideal of the blond beauty. Nothing objective about this ,,, and what Nilofar said is correct; if anything, use of cosmetics and plastic surgeries are by far commoner in Europe and the US than elsewhere in the world. Average whites arent properly represented by the selected supermodels and actors & actresses which Malaysians and other Asians see on their screens, billboards and magazines. They're just average .. if there is one advantage they might have, it's enjoying better healthcare and living standards which might have a certain impact on your physical exterior ... if that's what youre talking about, that's something else. But there are negative effects of that too, namely obesity, which is not as common once outside N. America and Europe.
Maybe plastic surgery is commoner in the West yes,but beautification is all over.Its just that those in the poor areas use traditional ones rather than make-up and modern stuff.
In Malaysia,Western movies,are predominated by American ones featuring mostly European-American actors.Same goes for music acts too(American,British,Canadian).Though Black hip hop artists' music are very popular as well.European and American beauty products that are made in the West are shown here in Malaysia featuring of course Europeans.
Fashion magazines are all Western influenced.Same goes for lifestyle ones.
In Malaysia and other southeast Asian countries,there has been controversy for a long time about the too common use of Eurasians(people of European+Asian ancestry) as actors and models in local advertisements,soap operas,TV hosts and movies.Since there are hardly any white citizens in Asian countries,what they do is get Eurasians.
Some of these Eurasians,they dont even look Eurasian yet they are still chosen for the job.Why? It's the fantasy of the beautiful glamorous European.A few years ago in local newspapers,there was a story on why local Malaysian fashion designers use Europeans as models for runway shows and ads.The selectors said that if they choose a local one,it wouldnt work.Magazines wouldnt sell etc.
A few years ago I was reading an interview with a Eurasian VJ in this magazine.She said when for the audition to become a VJ,she said she screwed up and so she didnt know why they selected her still.
Years ago,this entertainment channel,Channel V,shown in many Asian countries,had only Eurasian VJ's.In fact,they have always had Eurasian VJ's.Now Eurasians are a TINY MINORITY in countries of the world.There had been buzz in the media by commentators and also from feedback by the public on why at that time,there were only Eurasians.The spokesperson for Channel V said that the ones they selected who had the requirements just happen to be Eurasians. Really? Being a VJ is not a tough job.I mean most of them have their scripts written for them.One of them I remembered when she first started,spoke funnily trying to be intresting.Didnt know how to speak.Was not cool at all at it and this is an entertainment channel for heaven's sake! And even more so when Eurasians are a tiny minority and its rare to come across them.
So when I read that interview,it just confirmed what I had thought all along that the spokesperson for Channel V was f*cking lying.That VJ interviewed did not have the requirements as she said she screwed up at the audition.
Once,I was in a taxi.You know,I'm mixed race.To most I look mixed.To some mostly Malay looking,to others,mostly Indian looking,to this couple TUNISIAN looking,to a few as Eurasian looking,by one taxi driver as Arab mix looking,and for this taxi driver he asked me in amazement.He asked me, you a white mixed person? When he said that looking at me,he was smiling like wow.At first I got creeped out when he started smiling.
My younger sister too has had a lot of ooohs and aaahs from parents friends because of her fair skin and brown hair when she was a little girl.
Coloured people are mad about Europeans!
And then also,look at the Ottoman Empire.For the Jannisaries,they favoured Europeans.All the Sultans had European mothers.The girls of the harem were European.In parts of the Middle East,a white slave was the most expensive one.
I was reading this quote by this person in a write up about Ataturk.That person speaking also said that Ataturk look at him with his green eyes,like wow.The tone seemed to me as amazement and ethusiasm.
There is this Turkish TV show called Noor,widely shown in the Arab world.The male lead actor is Kivanc Tatlilug,a handsome blue-eyed blonde Bosniak descended Turk.The Arab women viewers of the show are mad about him.Some even say its partly him that is reason for the shows' success.And that it is also the reason for the increase in Arab tourists to Turkey.
A famous and once very popular sex symbol in Turkey is Banu Alkan.Blonde haired,light-eyed and also of Bosniak descent.
A thread in another forum I was looking at had posted dozens of pictures of current child actors in Turkey.90 over % of them are muhacirs,Turks with ancestors from lost European Ottoman territories.And most people in Turkey dont look European and are of Anatolian stock.
In Malaysia,we have had several Miss Malaysias who are Eurasian.While in Indonesia,many of their eye-candy starlets are Eurasians too.A famous and popular actor there,Ari Wibowo,of Javanese+German descent is really big.There was even reality show where a girl has the chance to become his house cleaner as the prize.That's how much they love him.But he is very handsome.
The Japanese are also famous for hiring white people to star in their ads.
I have been to Australia and I have to say that yeah,finding an attractive European-Aussie is common.But there also those who madly stunningly beautiful who are a minority.
I will add that not everyone,coloured and white,thinks that Europeans are generally attractive.There are all kinds of people,but most,particularly coloured people,find them so.High percentage of attractive ones.Glamorous je ne sais quoi colourings...
PS I dont know what Iranians you've seen bro, and perhaps nose surgery is common among them (but its also common in Europe and the US, probably commoner), but alot of their women are drop dead gorgeous. And I believe I've seen more of them than you. Here in Sweden, especially in Stockholm were I live, there is a large Iranian community, I mean we're speaking tens of thousands (I've heard the figure of 20,000 Persians just in Stockholm). I have seen my fair share of Iranian women, and on average they're very beautiful ... far more beautiful than white British or Irish women, or German/French/Spanish ... I'd say they compete successfully with Swedish girls as well. Though I cannot say the same of other middle-eastern nations ... not saying they're ugly, they're just not as beautiful as the Iranian women I've seen on average.
I'm not saying plastic surgery is common among them.I said the common plastic surgery is rhinoplasty to get European noses.
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what's up with this hoo ha on Persian chicks?