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Post by ioan on May 22, 2010 14:38:16 GMT -5
My idea for a new big monument dedicated to unification of Bulgaria and Rumelia is to be done after this famous painting:  Big monument of those 2 womean that symbolize south and north Bulgaria. It should be situated in Sofia or Plovdiv... |
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Post by ivo on May 22, 2010 16:16:30 GMT -5
 This is the current monument for the unification of the Principality of Bulgaria and Eastern Rumelia, in Plovdiv. I like the picture, but let's add a third woman and let her name start with the letter 'M'. She can be shown as a prospect for the future.  |
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Post by ioan on May 22, 2010 23:31:59 GMT -5
well that monument is ugly... there are alot of monuments in bulgaria that are ugly... i do not get it why though... a classic monument done on that classic painting would ve looked great. it should be big... if there is a monument dedicated to unification in plovdiv, its best such monument is situated in sofia
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Post by Rhezus on Jun 9, 2010 12:16:04 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter where it will be situated, but as you say, it should be made in a classic style and by a talented sculpturer. The one in Plovdiv looks quite weird, but smth similar the one of Nike would be beautiful to see:  |
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 9, 2010 13:47:13 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter where it will be situated, but as you say, it should be made in a classic style and by a talented sculpturer. The one in Plovdiv looks quite weird, but smth similar the one of Nike would be beautiful to see: I don't want you to use a statue like Nike... incorporation of Eastern Rumelia in Bulgaria meant the end of the strong Greek presence there and it was anything than "nike" for the area...  btw...what a statue...what detail and life...! |
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 9, 2010 13:49:25 GMT -5
The Plovdiv one is a typical example of modernist socialist realism. The people who made that would have found the statue of Nike to be too "bourgeois"
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 9, 2010 13:52:57 GMT -5
were commies so muscular...?  |
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 9, 2010 13:57:24 GMT -5
Generally they were quite stiff, muscular and tall representations of peasant life... the complete opposite of the rural reality of poverty, malnutrition and weak growth...  The master of Albanian socialist realism was Odhise Paskali, who was responsible for the common bust of Scanderbeg and this statue of a peasant:  Those are among the less symbolic and idealized realm. www.odhisepaskali.com/Large%20Images/Flamurtari.jpgThere is a lot of beauty in socialist realism... except people from ex-socialist countries tend to be sick of them... |
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Post by Rhezus on Jun 10, 2010 10:07:46 GMT -5
It rather meant the end of what was wrong. Greek "presence" was not strong in the area (nobody felt "greek" around these territories) and was no longer accepted. Pitty that some part of our territoies are still not fully incorporated - we need Aegean Thracia and Samotraki back. |
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 10, 2010 11:41:30 GMT -5
especially Samothraki was/is very bulgarian... LOL ... |
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Post by Rhezus on Jun 11, 2010 4:59:02 GMT -5
Because our heritage is Thracian, it is Thracia. Wish we put the name back too.  |
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 11, 2010 5:11:11 GMT -5
^ then you would be doing what you have accused Greece of doing. Renaming the country to link to your past. Kind of hypocritical isnt it Rhezus ?
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 11, 2010 5:23:10 GMT -5
Thracian, because that's our heritage. I wish we put the name back too - Thracia. if you write to us two sentences in original thracian that you should speak, then I will send a letter to Papandreou asking him to give Samothraki to Bulgaria. |
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Post by Rhezus on Jun 11, 2010 5:31:49 GMT -5
So you think you speak the language of Thracians? The Greek language doesn't mean same as Thracian lang.
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 11, 2010 5:37:17 GMT -5
So you think you speak the language of Thracians? The Greek language doesn't mean same as Thracian lang. no i didn't say that... i just asked you politely to talk some thracian in order to justify my letter to Papandreou asking to give Samothraki to Bulgaria... what should i write...that a Pomak guy who speaks south slavic asks Samothraki because his little brain makes him feel connected with Thracians...?? help me a bit.... |
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Post by Rhezus on Jun 11, 2010 7:43:46 GMT -5
Oo, very polite of you, really.. Speaking any language will not make the a difference. If you are clever enough you will realise that thracian ppl of today don't use that speech any more (but we know how the langguige was like). Now we all in BG use one - the slavonic.
No Chalk, Greece have never changed its original name, it is still the same. But because of Greece it would be good to return to our old name, so you stop claiming Thrace as part of you (like Makedonia now). Btw, let Rep. of Makedonia alone, because you have what you have already.
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 11, 2010 7:51:35 GMT -5
Oo, very polite of you, really.. Speaking any language will not make the a difference. If you are clever enough you will realise that thracian ppl of today don't use that speech any more (but we know how the langguige was like). Now we all in BG use one - the slavonic. if you are mainly thracians... why did you change your language to slavonic...? i want an answer... not bs... |
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Post by tsompanos on Jun 11, 2010 8:09:17 GMT -5
funny however that rumelia was called rumelia because it was land of rums , guess who the rums where |
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Post by Rhezus on Jun 11, 2010 8:10:00 GMT -5
Ok, Patrinos.. because in contrast to you we got/accepted additional groups (slavics, gothic, bulgars etc.) and because of that, there was a periods of ethnical regrouping - we all accepted that and adapted to the upcoming new reallity. It means our ppl we not narrow minded. Can you understand that better now?
Tsompanos, who called yuo "rums" - the turks right. It meaned Romans, or part of the former Roman Empire. Thracia was a province of that world, later part of the East Roman Empire. That doesn't mean that only if turks called you "rum" that we all are greek. Roman empire (as all know) was consisted of different ppl, german, latin, gauls, thracians, dacians, greek etc. Forget it, you weren't and you are not even now the centre of the World.
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Post by tsompanos on Jun 11, 2010 8:45:49 GMT -5
ok let us agree with you just for the fun of it , the bulgarians where not exactly friends of the romans so where does that put you?
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