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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jun 30, 2010 14:29:27 GMT -5
I work in a very big establishment, I speak to many women everyday, I became interested in this subject when my best mate got pregnant, she wanted to have a natural birth.....
Almost every single mother that I have spoken to under the age of 35 has had a C section, their reasons are that 'natural birth' is painful, it has become a serious industry in Turkey.
If this isn't society going down the pan, what the hell is it?
Regardless when my best friend said, im going to have a natural birth people reacted very offensively, often portraying genuine sympathy, I mean what!! they want to get cut through nine layers and have their babies pulled out unnaturally because they think giving birth is too painful for them to handle?
Unless they have a solid medical reason they shouldn't have a c section in my opinion. I just wanted to rant about it here...
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Post by Rhezus on Jun 30, 2010 16:08:47 GMT -5
Yes, if there isn't a serious reason I don't see why a C section is needed.
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Post by Anittas on Jul 4, 2010 7:19:07 GMT -5
I heard the opinion... now I'm still waiting for the argument.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jul 11, 2010 19:40:00 GMT -5
why would there be an argument?
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Post by Anittas on Jul 12, 2010 0:33:02 GMT -5
Not argument as in fighting... argument as in "an address or composition intended to convince or persuade; persuasive discourse".
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Jul 12, 2010 7:58:12 GMT -5
I don't believe in trying to persuade people one way or another, everyone should state their opinion and we should respect that. I can give a couple of facts for people who haven't any previous knowledge re C sections. a C section means that the doctors will tell you to come in on a set day and cut through multiple layers of tissue and muscle to literally cut out the baby from the pregnant womens stomach. This will of course lead to discomfort when healing after the birth. More than a normal birth without complications. A C section means that the baby is born when the doctor can 'fit you in' not when the baby decides its time to come out, although they do generally try to choose a time that should be near to the natural birth. Babies delivered by Caesarean section have a 20 percent higher risk than normal deliveries of developing the most common type of diabetes in childhood, according to a new study. www.wesh.com/health/17310158/detail.htmlThere are a few more recent studies which I may or may not post later. Mothers especially in Turkey are opting for C sections because they cannot bear the pain of a natural birth, and it isn't surprising that many of them have a hard time bonding with their baby afterwards. Many dr's try to convince you to have a C section, prominent dr's in private hospitals told my friend that 'in America they cut the women up, scarring them for life' and 'In Europe the women all have traumatic births and their genitals are forever damaged' No surprise then that my friend moved to the USA to have a totally natural birth, she got sick of all the pressure and said to me 'even if I put my foot down and say a Natural birth, i am sure they will find an excuse and give me a C section'
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Post by vanilo on Aug 20, 2010 10:51:15 GMT -5
I have never had a problem with C-section, lots of drugs and any other remedy than can ease a birth. I can't say anything positive about pregnancy, labour and birth, it's all horrible. I think hell is probably more comfortable than having a baby, to be honest. I feel like a whale with an even bigger whale inside of me, and I dread the day when I have to pop it out. I would be happy if the doctor tells me the baby is stuck in there, and has to be cut out ;D. Please do it!
One thing that has REALLY annoyed me is how so many women have told me that you forget the pain of birth when you hold your baby. Lie. I remember it all, very vivdly. And no thanks, I don't want it. I wouldn't mind being put in to a coma while having a baby...wake me up when it's all over...
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Post by vinjak on Aug 20, 2010 18:57:24 GMT -5
I guess its not right for a man to comment on this but I will , In my opinion it should be every women's right to choose C section or Natural ..
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Post by rex362 on Aug 20, 2010 19:22:05 GMT -5
I guess its not right for a man to comment on this but I will , In my opinion it should be every women's right to choose C section or Natural .. I will jump in also .... I have heard woman say they will take the C so it doesn't affect their Vagina size ......as a seasoned man on this subject I think its just a myth if ya ask me .....
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Post by vanilo on Aug 21, 2010 1:55:40 GMT -5
I have heard woman say they will take the C so it doesn't affect their Vagina size ......as a seasoned man on this subject I think its just a myth if ya ask me ..... Some women "rip" completely when having a baby, or are cut up if they are not quite dialated enough. I don't know about the rest of the world but here you, when you've had the baby, you are asked by the medical staff if you want to be sewed up to your normal size, tighter etc.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 21, 2010 6:49:14 GMT -5
Some women "rip" completely when having a baby, or are cut up if they are not quite dialated enough. I don't know about the rest of the world but here you, when you've had the baby, you are asked by the medical staff if you want to be sewed up to your normal size, tighter etc. Far out I struggle to think about child birth for longer than a couple of seconds without hearing this kind of thing! I guess its not right for a man to comment on this but I will , In my opinion it should be every women's right to choose C section or Natural .. lol that's not an opinion!
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Aug 21, 2010 7:36:41 GMT -5
Nice input guys, My friend who went to the USA did end up having a c section, it was because she had serious complications having the baby and they almost lost mother and daughter. So there wasn't another choice, and she was glad for it obviously. I am always pro-choice in every aspect of life, that is why it bothers me so much that there is pressure from dr's in Turkey to have a C section. It has become a money making scheme for Dr's Vanilo I totally get you, as although I have a VERY high pain threshold, if there are drugs that can safely ease the pain with minimum side effects, I suppose I would opt in for them! The dentist example is a great one, I had my wisdom teeth taken out and the pain was so unbearable even though they had injected lots of drugs and any more would have meant i'd be going under. The pain afterwards was also intense and I looked like a bloody beaver for a week. In regards to natural birth, I just know it is more painful, but healthier, since most womens bodies are equipped for this process, in addition, after a C section it is a lot harder for women to lose the belly weight since the abdominal muscles are cut through, the women have to be very careful not to rip the stitches, almost every women I know who has had the C section has the same complaint, the belly weight not going!! whereas after a natural birth the weight eases off quite freely, especially if you are a sporty person with good ab's.
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Post by rex362 on Aug 21, 2010 9:45:45 GMT -5
another thing .... if no pain/hurt at childbirth .....when your child gets a boo boo it will not cry out Ma MA ...... but DaDa it will be aware
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Post by vanilo on Aug 21, 2010 11:24:16 GMT -5
I am always pro-choice in every aspect of life, that is why it bothers me so much that there is pressure from dr's in Turkey to have a C section. It has become a money making scheme for Dr's I can understand why you're bothered by it...I think doctors should just let women know what their options are, and make them make the actual choice. I have an extremely low pain threshold, I felt like even an epidural was not enough for me! I don't know, having my first baby was a horrible experience (even though it was "quick and easy" - as the doctor said). It's going to be interesting to see how the 2nd one is going to go...they've made me eat spicy foods, moving around and such to get things going (as I'm way overdue). Can't wait till it's over and done with... Ouch...luckily I've never experienced anything like that. That's true...and this is actually the only thing I prefer in natural birth over C-section. I had/have no stretch marks, and as I got/will get my stomach back into shape (again), it really looked/will look like I'd never been pregnant ;D. My cousin had a C-section with her first baby, and she really struggles with what you described...it has affected her self-esteem quite a bit, too...
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 24, 2011 3:11:16 GMT -5
Turkish health officials look to reduce number of caesareans Font Size: Larger|Smaller Wednesday, February 23, 2011 ISTANBUL - Daily news with Radikal The Health Ministry will launch a campaign to reduce the number of cesarean operations due to the growing number of women opting for such births. ‘Health personnel who recommend conventional ways of giving birth to their patients instead of operations will be granted a double wage,’ a doctor says At 42.5 percent, Turkey tops all other countries in the number of cesarean operations its doctors perform.
At 42.5 percent, Turkey tops all other countries in the number of cesarean operations its doctors perform.
Turkey’s Health Ministry has announced new plans to double the pay doctors receive if they deliver babies normally in a bid to discourage the increasing preference for cesarean births, according to news reports.
Daily Radikal reported Wednesday that the ministry plans to begin a public awareness campaign next month to reduce the number of caesarean operations. In addition to encouraging the use of midwives, the campaign will aim to inform people about conventional birth methods while rewarding doctors, nurses and midwives who encourage more natural birthing procedures.
“The health staff who recommended conventional ways instead of operations to their patients will be granted double wage,” said Ümit Göktolga, head of Ankara’s Zübeyde Hanım Obstetrics and Gynecology Training and Research Hospital.
Göktolga also said prominent people would be used to front the campaign to explain the benefits of natural birth.
At 42.5 percent, Turkey tops all other countries in the number of caesarean operations its doctors perform. As such, government authorities, along with the Gynecology Association, are aiming to reduce this figure to 35 percent by 2013. Ministry data showed that cesarean rates in Turkey increased from 36.3 percent to 42.7 percent between 2007 and 2009.
Many women have chosen caesarean operations of their own volition, while others agreed to the surgery because they were told that they were at risk, the Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review previously reported.
Data also indicated that a larger proportion of the caesarean births occurred in private hospitals; while only 39.34 percent of the babies delivered in public hospitals in 2009 were cesarean, 61.84 percent were born through surgery at private hospitals.
Göktolga said a private association that would supervise hospitals would check on the cesarean rates.
Istanbul University Cerrahpaşa Obstetrics and Gynecology Faculty Professor Engin Oral said the subject should be analyzed case by case.
“The doctor and the patient should decide together by considering the risks. An early cesarean operation may cause the baby to have breathing difficulties,” said Oral, adding that there was an infection and bleeding risk for the mother as well.
There are no complication risks in natural births but there is often damage to the vagina, Oral said, adding that repeated natural deliveries could cause urinary incontinence and problems during sexual intercourse.
İsmail Mete İtil, a professor at Istanbul University’s Cerrahpaşa Obstetrics and Gynecology Faculty, said that in order to support regular delivery, the epidural anesthesia method, which only anesthetizes the lower part of the body, should become more common.
“The target is not to have fewer caesareans but to properly manage the delivery,” said İtil, adding that there should be regulations regarding clinical services.
No more ‘scoring points with cesarean section’
A complete overhaul of the system regulating baby deliveries in Turkey is needed instead of measures to convince doctors to encourage expectant mothers to have normal births instead of caesareans, according to one doctor.
Offering more points for regular childbirth rather than caesareans is a practicable alternative within an existing system that offers “points” to doctors depending on the job they perform, but it “should not be the way,” said Ali Çerkezoğlu, general-secretary of the Istanbul Doctors’ Chamber.
Cesarean sections have dramatically increased since the points system was introduced, Çerkezoğlu said, adding that the ministry was doing the right thing by trying to reduce the number of such births.
However, he said, “The way to prevent cesarean sections is not to pay extra cash to [doctors] encouraging regular childbirths, but to change the performance system completely.”
New rights and authorities to midwives
Maternity wards at Turkish state hospitals will be redesigned to take into account the needs for mothers’ privacy, according to reports.
Pregnant women in labor will be transferred to a private room, where the birth will take place with a health team present.
The Health Ministry will also pay twice the amount of money to the doctors, midwives and other health employees who encourage would-be mothers to elect a regular childbirth rather than a caesarean.
The ministry will also consider improving the responsibilities and social benefits of midwives.
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Post by nilofer on Feb 24, 2011 5:11:05 GMT -5
I don't understand why the ministry is so keen on making women choose natural birth...sure, it's wrong to tell women they're at risk if they're really not, but...if women themselves want cesarean sections, let them have it. I'm personally going to a private hospital this time, because I have the option to choose what I want, instead of being told what I'm going to do.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 24, 2011 8:41:51 GMT -5
Well ... it isn't as healthy for the baby or the mother. Like i pointed out before, childhood diabetes is definitely related to c section births. In addition it is extremely hard to get rid of the belly weight for the mother and almost all the ppl that I knew in Turkey, spoke of pains up until a year after they had given birth!! God gave us the body to give birth naturally, unless something is going wrong I think we should just do it properly. Oh and yea women think that its because it affects the nether regions... well they can fix that to pre sex standards,, so I don't see what the problem is...? Then again, ok I am pro choice also... If someone is really suffering with birth, perhaps they want to have a C section fine.... I personally want to have a natural birth... but be nice n drugged up
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Post by nilofer on Mar 19, 2011 13:27:14 GMT -5
Well ... it isn't as healthy for the baby or the mother. Like i pointed out before, childhood diabetes is definitely related to c section births. In addition it is extremely hard to get rid of the belly weight for the mother and almost all the ppl that I knew in Turkey, spoke of pains up until a year after they had given birth!! Diabetes is most often a result of a certain lifestyle, if you lead one that is healthy and pass that on to the kids then I don't see the problem. The risk of getting diabetes is higher, but if you raise your kids the way you're supposed to raise them then diabetes will never be an issue, hopefully. I'd heard of the pains afterwards, too, but it doesn't seem all that common to me that it continues for so long. Most I know are fine quite shortly after having had the C-section. I agree. For me, it wasn't a matter of my body not being able to do it. The problem was/is my extreme intolerance to pain. Being drugged up didn't help me at all. It bothers me that the nurses and doctors used all the extremest methods to "create" an okay pleasant natural birth, but could see their efforts weren't enough. They referred to me as "their worst case ever", yet that wasn't enough for them to give me a choice. I was planning to definitely have a C-section this time around, and went to a private hospital to make arrangements. They wouldn't really do it either. But since I'm having twins I guess there's a higher chance of me needing a c-section ;D. Perhaps I don't need to fight for it so much... Me neither. When it comes to this... Exactly. It's all about giving someone the choice to decide what they're most comfortable with. Most women really do want a natural birth...just a few us who don't, lol.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 19, 2011 15:02:18 GMT -5
Just yesterday a friend of mine came over from Cyprus for visit for a week, we had a long chat about stuff, and pregnancy and birth were included because his sister gave birth last year. He told me 95% of women have c sections in Cyprus. That ALL the drs advise for it. That its difficult to find a dr that delivers the baby naturally! As in Turkey it has become a money making scheme and nothing more! If u want to have a baby at a private hospital u are motivated into having a C section.
That was the part that bothered me the most. I mean where is the choice? Its the same situation that u are in, but as the opposite end, and no one really wants to give birth in Govt hospitals in Turkey, as there status will be reduced to "poor"
Were u given an epidural?
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 19, 2011 15:03:20 GMT -5
Congrats on the twins btw --- i love twins they are so cute...but double trouble I warn u. We have 3 or 4 sets in my family!!
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