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Post by Arxileas on Aug 16, 2010 2:13:02 GMT -5
If you'd bothered actually reading what I wrote before acting smart, you would have seen I acknowledged Greek presence in the region during the antiquity and the middle age. What I question is the continuity from those days to modern times. Some Greeks would like to think that the "vorio epirotes" of today are direct descendants of ancient epirotes, which is false. For instance the Greeks of Dropull were only brought in during the Ottoman period from Attica as laborers in the estates of rich Moslem landlords. Likewise the toponym does not come fro Drinopolis but from the Slavic Drinopolje, "field of river Drino".
The same with Himara region. Well, a little different; here we're dealing with what I described earlier, a process similiar to that of Suliots and Arvanites.
Understand now Arselieas?? So in effect, you didnt even respond to anything that I wrote, only imaginary claims and arguments. No, no it's time for you Albanians to prove your extraordinary claims, we Greeks don't need to prove anything....And you're entitled to your own extraordinary claims and opinions based on your own up bringing or for your own personal political agendas which is not based on facts. Where did you Albanians really come from ? ? ? .
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Post by donnie on Aug 16, 2010 2:15:04 GMT -5
You're seriously that retarded you cannot even grasp what we're discussing? LOL. A hint; this wasnt a discussion about Illyrians
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Post by Arxileas on Aug 16, 2010 2:20:08 GMT -5
Donnie it would be nice to show us some actual Albanian writing from the era, was it "1500 ad" you showed me ? rather show us Latin....wasn't the Albanian language in existence back then ? Or was it another language, enlighten me please. Because i find none in existence....! Only recently...Help me donnie ! You know language is an indicator of continuity.... Insulting people is a sign of weakness or suffering from huge inferior complexes. .
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Aug 16, 2010 3:24:30 GMT -5
Donnie ignore Arxileas (a.k.a greek hghduke), he is just kid and has 0 knowledge about history and debate.
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Post by Patrinos on Aug 16, 2010 5:00:30 GMT -5
Eva don't waste your breath... they believe that because thats what their parents and grandfathers told them... it's not written in any books... that we know of... LOL, you just said my analysis was "interesting" and now it's "dont waste your breath Eva" .. make up your mind Kanaris. And as I said earlier, theyre very much Greeks, and theyve considered themselves as such for some time. I recognize their Greekness. But history cannot be ignored for that fact, and I choose to not ignore it for two reasons; 1) to dispel the myth of Greek continuity since antiquity. There were ancient and medieval Greek settlements in the area, true, but they were long gone before these new Greeks came along. 2) To fvck around with himariotes who think they're pure Greeks like Pyrros Dimas, Bolanos or other douchebags ;D Look at the names of quarteers of the three Greek-speaking villages of Himara and Dhermi-Palase and compare them to the Moslem village of Kuci; Himara; Dhimaleksi, Dhimroku, Gjinlula, Gjinuci, Gjipeci, Gjobashi, Gjodedas, Gjojashe, Gjondhimitri, Gjovarfi, Gjovlashi, Likoka Dhermi-Palase; Cukenidha, Dukshoku, Dukxhema, Gjikandrucaj, Gjikdeda, Gjikuria, Gjileka, Gjinoci, Gjinocura, Gjondushi, Gjothajka, Kolgjoni, Kotava, Lekdushi, Cacgjoka, Dhikura, Gjondeda, Gjonkali, Nikdeda, Stratbilla Kuci; Gjokoni, Gjoklagji, Gjoveshi, Duksholla, Njonreci, Zakonika, Gjiguma, Gjihila, Gjikuta, Gjimuci, Gjipali, Gjitodhri, Gjodhima, Gjohelmi, Gjokbardhi, Gjokndrere, Gjomita, Gjomreshka, Gjomolla, Gjipllumi, Lagjinreu, Gjokgjine, Krismokoqurku, Gjolagjaj These are typical Albanian compositions of names that are still found in the Catholic north, Gjileka from Dhermi comes from Gjin Leka, John Alexander; Gjovarfi from Himara comes from Gjon Varfi, possibly Varfri, meaning John the poor; Kolgjoni from Dhermi-Palase comes from Kole Gjoni, Nicholas John etc. Interestingly one of the quarteers in Moslem Kuc is named Gjiguma, i.e. Gjin Guma, John Guma, or Goumas as the Greeks would say. There is a great possibility that that the first Guma patriarch came from the village of Kuc and settled in Himara, as this region was rich in movements. Likewise the quarteer of Lekdushi in Dhermi-Palase could get its name from immigrants who came from the village of Lekdush near Mallakaster. The Bollanos are definetely from Kurvelesh, where Ngadhnjyesi is from, they settled in Himara during the 1700s. Again donnie with his semi-literate style. Surnames can say almost nothing about Himariotes ethnic and linguistic background. Take for example the arvanitophones Arvanites. Most of them had/have Greek surnames : Kountouriotis, Mavromatis, Anagnostis, Meletis, etc etc. Take a look here, the complete list of the surnames of the Arvanites Spetsiotes in 19th century: greek-lastnames.blogspot.com/2010/04/1868.html Himariotes, simply ended up to live in a tourkalbanian sea and of course had influences from these dirty Labs. Hopefully Himariotes weren't pussies like their neighboring albo dirty hungry types and resisted to the Turks and their Islamic influence managing to preserve their ancient language in their ancient town and surroundings.
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Post by Kanaris on Aug 16, 2010 5:48:04 GMT -5
Donnie can you continue with no insults? Oh, and please stop obfuscating your posts with silly sir names .... One doesn't have to go far to prove something.. those people feel Greek and Greek they are..just like you you feel Albanian even though you're a Turk..to each his own.
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Post by emily33 on Aug 16, 2010 6:17:06 GMT -5
I don't think that's possible kanaris. All they can do is insult.
I show them an article on how turks slaughtered them and they defend themselves on it...'we choose who we want' blah blah.
Reminds me of Mexicans bitching about anglos but it was the Spaniards that screwed their whole culture and people up. Finally got an answer from one...'well, if we admit to hating the spaniards, we admit to hating ourselves' same concept...
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Post by logjiktek on Aug 16, 2010 7:53:41 GMT -5
This propaganda against the greek minority must stop who reproduce by the albanian media,newspaper and albanian shoolbooks and by the albanians authorities. This propaganda must be fought with measures that will hit the problem at its root. We urge the Albanian Government to take the following measures: Removal of Police Officers: Immediate removal of all police officers serving in the police station Himara. Involved in concealing the murder of Aristotle and the image that was broadcast during the first hours after the incident. Also systematically conceal violence against members of the Greek ethnic minority in the region of Himara. 2. Placing public notices in Greek: Placement in the whole area of Himara bilingual public signs in Albanian and Greek. This is an obligation of Albania under the Convention - A Framework for minorities who have signed.The placement of signs will be a formal message to all visitors in Himara the an rest of Albania, that the area resident citizens who belong to the Greek national minority. 3.Remove recognized minority areas: Albanian practice of arbitrary distinction between "qualified minority areas" and elsewhere, a purely Greek, such as Himara the Korce and Përmet whose inhabitants are "Albanians" must end soon. It is an issue that refers to divisions of the Hoxha era. 4. Greek language in public administration: public administration aimed at Himara should use the letters of the Greek language. No administrative or judicial act on residents Himara will not run if it is not written in Greek. 5.Creation of office to protect the Ethnic Greek Minority: Due to the increased number of incidents of violence in the region of Himara office calling for the creation of minority protection to be installed in the town of Himara. This office should be under the supervision of the OSCE High and staffed by personnel selected by the OSCE will be paid from the Albanian government. Παραδόθηκε ο δράστης της δολοφονίας του Αριστοτέλη Γκούμαgianniotis.blogspot.com/2010/08/blog-post_16.htmlLOL. You guys want what? You Greeks have no right to advise other countries on minority rights. Hoxha should of done what Greece did and either expel the Greek population or claim there was no Greeks in Albania.
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Post by Kastorianos on Aug 16, 2010 8:10:44 GMT -5
I see the kosovarian moon-face is b.itching around again...he forgot that he is in no position to make claims...the albanian nation is 98 years old...everything before that...was either Greek or Turkish. Albanians are an artificial nation just like the Bosnians...or "Macedonians"... Be glad you are recognized as an independent nation today...both times in 1912 and 2008 your independence was only created to weaken other Balkan countries...two puppet states and peoples to the core....you better dont talk large.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Aug 16, 2010 8:20:24 GMT -5
Dude, when albanians were as nation you greeks lived as slaves in Syria and Asia Minor...modern Greece was full of albanians, slavs, turks and vllachs...everyone scholar said in XVIII-XIX century about youR fake people "greeks", read history of your country before XIX century.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 16, 2010 8:36:02 GMT -5
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Post by zoti on Aug 16, 2010 9:21:48 GMT -5
How sad that a human tragedy has to be politicized to such a degree. I don't understand what are you Greeks trying to achieve in Himara? You really think you can turn Himara into another "Kosova"? Himara-fshat is a village of no more than 5,000 souls.
And trying to pick a fight with Vlora is probably the worst idea ever. You will never hear the end of it. No Greek government can shield the Himariote 365 days from Vlora's wrath.
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Post by mansterofsouli on Aug 16, 2010 9:38:53 GMT -5
^^^^ The Greek military could send three hundred soldiers into Xeimarra and the Alboz would be running for the hills. Luckily Greece is a good neighbor and seeking good relations as E.U guidelines require.
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Post by mansterofsouli on Aug 16, 2010 9:41:09 GMT -5
Dude, when albanians were as nation you greeks lived as slaves in Syria and Asia Minor...modern Greece was full of albanians, slavs, turks and vllachs...everyone scholar said in XVIII-XIX century about youR fake people "greeks", read history of your country before XIX century. Yes, and you became Muslims.... so you were not treated as slaves. Also just to point it out to you Albanians or Slavs or Turks certainly were never a majority in modern day Greek territory. And Vlachs call themselves Greeks go figure. ;D ;D
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Post by zoti on Aug 16, 2010 9:41:14 GMT -5
^^^^ The Greek military could send three hundred soldiers into Xeimarra and the Alboz would be running for the hills. In what reality would a NATO member attack another NATO member? Are you that clueless?
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Post by drinus123 on Aug 16, 2010 9:48:50 GMT -5
that would just give a pretext for turkey to invade greece. and himara would be ethnically cleansed in a week by chams and kosovars. i dont think that situation would be good for either side.
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Post by mansterofsouli on Aug 16, 2010 9:52:48 GMT -5
^^^^ The Greek military could send three hundred soldiers into Xeimarra and the Alboz would be running for the hills. In what reality would a NATO member attack another NATO member? Are you that clueless? You don't think that could happen? ARE YOU REALLY THAT CLUELESS? Fk NATO.
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Post by mansterofsouli on Aug 16, 2010 9:53:03 GMT -5
that would just give a pretext for turkey to invade greece. and himara would be ethnically cleansed in a week by chams and kosovars. i dont think that situation would be good for either side. How funny, you openly admit that your ass buddies with the Turks. And that situation would open up an invasion of Turkey from Russia, Armenia, Greece, Kurds, Cyprus, and a few others. Hey, I am just saying. I thought Albania was a big tough warrior nation? Can you fight your own war?
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Post by drinus123 on Aug 16, 2010 9:56:25 GMT -5
i don't think greece is that important as to start a world war. In which case united states would be involved and own them all.
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Post by drinus123 on Aug 16, 2010 10:01:06 GMT -5
that would just give a pretext for turkey to invade greece. and himara would be ethnically cleansed in a week by chams and kosovars. i dont think that situation would be good for either side. Hey, I am just saying. I thought Albania was a big tough warrior nation? Can you fight your own war? If Greece was 28,000 sq km and 3 million people. We would own you any minute.
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