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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 10, 2011 8:11:00 GMT -5
Ok here you go: The early Kyrgyz lived in the upper Yenisey River valley, central Siberia. Chinese and Muslim sources of the 7thЦ12th centuries AD describe the Kyrgyz as red-haired with fair complexion and green (blue) eyes. First appearing in Chinese records of the Grand Historian as Gekun or Jiankun, and later as part of the Tiele tribes, they were once under the rule of Gokturks and Uyghurs.here is some more Li Ling's Xiongnu descendants became part of the Xiajiasi/Jiankun Kingdom. The people of Xiajiasi were described in the 1060 historical work New Chronicles of the Tang Dynasty as "tall, red-haired, ... green-eyed; they regard black hair as inauspicious, and say that those with black eyes are descendants of Ling..."11 Xiongnu means Oghuz in Chinese. Care to comment ? To assimilate there must have been some Turks around isn't that correct? whereas during the time Ataturks family lived there, Turks were not the majority Exactly correct, so, if Ataturks family was living in a mainly Greek/Bulgarian/Albanian area, why the heck would they be speaking Turkish? Who assimilated them the invisible Turks? Care to show me where in Balkan history the whole of the Balkans assimilated and all spoke Turkish AT HOME as their ethnic language? Looks like you also don't frequent any history lectures too.
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Post by odel on May 10, 2011 11:08:06 GMT -5
You mean these Kyrgyz? www.bu.edu/globalbeat/jpg/kyrgyz-opposition.jpgAryans indeed! Yes, what factor could have made this assimilation occur? Oh, the Ottoman empire. Assimilation doesn't require that there's a huge influx of foreign people there to assimilate them, actually factors such as a foreign Empire taking over is a much stronger factor concerning assimilation. I wasn't talking about the whole Balkans being assimilated, this is about local Balkanites being assimilated not the whole peninsula. The invisible Turks? No. The one's that had taken over most of the Balkans? Yes. Either you lack reading comprehension, or you're just trying to divert from the subject. Parts of the local populations were assimilated, often not against their will but because it gave them some advantages, some felt strongly Muslim and therefore also felt closer to the Turks, some felt that being a Turk was better (being Sheherli) and other factors as well.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 10, 2011 11:44:52 GMT -5
So you don't want to comment on the Chinese records that clearly show you how ignorant you are in regards to Turks and their diversity in physical appearance. Instead you post a picture of Kirghiz people with dark eyes and hair... how very intelligent By the way just to clarify, nobody here is claiming Turks to be Aryans or anything else that gives u a hard on, I am just saying that Turks are diverse and can be of different colouring. Until you have evidence proving otherwise... stop talking like you matter.In regards to assimilation, the Ottoman empire was administration, many Turks didn't speak Osmanlica, they spoke Turkce. The official language of the empire with Osmanlica, a completely different language to the Turkish spoken by Yoruks such as Ataturks family. Therefore your "excuse" isn't relevant. Oh please just stop fraffing about and admit you don't know much about the language spoken in Macedonia at the time Ataturk lived there. Ataturks whole village where he was born were "Konya Karaman Yoruk Turks" the Albanians had their own villages, the Greeks and Bulgarians had their own villages too. Ataturk in his OWN WORDS describes himself as a Yoruk Turk. So unless you have something real that disproves what he says, join the Albanian claiming train ... no one takes them seriously too.
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on May 10, 2011 12:10:40 GMT -5
UMMM, if you see the medieval paintings' depiction of the Turks...they had Asian features, their eyes especially.
I studied 4 years at the Mehmet Akif Ersoy koleji in Tirana (that's where I learned Turkish), and it was common knowledge among my proffessors that anyone who was blond or red-haired originated from the Balkans. The physics teacher especially looked like a Norse lol
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Post by coris on May 10, 2011 13:10:57 GMT -5
Desire, I hate to say this but nearly all "pure turks" display asian features, in other words slightly darker skin, black eyes and black hair. No matter what you say, I live in Turkey and trust me every one I know who looks european does have european blood in them. My two best friend both have brown hair, coloured eyes and fair skin and they are both caucasian. No-one will believe that there were redhead turks living in asia etc. I have seen blonde hair on several kurds but only their hair colour is european they are almost always dark skinned. I think that nearly everyone will agree to the fact that Atatürk's origins are from the balkans. I am not saying that he was albanian/serb/greek etc. He is turkish but not ethnically. You say that he expressed his origins as yörüks but do you honestly think that, facing all those opposition, he could classify himself an albanian? However, he felt turkish and there is no doubt that he earned his title more than any other turk.
By the way, about assimilation, I think, in order to assimilate someone you don't always need to force them. It is a gradual process that takes a long time but eventually it succeeds. They were living closer to Istanbul and macedonia as crowded with soldiers because army barracks was in manastır. Albanians living in Albania may not know or speak turkish but people living with so many turks could learn it easily. Believe me, my family has been there:) My grand-mother tells me that when she was a young girl, her parents would scold her for being friends with turks and here I am not knowing a word of Albanian... People get assimilated, just like Atatürk's family's case.
Also, I do not understand this Konya thing... It appears that nearly every balkan turk went there from konya? I know that ottoman empire sent people to the balkans from konya but that many? I argued with a guy who was claiming that muhammed ali pasha was a türkmen from konya... And all those tosk speakers of eygpt were his mercenaries...
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Post by odel on May 10, 2011 13:12:41 GMT -5
You're talking as if I was cherry-picking that picture... Also, concerning the Chinese records, I would like to look at the source for that, it's either fake or it's just something that can't really be relied on as there were exaggerations and etc. And seriously, making comments like "ur ignorant lol" all the time for small things like that shows how petty you are and how much I'm touching at your deep complexity to show that "Turks can be blonde too1!1!1! lol".
Aryans give hard ons? Oh u. Sure, I agree however, Turks are diverse but that only makes my arguement of blonde features being foreign stronger. Which they are, blonde features in Turks comes from Europeans and mostly from Balkaners (who themselves aren't that often blonde, Turks 100x less).
You write like utter ghetto trash, I bet you are in real life too.
As I was saying, becoming Turks had it's advantages and becoming Turks could be lucrative for the poor locals. However, I'd like you to show me anything that shows me that Osmanlica and Turkce are soooo different. From what I know the main difference is that Osmanlica didn't have a vocabulary as pure as Turkce, something Ataturk dealt with.
A lot of the Turks in Macedonia were assimilated locals, mostly Albanians and this is a fact you will have to accept. Ataturk's word isn't that very important really, for who would have wanted a leader of foreign blood? Typical ghetto-Turkish trash response.
Lol, I have actually given you some sources for my claims. You? Nothing but blabbering.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 10, 2011 16:59:07 GMT -5
So because it doesn't fit your immature view on Turks, it must be fake or unreliable.... Typical ignorant response. Not even a counter source. How very ehem Albanian of you the original Turks were known to have coloured eyes and light hair, it is recorded in the Chinese ancient records. It may be hard for you to intelligently digest such simple information at this point in your development, therefore, don't go on about it. And your opinion about me matters because....? OMG that response is enough. The fact you are extremely ignorant about osmanlica and Turkce, about settlements and historical assimilation.. i don't even need to write anything here, the readers who are informed on the subject themselves can see how little you know. Ataturks word is not important? really because an "Albanian" has said otherwise .. yea, ok then lol. Turks are the most mixed nation in the region, perhaps with Greece being a good second. ALL of our leaders are OF FOREIGN BLOOD. You really are childish and silly. Lol, I have actually given you some sources for my claims. You? Nothing but blabbering. [/quote] lol... carry on playing in your sandpit sweety... ignorance is bliss ...
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 10, 2011 18:46:36 GMT -5
UMMM, if you see the medieval paintings' depiction of the Turks...they had Asian features, their eyes especially. I studied 4 years at the Mehmet Akif Ersoy koleji in Tirana (that's where I learned Turkish), and it was common knowledge among my proffessors that anyone who was blond or red-haired originated from the Balkans. The physics teacher especially looked like a Norse lol I have never seen an Albanian with redhair, unless its dyed. We are not discussing features, we are discussing colouring. If you really believe that all original Turks had jet black hair and eyes you are truly mistaken, since in history the lightness of their eyes and colouring of their hair is what distinguished them from the mongolians and other asiatic peoples.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 10, 2011 19:02:01 GMT -5
Desire, I hate to say this but nearly all "pure turks" display asian features, in other words slightly darker skin, black eyes and black hair. No matter what you say, I live in Turkey and trust me every one I know who looks european does have european blood in them. My two best friend both have brown hair, coloured eyes and fair skin and they are both caucasian. No-one will believe that there were redhead turks living in asia etc. I have seen blonde hair on several kurds but only their hair colour is european they are almost always dark skinned. I think that nearly everyone will agree to the fact that Atatürk's origins are from the balkans. I am not saying that he was albanian/serb/greek etc. He is turkish but not ethnically. You say that he expressed his origins as yörüks but do you honestly think that, facing all those opposition, he could classify himself an albanian? However, he felt turkish and there is no doubt that he earned his title more than any other turk. By the way, about assimilation, I think, in order to assimilate someone you don't always need to force them. It is a gradual process that takes a long time but eventually it succeeds. They were living closer to Istanbul and macedonia as crowded with soldiers because army barracks was in manastır. Albanians living in Albania may not know or speak turkish but people living with so many turks could learn it easily. Believe me, my family has been there:) My grand-mother tells me that when she was a young girl, her parents would scold her for being friends with turks and here I am not knowing a word of Albanian... People get assimilated, just like Atatürk's family's case. Also, I do not understand this Konya thing... It appears that nearly every balkan turk went there from konya? I know that ottoman empire sent people to the balkans from konya but that many? I argued with a guy who was claiming that muhammed ali pasha was a türkmen from konya... And all those tosk speakers of eygpt were his mercenaries... Coris, black eyes signify that they are not "pure" because "pure" Turks didn't have black eyes. Black hair is also not "pure" Turkish, if their is such a thing. I am stating here that historically speaking, going by what is recorded, Turks had light hair and light coloured eyes. Actually I lived in Turkey for 5 years almost and only recently came back to London for a while, therefore I also know many people with light hair and eyes who are in fact of Yoruk origin. I myself have a very mixed ancestry, you can find any colour of hair and eyes in my family due to the huge mix. However, this doesn't mean that Yoruks and other Turks are of Balkan ancestry because they are green eyed with blonde or red hair. Ataturk claimed to be a Yoruk Turkmen, he came from a Turkish village, he claimed his family to be descendants of the Karaman Konya Yoruks. His family all spoke Turkish. What opposition was Ataturk facing in regards to his ethnicity that he would have to hide? The Ottomans ran a non racial ship, it was religion based, Ataturk was the one who actually empowered the word "Turk". Yet, without any sources, or hard evidence you claim he was of Balkan descent? To be honest, I wouldn't care if he was half italian and half congolese, who am I to judge, I just dislike people giving "heresay" as factual evidence. In regards to assimilation, Albanians in Turkey still proudly call themselves "Arnavut" after 500 years of Ottoman Rule and almost 90 years of the Turkish Republic. That is a good thing. Ataturk didn't call himself that, he called himself a Turk. However if it makes you feel good to think he is of Albanian descent, go for it. Konya was where a lot of migration to and from occurred, not only to the Balkans but also to Cyprus. They sent the Turks to the Balkans and took the Balkan people to Konya, they swapped and mixed over 500 years, until you cannot define who is who anymore.
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Post by odel on May 11, 2011 15:36:20 GMT -5
Oh, you haven't? Well I have, my mother is a redhead actually, there's some other persons in my family with red hair and I've seen Albanians with it, it's not that uncommon in Southerners and even Arsenije commented on this. My view isn't immature, I'd say it's rather yours that is, you're trying to tell me that the Turks somehow were a predominantly blonde people even though the Turks never were known for this. Your proof for this is some unreliable documents that you haven't even bothered given a source for To make your arguements appear stronger, stop repeating the "ur ignorant lolz" that's not an arguement and it makes you look petty. Btw, I don't need a counter source telling that the Turks were dark, that explains itself very well. The original Turks were not known to have light pigment, that's not anything that is widely known and accepted, anywhere except in your theories that is. And again, I'd like to see this ancient Chinese record that even if it were an actual document describing the Chinese as such, would still be very unreliable. Even the Tartars and the Huns were described as short and dark, and they certainly were closely related to the Turks. Again, ad hominem's won't help you much, trying to argue that you're right because you're right and that the opposition is stupid and therefore also wrong is not a very strong arguement. Why shouldn't I go on about it? Do you really have such a large complex about this? It doesn't matter, however, the way you respond shows that you're not comfortable with it. Not because an Albanian says so but because you can't rely on what Ataturk said simply because it was important for him to prove that he was as Turkish as possible. Again, you're not able to argue for your point of view. Turks are the most mixed nation in the region which you have admited before, which is true not only for Turkey but for most of the former empires too. Why are you then even trying to discuss this? You admit yourself that it's a mixed nation but still you can't fathom the fact that blonde features in Turks is because of European influence which isn't even discussable and if Ataturk was purely Turkish or not (which is discussable). Again, an ad hominem from you. Good arguement that really proves me wrong! If darker features aren't Turkish then what is? LOL. And whom did the Turks mix with that were so dark that the predominantly blonde Turks became a predominantly swarthy people? Also, I didn't say that it was Balkan ancestry necessarily (who themselves aren't predominantly blonde and never were, there's of course some of the original Anatolian pre-Turkish genes, Caucasian people, different European people such as Celtics and etc. Anyways, I'm not that into discussing Ataturk's origins as although I don't believe he's a full blooded Turkman he considered himself Turkish, and it's all speculation. It's the Blonde Turkmen that really is what's bothering me.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 11, 2011 20:20:56 GMT -5
No, it cannot be, your mother must be Irish. =This is using your logic. I have given you the sources, I actually found out about those sources at the Turks exhibition held in London, therefore, I cannot give you a "mickypedia" link as you are probably accustomed too. However,,, Blonds in the Far East and American Northwest By Prof. Phillip Bonner Is a good article to read if you want to -sigh- educate yourself. I get bored or debating with ignorant people, especially those who blindly deny any information given to them as "fake" if it doesn't agree with their views... Also 1939, Oxford University Press = Early Empires of Central Asia by William McGovern Has lots of useful information regarding ancient Turks. An extract from the article: From 1644 to 1911, China was ruled by a Eurasian people called the Manchus. There were only one million Manchus. They spoke a language related to Turkish and Mongolian. They usually had white skins. Their features were a mixture of white and mongoloid. Boris Yeltsin, Lenin, Kemal Ataturk and the WWII Japanese Prime Minister Tojo are examples of this Eurasian type. From the book: McGovern states, “It so happens, however, that the Chinese have a tradition that the ancient Kirghis were decidedly blond in appearance, or, as the Chinese say, were tall with white skin, red hair and green eyes.”The T’ang period falls outside the framework of the present studies. I mention only in passing the Europoid ‘Tokharians,’ depicted with their red hair and green eyes on the wall paintings in northern Hsin-chiang . . . The barbarian horsemen from Yu-chou in a poem by Li Po, probably Turks, had green eyes. Even later the Chinese know of Mongol Huang t’ou Shih-wei, ‘Shih-wei with the yellow heads,’ and Genghis Khan and his descendants had blond or reddish hair and deep-blue eyes.So now, go ahead and contest, Andrew Mango, William McGovern, Prof Phillip Bonner and such... these are just some of my sources... I am bored of this conversation, if historians say so, anthropologists, professors, ancient records say so,, I think you denying it is just being silly really As I said before you're being childish. If you have something worth reading that could possibly change my mind or add a different source with counter information, then please do go ahead, if you do not then please do go away. I am not interested in your opinion, as you don't have any real knowledge about this subject. Also I have been researching this subject for years now... Yes I am fully aware that people in Turkey have a massive amount of non Turk ancestry, many people are aware of their family history. Many people also have a very clear historical account of their lineages... especially the Yoruks, the Zaza's and the Alevi's since they DO NOT marry outside of their type. If Ataturk said he was a Yoruk, you can say all you want, but truth is he looks nothing like an Albanian.. especially the shape of his head and his features. He is a Yoruk Turk. End of story. I don't think you will have anything more to add... but pigs could fly...
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Post by odel on May 12, 2011 7:52:09 GMT -5
No, she's not as my logic only applies to Turks, Albanians are European and mostly of the same genetic origin as most Europeans, the Irish and the Brits accumulated a stronger tendency towards red hair and that's that. You however are trying to argue that an Asian people were predominantly light, which is something completely else.
Lol, some exhibition is your source? Also, of course I'd like a link as you are the one that claimed to have knowledge of such a document you most likely would be able to direct me to it too. However, the fact that you got it at some exhibition tells me how reliable it is.
As for Blondes in the Far East, they were IE peoples known as Tocharians. I've actually read some articles on that and genetic tests found out that the local Turkic peoples that lived there and claimed to be the descendants of these people were wrong, they were not related to these peoples. They took DNA from the mummies and compared them to the local population.
I'm not the one assuming that my views are right all the time, if you'd actually bring me some good arguements and some factual sources and such I could change my mind, however you haven't been able to do so, you've only been able to call me ignorant and tell me that my views are wrong, fact is you're not very good at arguements and you're not as enlightened as you would like to be (quite far away from it actually).
Telling me that I'm ignorant will only make you seem that much more desperate and it won't make a strong point for your views, again, refrain from the "I'm right and I know it, everyone else that doesn't agree are ignorant" attitude.
Lol, again this is isn't something supported by anyone, and it itself mentions that IE peoples are the reason for these blonde traits, the article is highly unscientific even. Btw, anthropologically, Tojo doesn't show European admixture and neiter Ataturk, Yeltsin or Lenin show Asian admixture, the latter ones are simply east-Baltids, rather extreme cases of borealization according to anthropology. Concerning the Manchus, look at any deciption of the Manchu peoples and they are all Asian. They're btw the 3rd largest ethnic group in China.
Again, that isn't anything to rely on, were all the ancient Kirghis like that? And basing the appearance of the ancient Kirghis on oral tradition isn't very much to rely on.
Also, let's say that they were somewhat right, there was a people in their proximity that actually were like that, still doesn't mean that they didn't mistake these predominantly blonde peoples for the Kirghis. These peoples were most likely Tocharians, and there's no one supporting this, this is as factual and has as much support as the average conspiracy theory.
Again, these historians (anthropologists? Which?) (ancient records? nothing you've shown me.) and so on are basically to history what conspiracy theorists are, they have alternate points of views that aren't much supported.
If you have something worth reading that could possibly change my mind or add a different source with counter information, then please do go ahead, if you do not then please do go away. I am not interested in your opinion, as you don't have any real knowledge about this subject.
Yeah yeah, stop bulls**ting. He's not a Yoruk Turk, a Turk however he was as he identified as such, genetically that's a no no however.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 12, 2011 8:17:26 GMT -5
As I said earlier, I am not interested in yourr opinion. You are blindly fraffing about, trying to disprove me with what? "absolutely nothing" I haven't even mentioned the Kipchak Turks. Here is an opld link of the BIGGEST and most informative exhibition ever held about Turks in the world that you called "some exhibition" www.turks.org.uk/index.php?pid=12enjoy your day, I request until you actually have some kind of source, or fact to back up your Albinion - typical Albanian stubborn no facts opinion. Than do not continue your clowning about here. good day.
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Post by coris on May 12, 2011 10:20:12 GMT -5
I don't understand your "ancient turks were blond" arguement desire. You said that you lived in turkey for 5 years, well I have lived there 18 years and trust me, any european-looking dude is in fact of european lineage. I am not saying that turks are as dark as arabs, I know they aren't. However, it would be wrong to say that they are fair, green eyed and blonde. Anyone visiting Turkey will agree with me on this. I don't care what that historian says, I clearly know more about ancient turk's physical features than he does. For example, pay a visit to the countries where turkic people live today, I will be amazed if you run into a blonde/redhead dude with green eyes.
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Post by odel on May 12, 2011 11:46:53 GMT -5
As I said earlier, I am not interested in yourr opinion. You are blindly fraffing about, trying to disprove me with what? "absolutely nothing" I haven't even mentioned the Kipchak Turks. Here is an opld link of the BIGGEST and most informative exhibition ever held about Turks in the world that you called "some exhibition" www.turks.org.uk/index.php?pid=12enjoy your day, I request until you actually have some kind of source, or fact to back up your Albinion - typical Albanian stubborn no facts opinion. Than do not continue your clowning about here. good day. Oh fuck off, I'm not the stubborn one here, I'm not trying to prove that an originally Asian people were actually blondes. I don't need any sources, common sense and common knowledge is enough. Having shitty sources doesn't make your case any stronger though. You using a guy that spouts of garbage like this makes your credibility really small: Seriously, you have issues.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 12, 2011 13:57:13 GMT -5
I am not trying to prove originally asian people were blonde, I am saying that there are records of ancient Turks being blonde recorded by the Chinese. This must really cut you up The people i have used here are all credible sources. You however have only used yourself, and really, you aren't the brightest of the bunch it seems, just go on with your life, don't complicate it with issues you aren't familiar with.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 12, 2011 14:11:06 GMT -5
I don't understand your "ancient turks were blond" arguement desire. You said that you lived in turkey for 5 years, well I have lived there 18 years and trust me, any european-looking dude is in fact of european lineage. I am not saying that turks are as dark as arabs, I know they aren't. However, it would be wrong to say that they are fair, green eyed and blonde. Anyone visiting Turkey will agree with me on this. I don't care what that historian says, I clearly know more about ancient turk's physical features than he does. For example, pay a visit to the countries where turkic people live today, I will be amazed if you run into a blonde/redhead dude with green eyes. Have I said that in Turkey you will run into a majority of green eyed blonde people anywhere here? I am stating that it is a fact that some ancient Turks were blonde, that Yoruks are well known to be Oghuz Turk descendants and are blonde, and Ataturk in his own word said he is a Yoruk Turk, and he was blonde.... anyone see the pattern here? there are people who do have green eyes and blonde hair in turkey who ARE NOT of Balkan ancestry. There are others who are. Why is this so hard to digest? If you don't care what Historians, anthropologists, journalists, professors etc say, that really is your own downfall.. good luck with that. If you are trying to say Turkey is not a mixed country and that EVERYONE is black haired and black eyed, you are certainly a liar. ever been to eskisehir have you? I have seen lots of tatars with Green eyes, I have met Yoruk turks with green eyes... none of them have Balkan ancestry... so whatever man... Turks also do not have dark eyes generally, they have light brown, honey brown, to dark brownish, but hardly ever black, their hair is also not often Black unles they have Arabic or Kurdish ancestry hadee
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 12, 2011 14:12:11 GMT -5
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Post by Hellenas on May 12, 2011 15:09:54 GMT -5
Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning is right there are some blonde Mongoloid Turks with Nordic admixture. The Turks who invaded eastern Russia, on the other hand, belonged rather to the Kirghiz type, which is a Mongol-Turkoman-Nordic mixture.carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-17.htmBlonde Mongol. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk Blonde Albanian. Both blonde Turks and blonde Albanians are inferior and barbarians by birth as well. The origin of Nordics is Africa.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 12, 2011 15:26:06 GMT -5
Hellenas,
You weren't very helpful and I think im going to have to clean this topic up of the rubbish, since many people input but they don't have any solid information.
However I am aware that the Turks (ancient) had a policy of taking under them many different groups of people as they encountered them. Perhaps a meeting with celtics somewhere gave them the light colouring.
All i know is, is that there is proof about this, rather than little boys here trying to tell me otherwise "because they think so".
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