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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 29, 2010 20:38:04 GMT -5
South Slavic Union
The South Slavic Union was a late 19th to early 20th century idea of a federation encompassing all South Slavic states.
History
Following the weakening of the Ottoman Empire prior to World War I, Serbia and Bulgaria had gained independence and were looking to form a greater entity that would strengthen their international position. Disputes over territorial possessions within the federation, however, resulted in the Balkan Wars and World War I. Hostilities diminished and the movement was reinvigorated during the inter-war period, after several more states had gained independence as a result of the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The planned South Slavic Union would have encompassed all of what later became the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, plus Greater Bulgaria. Some also hinted toward incorporation of Albania into the South Slavic Union, since a big portion of it was already within the borders of Serbia, as the autonomous republic of Kosovo. The original plan was to include all of Greater Bulgaria as well, which features all of present-day Bulgarian territory, plus expansions to the North (Romanian-controlled Dobrudzha and Northern Black Sea coast), the Southeast (Ottoman-controlled Odrine territories) and South (Greek Controlled Aegean Coast). It was agreed that Macedonia was to be included in the federation as an autonomous republic, thus the controversy as to which state should incorporate it was settled. Eventually, as Europe was on its way to World War II, Western Slavic people realized that the suggested by Eastern Slavs (Bulgarians) Eastern Borders of the South Slavic Union, or Greater Bulgaria would never come to reality. The temptation of the South Slavic Union having an Aegean coast and greater Black Seas coast, was seen as unrealistic by them. The Union was to be a democratic federation of states, which would have a great amount of autonomy, however, a dispute arose between Serbia and Bulgaria as to where the capital should be - Sofia or Belgrade. In the end, Serbia and Bulgaria could not agree on which should be the dominant power in the union, even though given the nature of the union, that question would not have arisen, but realists claim that power politics played a greater role in this case. Bulgaria would have had significantly more territory and possibly controlled all the Black Sea and Aegean ports of the country, while a Serbian-dominated West would have had a higher population, and greater say over the Adriatic coast and Northwestern affairs. In addition, smaller South Slavic nations were not very fond of having a bipolar federation in which they would hold very little or now say. Eventually, the two countries agreed that such a union would not function well and would end up splitting up between Bulgaria and the Western Balkans, and decided not to form a federation. Instead, Yugoslavia was formed to incorporate only Southwestern Slavic nations.
Members
Had the South Slavic Union formed, the federation would have encompassed: Bulgaria, Serbia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Vojvodina, Kosovo and possibly Albania. It would have had a larger area than that of present-day Germany and a population of about 35 million people. It would have featured almost all of the Eastern Adriatic Coast, almost all of the Western Black Sea coast and a significant portion of the Aegean coast. It would have had a number of major cities, including Belgrade, Sofia, Sarejevo, Zagreb, Skopje, Plovdiv, Varna, Tirana, Podgorica, Ljubljana, etc.
As all of the aforementioned countries' economies are currently growing and all are either in or on the path to entry in the European Union, the idea of a South Slavic Union to be formed as a higher-integrated sub-entity within the European Union has been once again addressed. Due to the recent collapse of Yugoslavia, however, as well as Bulgarian-Macedonian tensions, resulting from different interpretations of history, as well as Bulgarian-Serbian tensions, resulting from the Kosovo war, such a sub-union is thought to not be possible at least for another few decades. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Slavic_Union
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Post by drinus123 on Nov 30, 2010 3:46:18 GMT -5
a south slavic union would make sense without albania and kosovo.
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Post by terroreign on Dec 1, 2010 1:42:01 GMT -5
Not really since North Albania and Kosovo are Serbian lands
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Post by srbobran on Dec 1, 2010 12:21:42 GMT -5
In this case, whether they're Serbian or not, the fact of the matter is with such a large powerful state that would be the result of a South Slavic union, Albania's opinion would be irrelevant.
Anyways, its shame Yugoslavia never worked out. Without Yugoslavia, the south Slavic states can never be anything more than petty EU vassals.
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Post by toskaliku on Dec 1, 2010 12:28:38 GMT -5
Not really since North Albania and Kosovo are Serbian lands Go to Shkoder queer, go ahead, go in a kafene in Shkoder and say that openly to an Albanian. I guarantee you that you will be lucky if you escape without a stab would. In fact, do as you do here, proclaim it loudly and openly to anyone in the street.
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Post by logjiktek on Dec 1, 2010 12:39:15 GMT -5
Q: What do you call a "Slavic Union"?
A: A rats nest.
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Post by terroreign on Dec 1, 2010 16:18:35 GMT -5
Not really since North Albania and Kosovo are Serbian lands Go to Shkoder queer, go ahead, go in a kafene in Shkoder and say that openly to an Albanian. I guarantee you that you will be lucky if you escape without a stab would. In fact, do as you do here, proclaim it loudly and openly to anyone in the street. And you go to Podgorica and say it's Albanian land, see how they'll respond pizdo jedna
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Post by toskaliku on Dec 1, 2010 17:52:56 GMT -5
Podgorica isnt Albanian and I couldnt care less about it. However, I can go to Ulqin and Tuzi to say it and Ill be welcomed.
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Post by terroreign on Dec 1, 2010 18:40:28 GMT -5
^Not according to your Bible-the Greater Albania Map!
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Post by toskaliku on Dec 1, 2010 18:47:13 GMT -5
I dont care what maps made by children say. I care about reality only.
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Post by drinus123 on Dec 1, 2010 22:10:18 GMT -5
In this case, whether they're Serbian or not, the fact of the matter is with such a large powerful state that would be the result of a South Slavic union, Albania's opinion would be irrelevant. Anyways, its shame Yugoslavia never worked out. Without Yugoslavia, the south Slavic states can never be anything more than petty EU vassals. Unions have to be voluntary for them to have a long life. If they are forced, they eventually fall. In such a hypothetical case, the opinion of 6 million is considerable. for a union in which its influence will still be small in world scale. you'd have to need all support you can get. Let alone such a union was already formed and already failed. Anyways,, wet dreams.
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Post by terroreign on Dec 1, 2010 23:47:26 GMT -5
I dont care what maps made by children say. I care about reality only. Okay. Adem Jashari is a child now. Check. Albanian nationalists are children now. Check. Toskali is a practical nationalist? How impressive!
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Post by toskaliku on Dec 2, 2010 14:02:14 GMT -5
Hmm... so an aggressive and powerful suprastate in the Balkans is coming to birth which grows irregardless of popular feelings within the territories it wants to incoporate? Sounds to me like a regional threat, time to call a regional power to make sure the territory remains nice and divided.
Dont discount the Albanian ability to always bring in powers to make sure Yugoslavs remain nice and divided, and exploitable.
I will do all I can to make sure, whenever possible, that not a single Alb inhabited piece of land ever has to lie in Slavic occupation. Im ready to give all my wages and future earnings, and entice every (wealthy) alb in america to give everything they have for that dream.
Thats all.
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Post by terroreign on Dec 3, 2010 0:53:37 GMT -5
^You should put your efforts into improving the s*ithole of a country you already have (Albania)
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Post by drinus123 on Dec 9, 2010 16:25:07 GMT -5
yeah because serbia is such a great place to be lol...
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Post by terroreign on Dec 10, 2010 17:40:30 GMT -5
^#3 Party city in Europe is Belgrade....I wouldn't say it's so bad
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Post by la3ar on Dec 11, 2010 19:23:50 GMT -5
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Post by ulf on Dec 12, 2010 6:23:59 GMT -5
Hell no! Greece, Albania, Croatia, small pieces of Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria sizable parts of Bosnia and Macedonia...wtf??? Why do we need all those non-Serbs?
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Post by srbobran on Dec 12, 2010 13:06:41 GMT -5
^Yeah, seriously, who the fuck came up with that map? I don't think I've come across a Serb (even the most radical) that would take Greater Serbia to that extreme.
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