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Post by terroreign on Dec 20, 2010 20:02:54 GMT -5
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Post by terroreign on Dec 20, 2010 20:06:03 GMT -5
So it is safe to say Serbs were present in the Balkans by 610 AD.
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Post by ioan on Dec 21, 2010 1:02:30 GMT -5
So it is safe to say Serbs were present in the Balkans by 610 AD. No, you are wrong. I did not see Serbs and year 610 in one sentance. So there is no proof for any serb presence at the time. Bulgars had its state RECOGNIZED officially by Byzantium in 681 (which would happen to the serbs couple of centuries later). Does that proove we were here in 5 century? Patrinos, there is a way to differenitiate Bulgarian and Serbo-croatian tribes by linguitic methods. Traits Old Bulgarian is characterised by a number of phonetic, morphological, syntactic and lexical traits (some of which are shared with other Slavic languages and some, such as the reflexes of *tj ([t']) and *dj ([d']), are typical only for Bulgarian), as follows: phonetic: very wide articulation of the Yat vowel (Ѣ); still preserved in the archaic Bulgarian dialect of the Rhodope mountains; Proto-Slavonic reflexes of *tj ([tʲ]) and *dj ([dʲ]): Proto-Slavic Old Church Slavonic Bulgarian Czech Macedonian Polish Russian Slovak Slovenian Serbian *dʲ ʒd ʒd z ɡʲ dz ʒ dz j dʑ *tʲ ʃt ʃt ts kʲ ts tɕ ts tʃ tɕ *ɡt/kt ʃt ʃt ts kʲ ts tɕ ts tʃ tɕ use of ra-, la- for the Proto-Slavic õr-, õl- use of s for the Proto-Slavic ch before the Proto-Slavic åi use of cv-, dzv- for the Proto-Slavic kv’-, gv’- morphosyntactic use of the dative possessive case in personal pronouns and nouns: ðѫêà òè; îòúïîóøòåíüå ãðѣõîìú; descriptive future tense using the verb õîòѣòè; use of the comparative form ìüíèè (smaller) to mean younger. use of suffixed demonastrative pronouns (òú, òà, òî). These developed later into suffixed definite articles. orthographical: original [û] and [úi] merged to [û] sometimes the use of letter '½' (dz) was unified with that of 'Ç' (z) verb forms naricają, naricaješi were substituted or alternated with naričą, naričeši lexical: use of words with proto-Bulgar (Turko-Iranian) origin, such as êóìèðú, êàïèùå, ÷ðüòîãú, áëúâàíú, etc. If the charateristics typical only for Bulgarian language are found in the slavic toponyms, it prooves they were inhabited by slavs from the Bulgarian group (not Serbo-croarian).
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 21, 2010 1:28:25 GMT -5
^ stop humiliating yourself Ioan, l'm begining to feel embarressed for you.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 21, 2010 3:39:40 GMT -5
Want me to stick my degree or my pay check into your albanian ass to be satisfied? its 23:45... i guess its the time your wife is at work, in the strip club, and you continue your malakia... Serb women are not like Albanian women (like your mother). Dont confuse things. Also, alvane, i see you stay pretty silent about your epic humiliation regarding PLEISTOS and LAOS. You are such a dirty hypocrite. Gutless, sneaky, deceiver, cheater, a disgrace for the Greek Ethnos (if you were greek, that is...) alvane.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 21, 2010 3:56:48 GMT -5
This albanian will do whatever (s)he can to downgrade the slavic influence in Greece. If you notice, he prefers the idea of certain, few, uncivilized unnamed slavs who simply got assimilated by the super-culture of the super-ancient super-byzantine super-greeks. The little prostitute has written in the past, unbelievable arguments to hide his birthplace's (Peloponese) slavic past. I can go on for ages with his mistakes, and his methods of deception, deviation, random personal insults, spinning over vicious circles, etc.... but i wont waste another minute with this albanian. Even in this very thread, he claimed that mi wife (being Serb-Slav) surely has to work in a strip club. Apparently this albanian clown, has not grasped the MIGHT and POWER of the Serbs!!!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 21, 2010 4:16:10 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 21, 2010 4:33:20 GMT -5
"its 23:45... i guess its the time your wife is at work, in the strip club, and you continue your malakia..."
Patrino brother, don't say that, l really hope you didn't mean to say this.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 21, 2010 4:40:25 GMT -5
Novi, you cannot expect from albanians to be your brothers. This dude hates your guts even more than the Tatars or the Ustasa. His hatred is of albanian-level : Not only he hates Serbs, he hates anything slavic. Every time he is muted and dont know what else to say he resorts to anti-slav personal insults.
He is being constantly outperformed, and his spoiled albanian ass cannot handle it.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 21, 2010 5:07:09 GMT -5
If the charateristics typical only for Bulgarian language are found in the slavic toponyms, it prooves they were inhabited by slavs from the Bulgarian group (not Serbo-croarian). The case of toponyms has been exhausted here, and at least in the case or Epirus, it has been shown that the toponyms have a direct Serbian phonology, but more importantly, the majority of the toponyms are found in a "AS-IS" basis, intact, in today's Krajina/Bosna/Serbia. So i guess the case for Epiros is complete. The only places with explicit bulgarian affiliation must have been the ones around rodopi, in eastern Thrace. I agree with that.
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 21, 2010 5:56:33 GMT -5
lol...Tsirigo is the way Venetians called Kythera ore paliopousta... How much did your woman earned lastnight? Does she give receipts after her special services?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 21, 2010 6:21:47 GMT -5
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 21, 2010 6:33:14 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 21, 2010 6:37:30 GMT -5
Serveika...well it means that a family named Servos first established there... one of the tens of hundreds of toponyms in Peloponnesos... There is even a village with -eika after my mother's family in Achaia...what does it mean ? that if they were Scots Peloponnisos would have Scotish past.... what about these: Grc Livade Serbia Grcaci Serbia Grcani Serbia Grcevci Serbia Grcka Mahala Serbia Grcka Mala Serbia Grcko Polje Serbia Grcko Polje Serbiawww.fallingrain.com/world/RI/a/G/r/chave you ever thought if your servakia have come out of some clients'...? are both kids with the same woman?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 21, 2010 6:53:50 GMT -5
have you ever thought if your servakia have come out of some clients'...? are both kids with the same woman? Your hatred leaves me in total apathy.
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 21, 2010 6:56:26 GMT -5
have you ever been at Grc Livade... is it a nice livadi?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 21, 2010 6:57:12 GMT -5
Servaiika city Serveika city Servia city Serviana city Servikón Metókhion city Servon city Servos city Servotá city Maybe this sounds better b1tch!!! HA HA whole VILLAGES/CITIES vs some unimportant neighborhoods, where apparently poor vlahs (like the father of this guy : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branislav_Nusic ) settled down and tried to have a new future, in a MUCH RICHER AND ADVANCED place like SERBIA...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 21, 2010 6:58:49 GMT -5
have you ever been at Grc Livade... is it a nice livadi? i dont know, i haven't sodomized any Patrinia there yet.
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 21, 2010 7:00:13 GMT -5
So it is safe to say Serbs were present in the Balkans by 610 AD. No, you are wrong. I did not see Serbs and year 610 in one sentance. So there is no proof for any serb presence at the time. Bulgars had its state RECOGNIZED officially by Byzantium in 681 (which would happen to the serbs couple of centuries later). Does that proove we were here in 5 century? Patrinos, there is a way to differenitiate Bulgarian and Serbo-croatian tribes by linguitic methods. Traits Old Bulgarian is characterised by a number of phonetic, morphological, syntactic and lexical traits (some of which are shared with other Slavic languages and some, such as the reflexes of *tj ([t']) and *dj ([d']), are typical only for Bulgarian), as follows: phonetic: very wide articulation of the Yat vowel (Ѣ); still preserved in the archaic Bulgarian dialect of the Rhodope mountains; Proto-Slavonic reflexes of *tj ([tʲ]) and *dj ([dʲ]): Proto-Slavic Old Church Slavonic Bulgarian Czech Macedonian Polish Russian Slovak Slovenian Serbian *dʲ ʒd ʒd z ɡʲ dz ʒ dz j dʑ *tʲ ʃt ʃt ts kʲ ts tɕ ts tʃ tɕ *ɡt/kt ʃt ʃt ts kʲ ts tɕ ts tʃ tɕ use of ra-, la- for the Proto-Slavic õr-, õl- use of s for the Proto-Slavic ch before the Proto-Slavic åi use of cv-, dzv- for the Proto-Slavic kv’-, gv’- morphosyntactic use of the dative possessive case in personal pronouns and nouns: ðѫêà òè; îòúïîóøòåíüå ãðѣõîìú; descriptive future tense using the verb õîòѣòè; use of the comparative form ìüíèè (smaller) to mean younger. use of suffixed demonastrative pronouns (òú, òà, òî). These developed later into suffixed definite articles. orthographical: original [û] and [úi] merged to [û] sometimes the use of letter '½' (dz) was unified with that of 'Ç' (z) verb forms naricają, naricaješi were substituted or alternated with naričą, naričeši lexical: use of words with proto-Bulgar (Turko-Iranian) origin, such as êóìèðú, êàïèùå, ÷ðüòîãú, áëúâàíú, etc. If the charateristics typical only for Bulgarian language are found in the slavic toponyms, it prooves they were inhabited by slavs from the Bulgarian group (not Serbo-croarian). but how do you know if that differentiation existed before their migration in Balkans, or before the Bulgars' reign? Calling the language spoken in Stroumitza from example of the 8th century bulgarian is unhistorical. And i still don't get how do you(or Serbs) claim slavic people of 9-10th centuries in the regions where the Serbian or Bulgar authority changed every fifty years...
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 21, 2010 7:04:17 GMT -5
have you ever been at Grc Livade... is it a nice livadi? i dont know, i haven't sodomized any Patrinia there yet. well Patrinies don't hang out at places where you meet the woman that you marry...strip clubs....
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