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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 17, 2010 7:00:44 GMT -5
(1) You don't have to train mercenaries since all mercenaries know how to handle small arms otherwise they wouldn't be mercenaries. They amount of money saved on training is usually in the tens of thousands. A good portion of mercenaries tend to be veterans thus have extensive combat experience.
(2) If a mercenary dies, they don't have to pay them. But if a bureaucratic soldier dies then you have to pay their family a pension.
(3) Though a mercenary tends to get paid three times as much as a bureaucratic soldier, they're easily disbanded in times of peace or when they're just not needed. This is in great contrast to bureaucratic soldiers who get paid the same regardless of whether they're needed or not. The wage of the mercenary depends on supply and demand so it's quite possible that the mercenary would get paid less than a bureaucratic soldier if there's a lot of mercenaries or if said mercenaries come from a place where the local currency is useless.
(4) You aren't morally obliged to erect memorials to dead mercenaries. If anything, it'd be in poor taste to do so since people have a very negative view of mercenaries.
(5) Your inclination to keep a mercenary alive disappears when you realize you don't have to pay money to them once they're dead so their lives are utterly useless and they can be used as cheap canon fodder.
(6) All mercenaries pay for their own weapons and equipment. If the government plays its cards right, the government can sell them said weapons and equipment thus earning its money back.
(7) There won't be veteran mercenaries to cause the government later on since the government can just slaughter them all with little or no public backlash. This is especially true if the mercenaries are foreigners.
There's probably a whole lot more I've forgotten to list.
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Post by logjiktek on Dec 17, 2010 8:10:16 GMT -5
Do you have any facts to substantiate your claim?
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 17, 2010 8:41:04 GMT -5
Do you have any facts to substantiate your claim? Very few things are "factual" when it comes to humans.
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Post by Fender on Dec 17, 2010 8:57:44 GMT -5
Whether the mercinary is paid out after death would depend on the contract he signed and how well the wording was constructed.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 17, 2010 9:02:51 GMT -5
Whether the mercinary is paid out after death would depend on the contract he signed and how well the wording was constructed. True enough. But I doubt a person stricken with poverty would be so inclined to decline if the opportunity presented itself.
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Post by Fender on Dec 17, 2010 9:10:33 GMT -5
Whether the mercinary is paid out after death would depend on the contract he signed and how well the wording was constructed. True enough. But I doubt a person stricken with poverty would be so inclined to decline if the opportunity presented itself. The only place I have seen that happen is in the African continent and then it will children " conscripted" into the fighting force. Just keep in mind, mercenaries with nothing to lose are the hardest to control. Not good for discipline in any organisation.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 17, 2010 9:22:44 GMT -5
True enough. But I doubt a person stricken with poverty would be so inclined to decline if the opportunity presented itself. The only place I have seen that happen is in the African continent and then it will children " conscripted" into the fighting force. Just keep in mind, mercenaries with nothing to lose are the hardest to control. Not good for discipline in any organisation. Well obviously they'd be kept on a tight leash. In any case they've shown that they're a reliable fighting force in Iraq, Afghanistan as well as historically like in Italy and by Carthage. Yes, they tend to revolt or switch sides but only if they're given autonomy. If foreigners are imported, who don't know the language and are easily identifiable, and if they're among different foreigners, I doubt they could organize significant trouble. Assuming, of course, that those commanding the mercenaries are stupid enough to allow them to be idle.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 17, 2010 10:17:35 GMT -5
Deucaon, at first i thought you were joking. Anyways, if you imply that besides man-force, the military technology should also be outsourced, then i find it the most idiotic idea, if not, then i find your idea equally sick with all the wrongdoings of all past empires have done to smaller nations. What you propose is blindly follow the soulless methods of the west to achieve their goal regardless the moral side of the story.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 17, 2010 11:32:16 GMT -5
Deucaon, at first i thought you were joking. Anyways, if you imply that besides man-force, the military technology should also be outsourced, then i find it the most idiotic idea, if not, then i find your idea equally sick with all the wrongdoings of all past empires have done to smaller nations. What you propose is blindly follow the soulless methods of the west to achieve their goal regardless the moral side of the story. You speak of souls and, by extension, morality. What it really comes down to is ego. I don't care about what others think. I don't care about petty morals which no reasonable person follows. What has morality done for the Serbs? What has ego done? Nothing. It has given nothing but suffering. What good is being able to hold your head high if you've been submerged in water? In any case I'm not saying anything should be outsourced. The mercenaries would be under complete control. So would the drones. Why are you so against using other people's methods and technology? Would you rather that Serbs end up like Spartans? If you truly love Serbs then you'd agree that you have to use the monster's own weapons against them and that you sometimes have to become a monster in order to vanquish a monster.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 17, 2010 12:10:11 GMT -5
Actually, ignore what I previously wrote. It's obvious that our world views are irreconcilable. I no longer see the world in terms of right and wrong but feasible and unfeasible. Unless you start seeing things as I do, you'll never understand what I write.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 18, 2010 1:07:30 GMT -5
You gotta to define what is Serb and what is not. Antes (the greatest slavic tribe of the middle ages) were stopped mentioned at about 600 AD. Avars disappeared in 871 AD. Look, lets say you got an old WV beetle and you want to race a rally. You gotta enhance your beetle in order to be competitive, you gotta modify it, you gotta increase horse power. You look around and at first research, the only engine that can be easily (economically : note this word, since you pay such attention to it, very often) installed on the beetle is the one from a 2001 subaru wrx-sti 2.0 turbo, which outputs 280HP. Alright, you find a cheap engine on ebay, you install it, and your beetle ROCKS!!!! BUT!!! there is a problem!! the suspension is longer sufficient, the brakes suck, so you pull out those from the same wrx-sti car and there you go!!! Oooppssss, how about traction? You need more traction, so you end up using wrx-sti's 4x4 system as well, replacing all differentials in the poor old beetle.
Now your beetle is competitive and rocks! unfortunately it is not a beetle any more, it is a monstreous SUBARU!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 18, 2010 2:28:14 GMT -5
Just a follow up for the Antes. Antes did not die, apparently. They were renamed, "re-branded" if you like this term more. Now they live mostly in the eastern parts of Bulgaria. The rest of them who didn't become Bulgars, became Russians and later Ukranians. However the name "Antes" was lost and their identity russo-bulgar-ified.
Have you ever thought that becoming compatible with smth similar but bigger, increases the chances of being acquired and eventually merged, done and forgotten?
I fully take note of your comment about the Spartans. There has to be a golden intersection somewhere in the middle.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 18, 2010 2:31:41 GMT -5
And it all comes down to survival. It is just that i think, that God deep inside, does not like assholes, that's all.
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Post by terroreign on Dec 18, 2010 3:15:38 GMT -5
(1) You don't have to train mercenaries since all mercenaries know how to handle small arms otherwise they wouldn't be mercenaries. They amount of money saved on training is usually in the tens of thousands. A good portion of mercenaries tend to be veterans thus have extensive combat experience. (2) If a mercenary dies, they don't have to pay them. But if a bureaucratic soldier dies then you have to pay their family a pension. (3) Though a mercenary tends to get paid three times as much as a bureaucratic soldier, they're easily disbanded in times of peace or when they're just not needed. This is in great contrast to bureaucratic soldiers who get paid the same regardless of whether they're needed or not. The wage of the mercenary depends on supply and demand so it's quite possible that the mercenary would get paid less than a bureaucratic soldier if there's a lot of mercenaries or if said mercenaries come from a place where the local currency is useless. (4) You aren't morally obliged to erect memorials to dead mercenaries. If anything, it'd be in poor taste to do so since people have a very negative view of mercenaries. (5) Your inclination to keep a mercenary alive disappears when you realize you don't have to pay money to them once they're dead so their lives are utterly useless and they can be used as cheap canon fodder. (6) All mercenaries pay for their own weapons and equipment. If the government plays its cards right, the government can sell them said weapons and equipment thus earning its money back. (7) There won't be veteran mercenaries to cause the government later on since the government can just slaughter them all with little or no public backlash. This is especially true if the mercenaries are foreigners. There's probably a whole lot more I've forgotten to list. You have a point, in that using mercenaries would save Serbian lives, not have to train, and could possibly be cheaper than alternative methods....but again their loyalty is in the money, not the cause...and in the end if they see certain situations not worth the money being payed they will opt against fighting of course. Not to mention corruption which is more likely amongst mercenaries, seen with the contractors in Iraq. Taking this into consideration I must side with Pyrros on this...you want to succeed, but without compromising your values, what you stand for. This conflict is an internal one, close to the Serbian soul and inextricably linked to Serbian identity and history. Because of this, the responsibility of defending Kosovo rests soley upon the Serbian people. Whether victory seems feasible is ultimately irrelevant, because Kosovo is the Serbian heart and once Serbs let go of it....they are dead. The length of the battle is determined by the strength of the Serb spirit.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 18, 2010 3:16:12 GMT -5
Well to survive we need to adapt. To put aside our pride and use foreign technology. And to be utterly pragmatic. We can't allow morality to affect our judgment. We can be moral all we want when we're not facing extinction.
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Post by terroreign on Dec 18, 2010 17:04:47 GMT -5
^Serbs definitely will not survive, and less unity will occur if foreign mercenaries are used for Kosovo.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 18, 2010 18:42:06 GMT -5
^Serbs definitely will not survive, and less unity will occur if foreign mercenaries are used for Kosovo. Then we'll conscript all traitorous Serbs and use them as fodder. But I think it'll be a lot less effective.
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