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Post by rex362 on Dec 24, 2010 10:39:05 GMT -5
24 Dec 2010 / 09:51 Serbia Poll: Life Was Better Under Tito
A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -"during the time of socialism".
The survey focused on the respondents' views on the transition "from socialism to capitalism", and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito's rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as "more or less the same".
45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent chosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions.
According to the poll coordinator Srecko Mihailovic, "what seems to be most disturbing" in the answers is that 23 per cent of respondents think that Serbia is governed by criminals, 18 per cent believe that the country is run by the president, the government and parliament, the same percentage believe that the country is run by owners of large companies, while 12 per cent think that Serbia is ruled by "the international community".
By saying that life was better in socialism than it is now, the Serbian citizens primarily refer to better economic situation and standard of living, but the majority of them would not go back to that period.
Mihailović said that similar results were obtained in other post-communist countries, as well as in some post-dictatorship regimes, adding that there are various reasons for this.
The poll was conducted by the Center for Social Democratic Studies (CSSD), Friedrich Ebert Stiftung foundation and Center for Free Elections and Democracy (CeSID) in September of this year and it included 1,813 respondents.
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Post by la3ar on Dec 24, 2010 20:17:09 GMT -5
Life was better simply because of the mutual understand all the YugoSlavs had amongst themselves.
Politically speaking; Its hard to say Tito was famous for his diplomatic skills towards the West and the East. Bottom line is; Yugoslavia was neither Communist nor was it Capitalist. It had elements of philosophy coming from all ideologies.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 24, 2010 22:02:28 GMT -5
Most Serbs are idiots. That's why they believe you can reason with foreigners.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Dec 26, 2010 10:42:22 GMT -5
Most Serbs are idiots. That's why they believe you can reason with foreigners. A ti si mudra glava koja ne zna ni svoj maternji jezik. Pazi sta pises!
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Dec 26, 2010 10:42:52 GMT -5
24 Dec 2010 / 09:51 Serbia Poll: Life Was Better Under Tito A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -"during the time of socialism". The survey focused on the respondents' views on the transition "from socialism to capitalism", and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito's rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as "more or less the same". 45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent chosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions. According to the poll coordinator Srecko Mihailovic, "what seems to be most disturbing" in the answers is that 23 per cent of respondents think that Serbia is governed by criminals, 18 per cent believe that the country is run by the president, the government and parliament, the same percentage believe that the country is run by owners of large companies, while 12 per cent think that Serbia is ruled by "the international community". By saying that life was better in socialism than it is now, the Serbian citizens primarily refer to better economic situation and standard of living, but the majority of them would not go back to that period. Mihailović said that similar results were obtained in other post-communist countries, as well as in some post-dictatorship regimes, adding that there are various reasons for this. The poll was conducted by the Center for Social Democratic Studies (CSSD), Friedrich Ebert Stiftung foundation and Center for Free Elections and Democracy (CeSID) in September of this year and it included 1,813 respondents. Older Slovenes are grieving for Yugoslavia Beta | 26 12. 2010th - 11:13 pm | Comments: 7 Slovenia today marks the 20th anniversary of independence, a recent survey shows that most Slovenes are not satisfied with the results that the country has since opted for independence. According to the poll, published by Ljubljana Delo, 65 percent of the citizens to question whether independence fulfilled their expectations, answered no, while 35 percent think it is. Almost half of Slovenians aged over 30 years is considered to be better lived before the 20-plus years, and this percentage will increase in the older categories. The expectations of the most full when it comes to personal freedoms, at least in the area of social rights - as much as 80 percent of Slovenians reported that those rights, especially rights of workers, used to be higher. The leading Slovenian daily conducted a survey to mark the 20th anniversary of a referendum in which the vast majority, 95 percent of Slovenes voted for secession from former Yugoslavia. Turnout in the referendum, held on 23 December 1990, was 93.2 percent. Poll results published on 26 December 1990. year and the day in Slovenia since then celebrated as the independence and unity.
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Post by rex362 on Dec 26, 2010 10:57:48 GMT -5
imo Slovenia was and is a power house compared to all the republics when I was 8 years old (1970) I was in Ljubjana for 2 weeks ...I thought I was still in Germany ..once traveling farther south is when I noticed being in something different and less modern while at the same time going back in time very fast ...final destination Macedonia ...I thought that Shkoda we were driving in was a time machine ;D yes ...its about time we agree on something ...
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 26, 2010 20:26:22 GMT -5
Most Serbs are idiots. That's why they believe you can reason with foreigners. A ti si mudra glava koja ne zna ni svoj maternji jezik. Pazi sta pises! Yes, yes, yes. Very insightful.
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Post by andromeda on Dec 26, 2010 21:07:59 GMT -5
Jobs were more secure under Tito and while there was debt , infrastructure was still in tact ( much of damaged during the 90s. The most nostalgic Yugoslavs tend to be the ones that had their future tied into the prosperity of that state. Of course , that's a no brainer.
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Post by srbobran on Dec 26, 2010 21:30:56 GMT -5
^More importantly under Yugoslavia, South Slavs had a strong state that could actually impact world affairs and stand up to foreign powers instead of the pathetic EU vassal statelets we have now.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 26, 2010 21:55:56 GMT -5
imo Slovenia was and is a power house compared to all the republics when I was 8 years old (1970) I was in Ljubjana for 2 weeks ...I thought I was still in Germany ..once traveling farther south is when I noticed being in something different and less modern while at the same time going back in time very fast ...final destination Macedonia ...I thought that Shkoda we were driving in was a time machine ;D yes ...its about time we agree on something ... such silly myths are easily debunked : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_systems_from_the_Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslaviai dont see much activity in Cro/Slo, not to mention that pre 1945 their industries were a joke.
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Post by andromeda on Dec 27, 2010 14:06:43 GMT -5
^More importantly under Yugoslavia, South Slavs had a strong state that could actually impact world affairs and stand up to foreign powers instead of the pathetic EU vassal statelets we have now. I still think Yugoslavia would've been a vassal state as you say. Besides , Yugo's existence hinged on Tito's and w/out a charismatic and iron leader like that nothing could prevent the seams of Yugo from becoming undone.
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Post by andromeda on Dec 27, 2010 14:15:14 GMT -5
imo Slovenia was and is a power house compared to all the republics when I was 8 years old (1970) I was in Ljubjana for 2 weeks ...I thought I was still in Germany ..once traveling farther south is when I noticed being in something different and less modern while at the same time going back in time very fast ...final destination Macedonia ...I thought that Shkoda we were driving in was a time machine ;D yes ...its about time we agree on something ... such silly myths are easily debunked : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_systems_from_the_Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslaviai dont see much activity in Cro/Slo, not to mention that pre 1945 their industries were a joke. These observations were typical for all travelers of Yugoslavia. The further South you went the 'less advanced' it appeared. And pyrro what is your link supposed to show? An institute in Serbia produced mock western computers and , therefore, this proves that Serbia had better infrastructure? No , just no. The whole of Serbia wasn't Belgrade. Belgrade was kept up because that was the capital of all of Yugoslavia , the rest of Serbia ( excluding Vojvodina) , not so advanced. Not an insult , just a fact. The Western Republics already had existing infrastructure due to their incorporation into central European states rather than the Ottoman or Russian states. Nobody is putting down Serbs for this, its just how it happened.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 27, 2010 14:25:01 GMT -5
The Western Republics already had existing infrastructure due to their incorporation into central European states rather than the Ottoman or Russian states. Nobody is putting down Serbs for this, its just how it happened. I will not talk about Sumadija, because any historical comparison in industrial development between Kragujevac and the rest of the balkans would be unfair. So i will make it more easy to you (which unfortunately, inevitably strengthens my argument) Find me the oldest (optionally heavy) industry in CRO/SLO and compare it with the latest (optionally heavy) industry in South Serbia. South Serbia had industrial activity since 19th century. For Cro/Slo it all started (and ended) with Tito.
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Post by andromeda on Dec 27, 2010 14:46:10 GMT -5
The Western Republics already had existing infrastructure due to their incorporation into central European states rather than the Ottoman or Russian states. Nobody is putting down Serbs for this, its just how it happened. I will not talk about Sumadija, because any historical comparison in industrial development between Kragujevac and the rest of the balkans would be unfair. So i will make it more easy to you (which unfortunately, inevitably strengthens my argument) Find me the oldest (optionally heavy) industry in CRO/SLO and compare it with the latest (optionally heavy) industry in South Serbia. South Serbia had industrial activity since 19th century. For Cro/Slo it all started (and ended) with Tito. You have to also consider whether this so-called industry was profitable or not or was it just a waste of resources on a failed project ( this happened a lot in communist countries for example). Industrial infrastructure does not necessarily mean more prosperity ( again this can be seen with the failed but vast and expansive industries of the USSR.) I guess out of interest I can look up businesses back then , I don't have them readily available but what I do know is that ever since the inception of even the first Yugoslavia a lot of the GDP was generated from the Western Republics. If were talking about infrastructure I'll check out things like railroads , river irrigation, forestation, health - hospital and medical equipment, general transportation. These are all signs of infrastructure.
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Post by Username on Dec 27, 2010 15:20:00 GMT -5
imo Slovenia was and is a power house compared to all the republics when I was 8 years old (1970) I was in Ljubjana for 2 weeks ...I thought I was still in Germany ..once traveling farther south is when I noticed being in something different and less modern while at the same time going back in time very fast ...final destination Macedonia ...I thought that Shkoda we were driving in was a time machine ;D yes ...its about time we agree on something ... such silly myths are easily debunked : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_systems_from_the_Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslaviai dont see much activity in Cro/Slo, not to mention that pre 1945 their industries were a joke. God you're an idiot. Slovenian and Croatian development during the SFRY era (and even now) > Serbian. I don't know have to tell you this; any idiot knows it, and any Serb accepts that as the truth as well. If you don't trust them, look at the statistics, and you'll easily see that especially Slovenian, and Croatian productivity was much higher than the republics to the south.
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Post by zoti on Dec 27, 2010 15:44:15 GMT -5
God you're an idiot. Slovenian and Croatian development during the SFRY era (and even now) > Serbian. I don't know have to tell you this; any idiot knows it, and any Serb accepts that as the truth as well. If you don't trust them, look at the statistics, and you'll easily see that especially Slovenian, and Croatian productivity was much higher than the republics to the south. Don't tell him that cause then he'll want to be Croatian instead. Let the Serbs keep him.
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Post by Gigolo on Dec 27, 2010 16:29:16 GMT -5
^More importantly under Yugoslavia, Serbs had a strong state that could actually impact world affairs and stand up to foreign powers instead of the pathetic EU vassal statelets we have now. Fixed it for ya.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 27, 2010 17:41:23 GMT -5
This thread will eventually end up in Yugoslavia forum.
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Post by rusebg on Dec 27, 2010 18:32:47 GMT -5
For the 2-million country Slovenia is they have quite a good industry. Of course, in the loony bin you live you don't see the appliances which are used for cooking your food or washing your clothes but Slovenes have pretty good ones, trust me.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 28, 2010 2:13:47 GMT -5
^^^ Of course i know Gorenje, you idiot. It was founded after 1945 and Serb engineers helped in its construction.
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