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Post by rusebg on Jan 28, 2011 9:20:30 GMT -5
Uh, not hate, mate. Hate is a strong feeling and there is no way I could feel something like that for creatures like Guzar or Gyrro. Let's say it's a disadain. A disdain to two pathetic wanna-bees who cry out all day long for things that are completely unfamiliar with, like Balkan history, Balkan languages, Blakan culture, etc, etc. Especially pazar. He is a hell of a dumb prick. Actually, the reason I post occasionally is not because of the usual visitors here. All of them know the extremely low level of the dorks duo. The thing is that there are people who read this forum without participating in it and I don't want anyone of them left with the impression that the Hiary back or the Wambat Bollocks has posted something sensible so far.
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Post by ivo on Jan 28, 2011 16:06:21 GMT -5
I don't speak Croatian, but I'll gladly use the good ol' Google translator if required.
Gyrro, what exactly is your problem with Croatian!? You've posted here in Greek and Serbian, or are you too retarded to remember?
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Post by terroreign on Jan 28, 2011 18:36:26 GMT -5
It's not that simple. Chakavian and Kajkavian have different stresses, word formations and different grammatical rules too.
"To je selo na kraj ižule. Selo va ko je prvo prišal telefon leh voda – vode još ni." Chakavian, uses "Va" instead of "U", "Leh" instead of "Nego", "Ni" instead of "Nema"
Then you have completely seperate noun declensions (Stokavian on the left, Chak on the right)
"N žena - žena G žene - ženi D ženi - žene A ženu - ženu V ženo! - ženo! L o ženi - o žene I sa ženom - zi ženun
n žene - ženi g ženâ - žen d ženama - ženan a žene - žene v žene! - žene! l o ženama - o ženah i sa ženama - zi ženami"
It's definitely more than just a dialect.
Here's some Kajkavian
Japa naš kteri si f 'nebesih, nek sesvete ime Tvoje, nek prihaja cesarstvo Tvoje, nek bu volja Tvoja, kakti na nebe tak pa na zemle. Kruhek naš sakdajni nam daj denes ter odpuščaj nam dugi naše, kakti mi odpuščamo dužnikom našim, ter naj nas fpelati vu skušnje, nek nas zbavi od sekih hudobah. Amen.
It's like g-damn Slovenian. I understand Macedonian much better. Besides the Aorist and the Imperfect tenses, Macedonian is really close to Serbian with indefinite articles (which Serbian sometimes uses anyway) and no declensions (while Kajk&Chak have different declen)
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jan 28, 2011 19:31:37 GMT -5
***Krivo - Fixed***
Check this out : Eng : Hey , what are you doing? Oh , nothing. I just slept all morning.
KajCro: Kaj delash? Nikaj , Spaval' sem celo jutro.
ChaCro: Cha Chinish? Nish , Spava san cilo jutro.
StoCro: Shta Radish? Nishta, Spavao sam cijelo jutro.
& FYROMian: Sto pravis? Nisto, spiel sum celata utro.
& Bulgarian: Kakvo pravis? Nishto, toko-sto spal cjala sutrin.
Not sure about Bulgarian translation (tomorrow for this morning?) but in this case Kajkavian, Chakavian are a closer then FYROMian which is more similar also to Bulgarian. This example isn't enough to go by though.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 28, 2011 20:06:12 GMT -5
The maco was wrong, it'd be said:
Sto pravis? Nisto, spiel sum celata utro
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Post by ivo on Jan 29, 2011 0:55:01 GMT -5
Bulgarian:
'Kakvo' (or 'Kvo') pravish? Nishto, spial sum 'ciala sutrin' (or 'cialoto utro').
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jan 29, 2011 2:12:46 GMT -5
It's not that simple. Chakavian and Kajkavian have different stresses, word formations and different grammatical rules too. "To je selo na kraj ižule. Selo va ko je prvo prišal telefon leh voda – vode još ni." Chakavian, uses "Va" instead of "U", "Leh" instead of "Nego", "Ni" instead of "Nema" Then you have completely seperate noun declensions (Stokavian on the left, Chak on the right) "N žena - žena G žene - ženi D ženi - žene A ženu - ženu V ženo! - ženo! L o ženi - o žene I sa ženom - zi ženun
n žene - ženi g ženâ - žen d ženama - ženan a žene - žene v žene! - žene! l o ženama - o ženah i sa ženama - zi ženami"It's definitely more than just a dialect. Here's some Kajkavian Japa naš kteri si f 'nebesih, nek sesvete ime Tvoje, nek prihaja cesarstvo Tvoje, nek bu volja Tvoja, kakti na nebe tak pa na zemle. Kruhek naš sakdajni nam daj denes ter odpuščaj nam dugi naše, kakti mi odpuščamo dužnikom našim, ter naj nas fpelati vu skušnje, nek nas zbavi od sekih hudobah. Amen.It's like g-damn Slovenian. I understand Macedonian much better. Besides the Aorist and the Imperfect tenses, Macedonian is really close to Serbian with indefinite articles (which Serbian sometimes uses anyway) and no declensions (while Kajk&Chak have different declen) That Kajkavian is a minority among the Kajkavian speakers. That's on the very fringes of Croatia where its literally mixed with Slovenian and uses more Slovene vocabulary. This is typical Kajkavski : Otec naš, koji jesi v nebesih, sveti se ime tvoje, dojdi kralevstvo tvoje, budi volja tvoja, kak na nebu tak i na zemli. Kruh naš svakdašni daj nam denes i otpusti nam duge naše, kak i mi otpuščamo dužnikom našim, i ne uvedi nas v napast, nek izbavi nas od zla. Amen.Definitely intelligible with standard Stokavian Croatian and contains the same grammar for the most part. The Macedonian and Bulgarian translations put forward are similar in grammar , much more so than with (Serbo) Croatian.
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Post by ljubotan on Jan 29, 2011 12:51:27 GMT -5
Our dialectal village speech from Sar planina:
- Sto prajes? Nisto, spal sam celo j/utro.
Ajde sve nas da zborimo u nasi razliciti jezika, ili dijalekta...pa onda stvarno da vidimo koj je koj. Dosta mi je vazdan vise da vi slusam vas koje se racunate 'stvarno Srbi', sa vasi napade prema pravoslavni narod od Makedonija!!!
Srbija samo imala jedno namera za Makedonija, i toa bilo samo zemnja a ne ljudi; barem, Bugarska se borila za Makedonija radi narod a ne da postanje pogolema. Bugari ne se smejev kad Makedonac zbori, nego sa ponosni i ni racunav kao braca. A vecinom Srbi/Srbijanci, odcenilje nas kao neka prost, stegnat, seljacni unazad narod. Sega kad razmislovam, podobro sto se odvojlja Makedonija, inace ljudi bi joste bili kao druga klasa narod u Jugoslavija. Cuvajte vase Jugoslavija za vas i Hrvati/Bosanci a nemojte da serete ljudi od Makedonija (bilo Makedonac, Srbin al Bugarin).
Sve glavni 'stvarni'Srpski Kralja vodele Srpstvo na Jug, a ne kao oni na Zapad koje im bilo poreklo Katolicko.
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Post by ivo on Jan 29, 2011 13:44:37 GMT -5
^ Ljubotan, tova e zashtoto sme imali edna istoria, edna kultura, i edno vreme sme bili edin narod. Srpskite interesi v Makedonia vinagi sa bili politicheski, i samo politicheski.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jan 29, 2011 13:54:53 GMT -5
^^ Just an observation. Ljubotan's way of speaking is almost all Croatian-Serbian vocabulary but the grammar is definitely different. Sorry , I don't mean anything by that it's just a neat observation. Ljubotane , Je li to znaci da se vise osjecas bratstvo i jedinstvo s Bugarima nego sa Srbima? Meni se cini da , po tvojim rjecima , takozvani 'zapadni Srbi' su vas izdali , jel tako? Mali ispravak ; Vjera ( Katolicanstvo , Pravoslavje , etc) nije porijetlo nego je vjeroispovijest. Bas tako. Jesu li Makedonci vec bili pravoslavni narod prije Sv. Save ? Mislim , jesu li imali Crkvu?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 29, 2011 20:17:18 GMT -5
Asen, all BuLgarski empires were political in nature. Don't twist it.
Finally, you say above that the slavs of vardar and BuLgari had one common history, thats utterly false, there is nothing culturally that links them two together. Do you see Ljubotans dialect, its a serbian dialect spoken by half of the of the population in the region and is spoken by 2,000,000 Bugari in western Bulgaria.
PS BuLgari murdered and committed horrendous crimes on the Southern Serbs in their quest to BuLgarianise the population, but with all that terror in the 19th century, Serbian traditions are still ALIVE ;D
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Post by terroreign on Jan 30, 2011 2:55:04 GMT -5
Our dialectal village speech from Sar planina: - Sto prajes? Nisto, spal sam celo j/utro. Ajde sve nas da zborimo u nasi razliciti jezika, ili dijalekta...pa onda stvarno da vidimo koj je koj. Dosta mi je vazdan vise da vi slusam vas koje se racunate 'stvarno Srbi', sa vasi napade prema pravoslavni narod od Makedonija!!! Srbija samo imala jedno namera za Makedonija, i toa bilo samo zemnja a ne ljudi; barem, Bugarska se borila za Makedonija radi narod a ne da postanje pogolema. Bugari ne se smejev kad Makedonac zbori, nego sa ponosni i ni racunav kao braca. A vecinom Srbi/Srbijanci, odcenilje nas kao neka prost, stegnat, seljacni unazad narod. Sega kad razmislovam, podobro sto se odvojlja Makedonija, inace ljudi bi joste bili kao druga klasa narod u Jugoslavija. Cuvajte vase Jugoslavija za vas i Hrvati/Bosanci a nemojte da serete ljudi od Makedonija (bilo Makedonac, Srbin al Bugarin). Sve glavni 'stvarni'Srpski Kralja vodele Srpstvo na Jug, a ne kao oni na Zapad koje im bilo poreklo Katolicko. Heh zapravo nijesam siguran da ovo stvarno mislis. Sad su Srbija i Srpski narod kriv sto saka jadnika u Cikagi na tebe smiju zbog tvog govora...kako tebe boli k*rac za njih? Dodji u CG ili RS i reci da si Srbin ljudi ce tebe postovat, u tome sam siguran Cak tvoj govor nije onako kao Makedonski...sem nekih sitnica mogli bismo razgovarati bez problema I nemoj zaboraviti da su Srbijanci najvece seljacine od svih Srba! Pored njih su Makedonci i Torlaci Bogovi coce.. ;D
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Post by ljubotan on Jan 30, 2011 12:24:28 GMT -5
Aj Krivo, toa sto pises si upravo, ne trebe da mi smeta ali zaista ne moguce kako sa ovde tolko bezobrazni. Takvi naprimera je dosta za mene da mislim da svi Srbi i u stari kraj misliv tace (village word for 'Tako').
Ma yebiga vise, nema veza kako zborimo mie, vazno da ja i moji smo Pravoslavni i dobri ljudi.
A ti Radiate, ne nejdem nakoja Bugarska strana ali nemam problem sa nihja. Bugari sa dobri ljudi i imav golema i postanja istorija. Ja sam uvek bil vrzan sa Srbi, moze zasta deka zivim njin diaspora bila najgolema i nemam nikavi probleme da razberem Srpski. Bugarski je malo potesko iako smo slicni, ali nikada ne sam bil okolo Bugari pa da bi iztreniral uvo.
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Post by ulf on Jan 30, 2011 12:52:33 GMT -5
Ne znam odakle su Srbi iz Cikaga, ali u Beogradu te ne bi niko ismevao zbog govora. Pola od ovih seljaka-emigranata iz sada vec susednih drzava prica sa naglaskom i niko im ne zamera, te ne verujem da bi te iko zajebavao zbog toga
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 4, 2011 17:58:06 GMT -5
"A ti Radiate, ne nejdem nakoja Bugarska strana ali nemam problem sa nihja. Bugari sa dobri ljudi i imav golema i postanja istorija. Ja sam uvek bil vrzan sa Srbi, moze zasta deka zivim njin diaspora bila najgolema i nemam nikavi probleme da razberem Srpski. Bugarski je malo potesko iako smo slicni, ali nikada ne sam bil okolo Bugari pa da bi iztreniral uvo."
Ljubo, ofcourse there are good and bad people everywhere, but to say the Bulgari are good people with a rich history, is a contradiction.
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 4, 2011 23:24:19 GMT -5
they're no better or worse than any other Slavic group in the Balkans.
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Post by srbobran on Feb 5, 2011 0:26:49 GMT -5
They are a (generally speaking) good people with a rich history.
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Post by rusebg on Feb 5, 2011 3:53:34 GMT -5
Pazar, if you could transform your hate into money, you'd be a fvcking trillionaire.
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Post by ioan on Feb 5, 2011 9:12:17 GMT -5
selfhate is the greatest aphrodiziac.
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Post by rusebg on Feb 5, 2011 9:22:35 GMT -5
You mean Pazar is unable to sand the bishop without imagining how he is smashing my head? Ioan, that's scary.
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