Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 5, 2011 14:05:57 GMT -5
They are a (generally speaking) good people with a rich history. Especially if you get educated from wikipedia. Because the vast amount of bulgarian history did not exist before the emerge of wikipedia.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 5, 2011 19:57:04 GMT -5
^ I don't understand why people like Srbobran and Arsenije don't get it. Don't these people see they openly promote their own causes against another. I truly want good neighbourly relations with the Bulgars, but l'm not going to compromise my position just for unfair demands and propaganda, for the sake of good neighbourly relations. People like them sympathise with them (Bulgars) because of the Slavic link, well, why don't they sympathise and speak positively about the slavic muslims in bosnia, our catholic croatian brothers in bosnia and croatia or to a degree our slavic brothers the slovenians.....why....because of the RECENT wars, they had with them. Prior to these wars, the croats/slovenians and slavic muslims from bosnia spoke in a similar manner akin to the Bulgarian propagandists, while stupid and dumb serbs never listened, and didn't want to listen, they (serbs) stupidly kept on singing brotherhood and unity, we are Yugoslavs, while they were saying we are croats/slovenians/bosniaks etc.....
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 5, 2011 20:03:56 GMT -5
"Pazar, if you could transform your hate into money, you'd be a fvcking trillionaire."
I believe in truth and l don't care about money. My truth is not hate, truth is the prevention of further death and it must be told.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 6, 2011 0:56:18 GMT -5
^ I don't understand why people like Srbobran and Arsenije don't get it. Don't these people see they openly promote their own causes against another. I truly want good neighbourly relations with the Bulgars, but l'm not going to compromise my position just for unfair demands and propaganda, for the sake of good neighbourly relations. People like them sympathise with them (Bulgars) because of the Slavic link, well, why don't they sympathise and speak positively about the slavic muslims in bosnia, our catholic croatian brothers in bosnia and croatia or to a degree our slavic brothers the slovenians.....why....because of the RECENT wars, they had with them. Prior to these wars, the croats/slovenians and slavic muslims from bosnia spoke in a similar manner akin to the Bulgarian propagandists, while stupid and dumb serbs never listened, and didn't want to listen, they (serbs) stupidly kept on singing brotherhood and unity, we are Yugoslavs, while they were saying we are croats/slovenians/bosniaks etc..... Serbs care only for their village Novi. Few Serbs from BiH would go to Nish to stop the bulgarian army (which btw 3 times tried to penetrate Serbian soil from this front) just as few Serbs from Nish went to help Krajina/BiH Serbs as they were massacred by the Nazi/Mudjahedin units. Serbs are idiots. Total sheep.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 6, 2011 1:10:23 GMT -5
A villager is a villager, no matter where he lives no matter what ethnicity.
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Post by srbobran on Feb 6, 2011 1:47:25 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is that we, due to culture, language, and genetics are essentially kin with the other South Slavs. All I'm saying is that if we all just cut the bullshit and realized this, we could've been a strong nation (ie. Yugoslavia in its heyday) instead of the divided, pathetic states we have in its place. You can call Albanians idiots all you want, but they're unity despite religious differences is truly admirable.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 6, 2011 2:51:02 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is that we, due to culture, language, and genetics are essentially kin with the other South Slavs. All I'm saying is that if we all just cut the bulls**t and realized this, we could've been a strong nation (ie. Yugoslavia in its heyday) instead of the divided, pathetic states we have in its place. You can call Albanians idiots all you want, but they're unity despite religious differences is truly admirable. It's just the King Complex Serbs have, every bum wants to be the boss and so we end up with creations like Croats, Bosniaks and Macedonians.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 6, 2011 3:27:58 GMT -5
You can call Albanians idiots all you want, but they're unity despite religious differences is truly admirable. Albanian unity is a fallacy. They are just not so powerful to create inner-ethnic divisions. Their unity is a product of their weakness. Also they dont need religious differences to create a mess over there. A mess could be triggered by anything. Albania-Greece and the south slavs are two totally different stories.
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 6, 2011 16:33:37 GMT -5
Serbs are idiots. Total sheep. i'll tell your wife about that... exei na pesei pantofla...
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 6, 2011 22:02:53 GMT -5
^ Patrino, Pyrro is right, Serbs only care about their own village and town. I've had Arsenije excluding me as a serbian because of this stupidity of who's the bigger and most pure serbian rubbish. Arsenije believes that anyone outside of bosnia is not *originally* serbian, but his relatives are from Bosnia, a region that isn't called serbia.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 6, 2011 22:32:39 GMT -5
"The fact of the matter is that we, due to culture, language, and genetics are essentially kin with the other South Slavs. All I'm saying is that if we all just cut the bulls**t and realized this, we could've been a strong nation (ie. Yugoslavia in its heyday) instead of the divided, pathetic states we have in its place. You can call Albanians idiots all you want, but they're unity despite religious differences is truly admirable."
Srbobran, look, l'm 35 years old....l'm not saying i'm more intelligent than you etc....but what l'm going to tell you is, i've witnessed it. Listen, 25 years ago (1985/86), my parents would come across non-serbs from Yugoslavia boasting that they arn't Yugoslavs but Fyromians, Croats, Slovenes etc....while the Serbs/Montengrins/Bosnians would say they are Yugoslavs. As a 10 year old, l remembered waiting in a que at the supermarket and the woman who was getting served was asked by the supermarket representitive, "whats your nationality" she replied, "Croatian" and the rep said, "Where's that", having heard this she was upset and said, "Croatia is next door to Italy, don't you know", the rep realised and said, "Yugoslavia?", but the woman persisted and said, "No, its Croatia".
I've never heard my parents ONCE before the 1991 war say Serbian, but only Yugoslav.
Now here in Australia, the soccer league known as the NSL (today the A-League). The Croatians had teams known as Sydney Croatia, Melbourne Croatia etc...The slavs of Vardar had Preston Macedonia etc...while the Serbs and other loyal Yugoslavs only had J.U.S.T. As a kid in the mid to late 80's, l've been to many games where fights would break out between the Croatians and the Yugoslavs.
For someone here to shift the blame equally amoungst us all is wrong because it was mainly the northern balkan slavs who were instigating separation and not the loyal serbian yugoslavs.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 7, 2011 1:29:28 GMT -5
Serbs are idiots. Total sheep. i'll tell your wife about that... exei na pesei pantofla... my wife was advocating the same thing bro. No "pantofla" there my friend. PS i really wish for you to have such a "pantofla" in your life and such a marriage. (regardless of ethnicity... just a good marriage)
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 7, 2011 3:04:03 GMT -5
"The fact of the matter is that we, due to culture, language, and genetics are essentially kin with the other South Slavs. All I'm saying is that if we all just cut the bulls**t and realized this, we could've been a strong nation (ie. Yugoslavia in its heyday) instead of the divided, pathetic states we have in its place. You can call Albanians idiots all you want, but they're unity despite religious differences is truly admirable." Srbobran, look, l'm 35 years old....l'm not saying i'm more intelligent than you etc....but what l'm going to tell you is, i've witnessed it. Listen, 25 years ago (1985/86), my parents would come across non-serbs from Yugoslavia boasting that they arn't Yugoslavs but Fyromians, Croats, Slovenes etc....while the Serbs/Montengrins/Bosnians would say they are Yugoslavs. As a 10 year old, l remembered waiting in a que at the supermarket and the woman who was getting served was asked by the supermarket representitive, "whats your nationality" she replied, "Croatian" and the rep said, "Where's that", having heard this she was upset and said, "Croatia is next door to Italy, don't you know", the rep realised and said, "Yugoslavia?", but the woman persisted and said, "No, its Croatia". I've never heard my parents ONCE before the 1991 war say Serbian, but only Yugoslav. Now here in Australia, the soccer league known as the NSL (today the A-League). The Croatians had teams known as Sydney Croatia, Melbourne Croatia etc...The slavs of Vardar had Preston Macedonia etc...while the Serbs and other loyal Yugoslavs only had J.U.S.T. As a kid in the mid to late 80's, l've been to many games where fights would break out between the Croatians and the Yugoslavs. For someone here to shift the blame equally amoungst us all is wrong because it was mainly the northern balkan slavs who were instigating separation and not the loyal serbian yugoslavs. Srbobran has the potential, he is very mature, like so many kids today of his age, (my nephew is also 17 and very mature as well). The only thing that can go wrong with this new generation is due to over-confidence. One should always challenge and question himself and not rely on certain past successes. Damn, they are too young to have such an over-estimation of their knowledge-strengths! And this leads them to inevitable mistakes, some times. Anyways, Novi, fact is that this new generation is an "improved" model compared to us, not to mention our monolithic fathers PS Seriously, what you say about Serbs/Croats in diaspora and in ex-yu is totally true. My wife told me, some kids back in pre-91 Zadar, told her that she was different that she was a Serb, and then she went str8 to daddy to ask "what is a SERB".... while at the same time the catholic priests/mullas in the croat/muslim churches/mosques were having an orgy of nationalism and hatred. Novi bro, when this plague named catholic church and islam cease to exist, those people will find themselves again..
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 7, 2011 4:32:16 GMT -5
^ Pyrro, one thing out of all this is, they like the Austrians so much more than Serbs.....l cannot get my head around it, since the Austro-Hungarian Empire ruled over them for so many years (1000years). The Serbs and King Alexander in modern times gave them (Slovenians and Croats) their freedom from this German empire.
I dunno man.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 7, 2011 5:27:12 GMT -5
History repeats itself since nations never change and act the same for 1000s of years (thats what i believe). We are having those same old forces dressed behind another mask/name. You are witnessing this over there in Australia. Different name, same mentality with UK.
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Post by ivo on Feb 7, 2011 9:48:11 GMT -5
Pazar and Gyrro, you guys should try being a little less retarded.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 7, 2011 9:59:09 GMT -5
Pazar and Gyrro, you guys should try being a little less retarded. Is that "world" opinion Tatar? Ha ha, because you seem to have a real issue distinguishing reality from wishes and illusions. Its all a f**ked up salad inside your simplistic brain. Its amusing how you call people retard, when you need special professional help to even understand 1% of what they write ;D
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Post by ivo on Feb 7, 2011 10:45:56 GMT -5
No. It's British, French, American, German, Russian, Greek, Turkish(Ottoman), Austrian, Italian, and even Serbian (ie. from pre-propaganda sources).
I'm not a scholar, writer, or author or anything of the sort. The conclusions made by practically ALL sources (ie. 95% +) are not my own conclusions. I'm simply aware of their existence, and have read many of them. The fact that you choose to bury your head in some Serbian fairy tales is your own choice.. but, as you probably already know, those Serbian fairy tales are directly contradicted by world opinion. Oh, and your own personal conclusions count for nothing.. after it's all said and done, you're nothing more but an ignorant retard who clearly doesn't even read his own "sources" fully.
Who knows.. the point is, I'm merely acquainting you with what the rest of the world has concluded on the matter. The thoughts I share are not my own, and the sources I post were NOT written by me. But the fact of the matter is, that practically all sources on the matter concur on the Bulgarian identity of Macedonia and it's people.. they identified as ethnic Bulgarians until recently, and this is a well known fact.
Your own personal conclusions, or the conclusions of other retards (ie. Pazar) don't concern me. They are worthless. The personal conclusions we make on these forum are really irrelevant as a whole for we ain't scholars, we don't specialize in these matters. However, the opinions of those who do specialize in these matter, and those who are actual published scholars are absolutely relevant. Unfortunately for you, these scholars contradict the BS that you and Pazar spew back and forth as nothing more than idiotic propaganda.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 7, 2011 11:14:20 GMT -5
Man, stop writing here. Nobody reads your BS. Best thing that can happen to your posts is to get deleted by some mod here. Other than that the attention they will get is negligible.
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Post by kroraina on Feb 7, 2011 11:27:32 GMT -5
Now here in Australia, the soccer league known as the NSL (today the A-League). The Croatians had teams known as Sydney Croatia, Melbourne Croatia etc...The slavs of Vardar had Preston Macedonia etc...while the Serbs and other loyal Yugoslavs only had J.U.S.T. As a kid in the mid to late 80's, l've been to many games where fights would break out between the Croatians and the Yugoslavs. I remember one Australian Macedonian explaining this Aussie football politics to me. He was an "Aegean" Mac, that is his parents were from the Kastoria area of Greece and he was telling me how he and his Aegean buddies would support the Croats against the Serb, Greek teams. He had quite a low opinion of the Vardarski Macs btw and was enraged by their sheepish behaviour and low self-esteem. One of his examples - he is in a group with Vardarskis, speaking in Makedonski. A Serb arrives and the Vardarskis switch to Serbian... They were ready to forego their own language for the benefit of a _single_ Serb.
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