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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 2, 2011 12:46:35 GMT -5
Psychological aspects
The era of independent Israel kibbutzim attracted interest from sociologists and psychologists who attempted to answer the question: What are the effects of life without private property? What are the effects of life being brought up apart from one's parents?
Three researchers who wrote about psychological life on kibbutzim were Melford E. Spiro (1958), Bruno Bettelheim (1969) and Michael Baizerman (1963). All concluded that a kibbutz upbringing led to individuals' having greater difficulty in making strong emotional commitments thereafter, such as falling in love or forming a lasting friendship. On the other hand, they appear to find it easier to have a large number of less-involved friendships, and a more active social life.
Bettelheim suggested that the lack of private property was the cause of the lack of emotions in kibbutzniks. He wrote, "nowhere more than in the kibbutz did I realize the degree to which private property, in the deep layers of the mind, relates to private emotions. If one is absent, the other tends to be absent as well". (See primitivism and primitive communism for a general discussion of these concepts).
Other researchers came to a conclusion that children growing up in these tightly knit communities tended to see the other children around them as ersatz siblings and preferred to seek mates outside the community when they reached maturity. Some theorize that living amongst one another on a daily basis virtually from birth on produced an extreme version of the Westermarck effect, which diminished teenage kibbutzniks' sexual attraction to one another. Partly as a result of not finding a mate from within the kibbutz, youth often abandon kibbutz life as adults.
It is a subject of debate within the kibbutz movement as to how successful kibbutz education was in developing the talents of gifted children. Several kibbutz-raised children look back and say that the communal system stifled ambition; others say that bright children were nonetheless encouraged. Bruno Bettelheim had predicted that kibbutz education would yield mediocrity: "[kibbutz children] will not be leaders or philosophers, will not achieve anything in science or art." However, it has been noted that although kibbutzim comprise only 5% of the Israeli population, surprisingly large numbers of kibbutzniks become teachers, lawyers, doctors, and political leaders.[citation needed]
Bettelheim's prediction was certainly wrong about the specific children he met at "Kibbutz Atid." In the 1990s, a journalist tracked down the children Bettelheim had interviewed back in the 1960s at what was actually Kibbutz Ramat Yohanan. The journalist found that the children were highly accomplished in academia, business, music, and the military. "Bettelheim got it totally wrong."[21]
"The kibbutz is a magnifying glass for Israeli society," says Amia Lieblich, a professor of psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz#Psychological_aspects
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 2, 2011 12:48:11 GMT -5
Children
The arrival of children at a new kibbutz inevitably posed an ethical dilemma. If everything was held in common, then who was in charge of the children? This question was answered by regarding the children as belonging to all, even to the point of kibbutz mothers breastfeeding babies who were not their own.[citation needed] For most kibbutzim, the arrival of children was a sobering experience: "When we saw our first children in the playpen, hitting one another, or grabbing toys just for themselves, we were overcome with anxiety. What did it mean that even an education in communal life couldn't uproot these egotistical tendencies? The utopia of our initial social conception was slowly, slowly destroyed."[16]
In the 1920s kibbutzim introduced communal children's homes. The theory was that trained nurses and teachers would be better care-providers than parents. Relationships would also be better because parents would not have to be disciplinarians. Another goal was to liberate mothers and promote gender equality: Instead of spending many hours a day on child care, women would be free to work and have more leisure time. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz#Children
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 2, 2011 12:53:46 GMT -5
So in retrospect it can be stated;
-Capitalism enhances emotional levels within human beings. -Collectivism enhances logical levels within human beings. -Humans are born egoistic. -Collectivist society produces many highly accomplished people.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 19, 2011 3:26:02 GMT -5
I fully and openly support the concept of Kabbutism, and its just one of the many traits I see in the Jewish community that I find inspiring.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Feb 19, 2011 3:44:49 GMT -5
Capitalism isn't the antithesis of Collectivism. Individualism is. In terms of abolishment of private property , you can , at best , run a primitive economy with low entropy under that model. The collective is predicated on the individual. Remember , a collective is nothing more than many individuals interacting with each other for some common purpose. The question arises whether the collective is voluntarily consented upon by the individuals involved with it or whether it is a coercive relationship with some individuals abusing others.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Feb 19, 2011 3:49:30 GMT -5
So in retrospect it can be stated; -Capitalism enhances emotional levels within human beings. -Collectivism enhances logical levels within human beings. -Humans are born egoistic. -Collectivist society produces many highly accomplished people. - 'Capitalism' is an economic theory based on voluntary trade of property. - Collectivism is a social theory which stresses the importance of the group even at the expense of individuals within the group. It is in many ways utilitarian. In its worse form it is the basis of Communism , Fascism , Socialism , etc. - Most humans are born selfish but become more altruistic as they grow and become more self-reliant. - Collectivist society produces obedience and respect to authority.
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