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Post by toskaliku on Feb 8, 2011 21:15:41 GMT -5
I find his movies to be pretty entertaining. His constant "German-Turk" themes can get pretty boring after a while but they nonetheless remain pretty fun to watch. My favorite has to be Head-on (Gegen die Wand)...
Anyone here watch any of his other stuff?
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Post by terroreign on Feb 8, 2011 21:40:57 GMT -5
Saw Head-on for a film class...interesting film, I liked how it captured the diasporic feel of it all. Lost souls who can't find their place...only with each other can they feel normal.
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Post by turkish on Feb 11, 2011 10:38:12 GMT -5
Great Turkish German movie, I loved it.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 14, 2011 18:03:13 GMT -5
I saw Kebab Connection, didn't really like it, have watched short parts of his films, but end up getting bored and switching over.
German Turks they are different to Turks you meet elsewhere. I mean I know Turks from all over the world, I don't understand why it can be so difficult for them to integrate and retain their Turkish identity. A lot of them speak of these problems.... its not something I have encountered anywhere else.
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Post by turkish on Feb 15, 2011 5:43:04 GMT -5
Not only Germans have this problem, when Almancilar come to Turkey in the holidays, they act tough, speak German and annoy a lot of Turks, they look down on the Turks. When they return back to Germany its all "oh I miss the motherland" "fuck germany Turkey is better"
Most of the Almanci are also Bozkurt sympathists but they dont even know what Bozkurt is lol.
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Post by toskaliku on Feb 16, 2011 11:37:49 GMT -5
Its about size. The Turks in Germany are a very very large community. Elsewhere not so much. England has its own immigrant problems and, just as in Germany, they are problems that relate to the whole.
I kind of like that Turks don't assimilate. Good for them! You don't want to be like Albanians in Greece who have become assimilated into the nazi-racist society of modern Greece, where immigrants are attacked by mobs.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 16, 2011 13:06:55 GMT -5
Melty, we have been in the UK since the 1920s yet most have kept their Identity of Turk, albeit British Turk. In Britain the difference to other countries is we don't cut ourselves off from the rest of the country. In Germany and Holland the Turks gather in their own streets and areas, they shop at Turkish bakeries and supermarkets, the listen to Turkish music, they watch only Turkish TV, the read Turkish newspapers, yet they claim benefits from that country. Disability benefits, unemployment benefits etc.
Other ethnic groups in the UK do the same as the Turks in Germany and Holland, especially the Asians (the Bangladeshi for example in mile end) The Orthodox Jews in Stamford Hill.
This is not stopping assimilation, this is actually ignoring integration.
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Post by turkish on Feb 16, 2011 14:48:07 GMT -5
Its about size. The Turks in Germany are a very very large community. Elsewhere not so much. England has its own immigrant problems and, just as in Germany, they are problems that relate to the whole. I kind of like that Turks don't assimilate. Good for them! You don't want to be like Albanians in Greece who have become assimilated into the nazi-racist society of modern Greece, where immigrants are attacked by mobs. Indeed, Turks are the same everywhere were you meet them, they have socio economical problems in Germany. But thats not the result of watching Turkish TV, reading Turkish newspaper or listening to Turkish music. Their problem is education. I went to university, did I give up on Turkish culture and media? No. The problem lie in the youth. I live in Belgium, 2nd generation Turk, my father is a house doctor, his patients are not only Turks but also Belgians, my friend did his 7th year and got his masters degree for becoming also a doctor. He is a devout muslim from the Nurcu movement. Some people blame why they fail to integrate, some say Islam, some say they're too Turkish etc, but the problem is education. Some people really think we're living in enclaves here lmao, I pity for them, may god help them with their ignorance.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 16, 2011 15:37:51 GMT -5
No amount of education can take the village out of the villager.
You don't meet many "educated" Turks who justify criminal activity. Most are law abiding citizens and don't "fake" marriages with their own cousins.
There are sometimes exceptions though.
Going to university doesn't make you "educated" in regards to integration, the UK is a hub for immigration, there are people from all over the world and most of them integrated perfectly. The Turkish Cypriots for example, many did not have university education, yet they are extremely successful in their businesses, speak fluent English, celebrate the many festivals and have settled into the UK routine.
Just to clarify, the Turks in the UK, also read the Turkish papers and watch the TV, but also watch English tv and read the English newspapers too!
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Post by terroreign on Feb 16, 2011 15:51:06 GMT -5
I think this phenomenon (strong 2nd 3rd generation non-integrated ethnic minorities in western countries) has the most to do with size, and class issues. Similar situation as the German Turks can be seen with the Italian-Americans, Austrian Serbs, Armenian Americans, Chinese etc.
When a group has the size, there's no push to learn the domestic language, culture, or mingle with outsiders. In addition to this, these groups are of low-working class and thus tend to be more conservative, and naturally a bit oppositional to their host countries.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Feb 16, 2011 16:05:32 GMT -5
I watch all of his films. Last one I watched was Soul Kitchen. Good movie indeed, and fun to watch. Main character is Greek by the way.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 16, 2011 16:41:47 GMT -5
I think this phenomenon (strong 2nd 3rd generation non-integrated ethnic minorities in western countries) has the most to do with size, and class issues. Similar situation as the German Turks can be seen with the Italian-Americans, Austrian Serbs, Armenian Americans, Chinese etc. When a group has the size, there's no push to learn the domestic language, culture, or mingle with outsiders. In addition to this, these groups are of low-working class and thus tend to be more conservative, and naturally a bit oppositional to their host countries. Krivo some of the Turks in Germany 2nd generation just about speak German...
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Post by turkish on Feb 16, 2011 17:02:21 GMT -5
I think this phenomenon (strong 2nd 3rd generation non-integrated ethnic minorities in western countries) has the most to do with size, and class issues. Similar situation as the German Turks can be seen with the Italian-Americans, Austrian Serbs, Armenian Americans, Chinese etc. When a group has the size, there's no push to learn the domestic language, culture, or mingle with outsiders. In addition to this, these groups are of low-working class and thus tend to be more conservative, and naturally a bit oppositional to their host countries. Krivo some of the Turks in Germany 2nd generation just about speak German... Some of them only speak German, not even Turkish. If the youth had a good education, they wouldn't be so Bozkurt Ottoman cCc nationalist. I mean I am nationalist too but the Almancis make me ashamed of being nationalist, they don't even know what Bozkurt means yet they use the sign...
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 16, 2011 17:20:12 GMT -5
Yea they can be educated Nurcu's like ur friends. much better.... lmao
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Post by kijgol on Feb 16, 2011 17:29:41 GMT -5
So I'm watching the movie and I know I've seen the main actress somewhere. Go to a porn website and type in turkish and she comes up lol. I knew she looked familiar.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 16, 2011 17:34:49 GMT -5
is it sibek kekilli?
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 16, 2011 17:52:17 GMT -5
don't think il click the link, but she is the only Turk I know who did porn.
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Post by kijgol on Feb 16, 2011 18:03:04 GMT -5
Ok I deleted the link. It prob was her then.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 16, 2011 18:04:54 GMT -5
good idea
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Post by turkish on Feb 16, 2011 18:27:51 GMT -5
So I'm watching the movie and I know I've seen the main actress somewhere. Go to a porn website and type in turkish and she comes up lol. I knew she looked familiar. You watched Gegen die wand too? @desire: and the reason you're randomly posting that? Old men turn you on?
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