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Post by uz on Mar 8, 2011 17:48:10 GMT -5
The greatest nations have all acted like gangsters and the smallest like prostitutes. -Stanley Kubrick To me, it seems a dreadful indignity to have a soul controlled by geography. -George SantayanaI love that these do not apply to Serbs. The second one is particularly poignant to Bosniak nationalists who expect Serbs and Croats to be loyal to its nation because they are within its borders. I find that stupid. Don't fool yourself. Every country in the Balkans are acting like prostitutes. We are not acting soveriegn at all.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 8, 2011 21:58:52 GMT -5
Don't fool yourself. Every country in the Balkans are acting like prostitutes. We are not acting soveriegn at all.
Oh yeah, western Balkans have been pimped in a major way in the past 20 years. Even the resources have been and are being sold piece by piece for the benefit of the handful while puppets remain in position keeping the people blindfolded.
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Post by uz on Mar 8, 2011 22:01:11 GMT -5
Yep, the kings and queens, doing their work.
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Post by emer on Mar 8, 2011 22:02:53 GMT -5
I am sure there are multitudes of other, better, things people can identify with which are far more sane. Nationalism is nothing more then stripping individuality and herding people into packs and leading them towards the water well of hate. It is behavior that is fully animalistic come to think of it since there is no logic involved but pure (usually negative) emotion. When it is presented in a more intense light it appears to have a form of mass insanity. There is no way that this is necessary evil but something that future world will regard as form of mental disorder. The only thing that will be necessary about it is the medications for more severe cases. With nationalism, people like Serbs and Albanians fight each other. Without it, they fight each other and their own kind. Nationalism is just another way of keeping people organized. So if you think about it, nationalism saves more lives.
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Post by uz on Mar 8, 2011 22:08:57 GMT -5
Serbs and Albanians will always have certain issues with their own. The presense of nationalism has no effect in that degree.
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Post by emer on Mar 8, 2011 22:31:46 GMT -5
Not just Serbs and Albanians but everyone will have these "certain issues." That's why people need to be controlled, not in a way that's not democratic, just organized.
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Post by uz on Mar 8, 2011 22:37:19 GMT -5
Really? So you only associate yourself with your "own-kind"?
It has nothing to do with the content in character one has?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 8, 2011 22:40:35 GMT -5
With nationalism, people like Serbs and Albanians fight each other. Without it, they fight each other and their own kind. Nationalism is just another way of keeping people organized. So if you think about it, nationalism saves more lives. The only reason why nationalism is on more higher levels in Balkans is because of two reasons: a) economic hardship; and b) recent wars. Both increase the stress levels within the population which leaves them emotionally susceptible to plague called nationalism. The more time has elapsed from war era and the more economy improves the more people relax and more they stray from its, as someone said, toxic influence. Nationalism is divisive by nature and in no way nurturing and embraces only its own kind without tolerance for other opinions. It is extremely conditional and thus it is false relationship with ones people. They are desirable only for as long they fit the vision. It can be easily manipulated by others via puppets who are there only to serve their interests. It is a blindfold placed over people's eyes to divert from real issues. Potential subordination of the puppets means mutating nationalism into even smaller, localist versions which are even easier to control. It is malignant cancerous tissue upon healthy body.
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Post by uz on Mar 8, 2011 22:45:38 GMT -5
Nationalism, is most fragile amongst older cultures.
The western-world hasn't been really hit by this epidemic, which in reality is why they are ahead.
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Post by emer on Mar 8, 2011 23:57:18 GMT -5
Really? So you only associate yourself with your "own-kind"? It has nothing to do with the content in character one has? What does the content of a person's character have to do with nationalism? How are you going to know the characters of millions of people? Too much nationalism can be bad, but so can too much of anything. Instead of wanting to get rid of it, why not just use it in moderation?
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Post by emer on Mar 8, 2011 23:58:31 GMT -5
With nationalism, people like Serbs and Albanians fight each other. Without it, they fight each other and their own kind. Nationalism is just another way of keeping people organized. So if you think about it, nationalism saves more lives. The only reason why nationalism is on more higher levels in Balkans is because of two reasons: a) economic hardship; and b) recent wars. Both increase the stress levels within the population which leaves them emotionally susceptible to plague called nationalism. The more time has elapsed from war era and the more economy improves the more people relax and more they stray from its, as someone said, toxic influence. Nationalism is divisive by nature and in no way nurturing and embraces only its own kind without tolerance for other opinions. It is extremely conditional and thus it is false relationship with ones people. They are desirable only for as long they fit the vision. It can be easily manipulated by others via puppets who are there only to serve their interests. It is a blindfold placed over people's eyes to divert from real issues. Potential subordination of the puppets means mutating nationalism into even smaller, localist versions which are even easier to control. It is malignant cancerous tissue upon healthy body. Too much nationalism can be bad, but so can too much of anything. Instead of wanting to get rid of it, why not just use it in moderation?
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Post by uz on Mar 8, 2011 23:59:55 GMT -5
It can be easily manipulated by others via puppets who are there only to serve their interests. It is a blindfold placed over people's eyes to divert from real issues. LoL, this should sound familiar to everyone.
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Post by emer on Mar 9, 2011 0:01:31 GMT -5
Nationalism, is most fragile amongst older cultures. The western-world hasn't been really hit by this epidemic, which in reality is why they are ahead. Really it hasn't? What keeps Amerika united? National pride in similar language, similar beliefs, reality tv obsession. It sounds stupid but it's things that keep people united.
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Post by uz on Mar 9, 2011 0:07:45 GMT -5
Americans are united because they're crippled together. They're obsession to a lifestyle is by no means nationalism.
Immigrants who give into the "american-dream", don't necessarily betray their nationalities they have just chosen a new lifestyle.
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Post by terroreign on Mar 9, 2011 1:08:10 GMT -5
With nationalism, people like Serbs and Albanians fight each other. Without it, they fight each other and their own kind. Nationalism is just another way of keeping people organized. So if you think about it, nationalism saves more lives. The only reason why nationalism is on more higher levels in Balkans is because of two reasons: a) economic hardship; and b) recent wars. Both increase the stress levels within the population which leaves them emotionally susceptible to plague called nationalism. The more time has elapsed from war era and the more economy improves the more people relax and more they stray from its, as someone said, toxic influence. Nationalism is divisive by nature and in no way nurturing and embraces only its own kind without tolerance for other opinions. It is extremely conditional and thus it is false relationship with ones people. They are desirable only for as long they fit the vision. It can be easily manipulated by others via puppets who are there only to serve their interests. It is a blindfold placed over people's eyes to divert from real issues. Potential subordination of the puppets means mutating nationalism into even smaller, localist versions which are even easier to control. It is malignant cancerous tissue upon healthy body. But then you're in for a question: Serbs have been in almost constant war since they arrived in the Balkans, is nationalism is a product of warring, or warring the product of nationalism.
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Post by emer on Mar 9, 2011 7:44:10 GMT -5
Americans are united because they're crippled together. They're obsession to a lifestyle is by no means nationalism. Immigrants who give into the "american-dream", don't necessarily betray their nationalities they have just chosen a new lifestyle. It's a form of nationalism. Anyway, what is your alternative to nationalism? You can't just have millions of people hold hands and sing kumbaya. A good example of the dangers of not having nationalism, is that Hitler and those people he targeted were not nationalist in the true sense. In the other thread you said you don't follow Turkish politics but you want a Balkan Union? This to me, shows your hidden racism because at least a part of Turkey is in the Balkans and you didn't even think to include them.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Mar 9, 2011 11:14:32 GMT -5
I am sure there are multitudes of other, better, things people can identify with which are far more sane. Nationalism is nothing more then stripping individuality and herding people into packs and leading them towards the water well of hate. It is behavior that is fully animalistic come to think of it since there is no logic involved but pure (usually negative) emotion. When it is presented in a more intense light it appears to have a form of mass insanity. There is no way that this is necessary evil but something that future world will regard as form of mental disorder. The only thing that will be necessary about it is the medications for more severe cases. With nationalism, people like Serbs and Albanians fight each other. Without it, they fight each other and their own kind. Nationalism is just another way of keeping people organized. So if you think about it, nationalism saves more lives. Nationalism saves more lives? You're simply talking about making enemies and friends based on geography. That's like saying Fascism saves more lives simply because it united Italy.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Mar 9, 2011 11:15:46 GMT -5
Not just Serbs and Albanians but everyone will have these "certain issues." That's why people need to be controlled, not in a way that's not democratic, just organized. Controlled by whom? Other people? What controls those people?
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Mar 9, 2011 11:16:21 GMT -5
With nationalism, people like Serbs and Albanians fight each other. Without it, they fight each other and their own kind. Nationalism is just another way of keeping people organized. So if you think about it, nationalism saves more lives. The only reason why nationalism is on more higher levels in Balkans is because of two reasons: a) economic hardship; and b) recent wars. Both increase the stress levels within the population which leaves them emotionally susceptible to plague called nationalism. The more time has elapsed from war era and the more economy improves the more people relax and more they stray from its, as someone said, toxic influence. Nationalism is divisive by nature and in no way nurturing and embraces only its own kind without tolerance for other opinions. It is extremely conditional and thus it is false relationship with ones people. They are desirable only for as long they fit the vision. It can be easily manipulated by others via puppets who are there only to serve their interests. It is a blindfold placed over people's eyes to divert from real issues. Potential subordination of the puppets means mutating nationalism into even smaller, localist versions which are even easier to control. It is malignant cancerous tissue upon healthy body. Too much nationalism can be bad, but so can too much of anything. Instead of wanting to get rid of it, why not just use it in moderation? Shall I say the same thing about Nazism , Fascism , and Communism?
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Mar 9, 2011 11:24:29 GMT -5
With nationalism, people like Serbs and Albanians fight each other. Without it, they fight each other and their own kind. Nationalism is just another way of keeping people organized. So if you think about it, nationalism saves more lives. The only reason why nationalism is on more higher levels in Balkans is because of two reasons: a) economic hardship; and b) recent wars. Both increase the stress levels within the population which leaves them emotionally susceptible to plague called nationalism. The more time has elapsed from war era and the more economy improves the more people relax and more they stray from its, as someone said, toxic influence. Nationalism is divisive by nature and in no way nurturing and embraces only its own kind without tolerance for other opinions. It is extremely conditional and thus it is false relationship with ones people. They are desirable only for as long they fit the vision. It can be easily manipulated by others via puppets who are there only to serve their interests. It is a blindfold placed over people's eyes to divert from real issues. Potential subordination of the puppets means mutating nationalism into even smaller, localist versions which are even easier to control. It is malignant cancerous tissue upon healthy body. But then you're in for a question: Serbs have been in almost constant war since they arrived in the Balkans, is nationalism is a product of warring, or warring the product of nationalism. True , warring has been going on since the dawn of civilization, no one will argue there. And war , at its root , is the product of people wanting to forcibly extract and control resources from others or wanting to impose a way of life upon others. War didn't begin with nationalism , however , nationalism provides a smooth conduit for waging war, in other words , it is a popular reason , especially in modern times , to go to war. Nationalism might create unity among a set group of people but also necessarily creates more division between the national group and exterior groups that fall out that geo-ethnic/political sphere. Nationalism caught on with the Serbs and other Balkan groups when leaders realized that it was a powerful tool of achieving political power and influence. In the Balkans it fed off the divisions already beset by religion ( it's no coincidence that the majority of nations have a similar religious make up).
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