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Post by engers on Nov 8, 2007 10:48:57 GMT -5
Allen Rishar- the former France Defense Minister The unresolved Kosovo status would represent an obstacle to the full membership of Serbia in the EU, Allen Rishar, the former France Defence Minister, said yesterday for “Blic”. As a current state counselor and vice-president of the European Socialist Party, he is taking an active part in the improvement of the foreign and defense policy of the EU. Congratulating Belgrade on initialing of Stabilization and Association Agreement, Rishar added that despite the wish of the EU to see Serbia as their member, there are still some “problematic issues”. The unresolved Kosovo status is in the first place, then finalizing of the Hague cooperation, as well as various technical and legal points which can seriously hinder the whole process and extend it for another five to six years. The solving of the Kosovo status can definitively affect the Euro-integration process of Serbia. Without the resolution of the Kosovo status, there is no full membership of Serbia in the EU. According to Rishar, the worst option would be the Albanian proclamation of independence, since it would badly affect the region, as well as the EU, because each of the 27 members would have a different stance. [ftp]http://www.blic.co.yu/news.php?id=1001[/ftp]
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Post by radovic on Nov 8, 2007 15:54:11 GMT -5
And the EU said the same thing about Cyprus. Clearly this is the opinion of someone and historical precedences show this is not the case. Ireland join the EU while it claimed the north as part of it's territory. And Cyprus has entered with an unresolved status.
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Post by donnie on Nov 8, 2007 17:58:22 GMT -5
And the EU said the same thing about Cyprus. Clearly this is the opinion of someone and historical precedences show this is not the case. Ireland join the EU while it claimed the north as part of it's territory. And Cyprus has entered with an unresolved status. Ireland is a different issue. The irishmen themselves aren't so confident in a union of the whole island. The celtic tiger aside, Ireland's economy is to little, as are its resources, to maintain stability in Northern Ireland while simultaneously supporting it financially. For a great economy such as Britain's, such a thing goes away more unnoticed. As for Cyprus; the Greek faction wasn't the one in trouble with EU; it was the Turkish Cypriots who 'failed' living up to the conditions dictated by EU as a mean of accession. Why punish those you intended to help? Likewise, EU might just block Serbia, like with Northern Cyprus, and let Kosova join. Which wouldn't be an enviable position to be on for your part.
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Post by Fender on Nov 8, 2007 20:21:48 GMT -5
And the EU said the same thing about Cyprus. Clearly this is the opinion of someone and historical precedences show this is not the case. Ireland join the EU while it claimed the north as part of it's territory. And Cyprus has entered with an unresolved status. Ireland is a different issue. The irishmen themselves aren't so confident in a union of the whole island. The celtic tiger aside, Ireland's economy is to little, as are its resources, to maintain stability in Northern Ireland while simultaneously supporting it financially. For a great economy such as Britain's, such a thing goes away more unnoticed. As for Cyprus; the Greek faction wasn't the one in trouble with EU; it was the Turkish Cypriots who 'failed' living up to the conditions dictated by EU as a mean of accession. Why punish those you intended to help? Likewise, EU might just block Serbia, like with Northern Cyprus, and let Kosova join. Which wouldn't be an enviable position to be on for your part. To join the EU, you at least need to be a country and recognised by the UN as a minimum. In Kosovos case, this is the main hurdle. Without formal recognition, there will be no UN ascestion.
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Post by tripwire on Nov 8, 2007 21:44:01 GMT -5
"To join the EU, you at least need to be a country and recognised by the UN as a minimum. In Kosovos case, this is the main hurdle. Without formal recognition, there will be no UN ascestion. "
EU ministers said Kosova will be in the EU once the EU mission takes over from the UN. Kosova will be in the EU many years before Serbia.
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Post by Fender on Nov 9, 2007 2:11:41 GMT -5
"To join the EU, you at least need to be a country and recognised by the UN as a minimum. In Kosovos case, this is the main hurdle. Without formal recognition, there will be no UN ascestion. " EU ministers said Kosova will be in the EU once the EU mission takes over from the UN. Kosova will be in the EU many years before Serbia. Wrong again.
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Post by diurpaneus on Nov 9, 2007 14:30:54 GMT -5
" EU ministers said Kosova will be in the EU once the EU mission takes over from the UN. Kosova will be in the EU many years before Serbia. ;D ;D ;D Be serious. Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Slovenia and all the other countries that recently joined the EU had at least 10 years of economic and social reforms. Kosovo will need at least 20 years to reach EU standards. Second, do you think the EU is STUPID to take a problem unto itself, a problem like Kosovo?
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Post by radovic on Nov 9, 2007 15:50:48 GMT -5
"To join the EU, you at least need to be a country and recognised by the UN as a minimum. In Kosovos case, this is the main hurdle. Without formal recognition, there will be no UN ascestion. " EU ministers said Kosova will be in the EU once the EU mission takes over from the UN. Kosova will be in the EU many years before Serbia. Are you serious. It means the Eu will takeover the role of the UNMIK. It will not mean Kosovo will be part of the EU. The truth is Kosovo will probably be in the EU 10 years after the rest of the Balkans. Given that EU accession is often done due to the symbolism of dates it means that the rest of the Balkans will join in 2012 while kosovo will join in 2022 at the earliest. If Kosovo were independent.
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Post by donnie on Nov 9, 2007 17:55:00 GMT -5
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I am confident some exception can be made if a general consensus within EU for the recognition of Kosova's independence can be reached.
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Be serious.
Most of those countries (with the exception of Slovenia, which in terms of population is equivalent to Kosova) are far bigger than our region, and their economic stability was/is of more importance since they're so many (as well as big); taking them in without ensuring that they were economically progressive and socially acceptable (in terms of democratic reforms and implementing various human rights legislation) would be a great risk. Kosova with is miniature size would surely passed unnoticed if accepted into the union. An exception for Kosova has already been made with the adoption of the euro as the province's currency.
That doesn't mean, however, that this scenario will be the case. But, it could mean that the EU will be less harsh when passing a judgmenet on Kosova.
Personally, I believe EU will gradually take over UNMIK's role as a supervisor of Kosova, supporting it with subsidies until it reaches economic stability.
How is it stupid? The yanks have already given some signs that they might gradually withdraw from Kosova and turn over much of the respoinsibility to EU. Speculations have already been made EU succeeding UNMIK. I think this is specifically of symbolical but also concrete importance for the Europeans. Some irritation has been detected when the Americans took initiative to end the war in Kosova and the horrendous crimes which were being perpetrated by the Serbian army & police. It is afterall EU's "backyard", and the Americans very much prooved that there is a large extent of political inefficiancy in EU due to how it is structured.
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Kosova has the euro currency; not even all EU members have it (such as Britain & Sweden). If such an exception can be made, I'm sure also an exception can be made on the date of accession. I'm just speculating. But given Kosova's (in modern terms) unique history, the EU might very well consider to allow a premature membership for the sake of stability.
Or, as you said, it will join 10 years later. But if I know you by now, you're hoping EU will be gone by then, right?
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Post by tripwire on Nov 9, 2007 21:25:53 GMT -5
" Second, do you think the EU is STUPID to take a problem unto itself, a problem like Kosovo? "
The Eu took in Greece, Cyprus, Romania and Bulgaria, didn't they? That says alot about who they'll let in. This club is on its last heels economically. As they pay out half their budget in welfare to the Bulgarians, Romanians, Greece, Cyprus ; and getting less for their EURO..from nations like the US, Britain, Russia, China..etc..this means less tourists and more more of trade deficits for EU as a whole.
Also, Kosova's problems have mostly been resolved. But on the other hand, Italy appears to view Romania as one nation who made membership in this club completely worthless. How is it that, since joining two years ago, Romania has 1 million of its citizens in Italy? There was no war going on in Romania, as in Kosova. After Italy's tragedy of a Romanian raping and murdering an officer's wife, the rest of Europe will probably begin to have interpol check backgrounds on all Romanians travelling. So far, I heard Italy has started deporting all Romanians with criminal histories. Some in their congress want all Romanians out of Rome and forget what Burlusconi's party wants. lolol Romania? lololol
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Post by Fender on Nov 10, 2007 2:35:22 GMT -5
Fender I am confident some exception can be made if a general consensus within EU for the recognition of Kosova's independence can be reached. Diurpaneus Be serious. Most of those countries (with the exception of Slovenia, which in terms of population is equivalent to Kosova) are far bigger than our region, and their economic stability was/is of more importance since they're so many (as well as big); taking them in without ensuring that they were economically progressive and socially acceptable (in terms of democratic reforms and implementing various human rights legislation) would be a great risk. Kosova with is miniature size would surely passed unnoticed if accepted into the union. An exception for Kosova has already been made with the adoption of the euro as the province's currency. That doesn't mean, however, that this scenario will be the case. But, it could mean that the EU will be less harsh when passing a judgmenet on Kosova. Personally, I believe EU will gradually take over UNMIK's role as a supervisor of Kosova, supporting it with subsidies until it reaches economic stability. How is it stupid? The yanks have already given some signs that they might gradually withdraw from Kosova and turn over much of the respoinsibility to EU. Speculations have already been made EU succeeding UNMIK. I think this is specifically of symbolical but also concrete importance for the Europeans. Some irritation has been detected when the Americans took initiative to end the war in Kosova and the horrendous crimes which were being perpetrated by the Serbian army & police. It is afterall EU's "backyard", and the Americans very much prooved that there is a large extent of political inefficiancy in EU due to how it is structured. radovic Kosova has the euro currency; not even all EU members have it (such as Britain & Sweden). If such an exception can be made, I'm sure also an exception can be made on the date of accession. I'm just speculating. But given Kosova's (in modern terms) unique history, the EU might very well consider to allow a premature membership for the sake of stability. Or, as you said, it will join 10 years later. But if I know you by now, you're hoping EU will be gone by then, right? If you start making exceptions, you only bring disorder to your own house. I'm telling you now, there is no indication that the EU will pull it into the "EU" while Serbia has a claim on the land.
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Post by Fender on Nov 10, 2007 2:37:56 GMT -5
" Second, do you think the EU is STUPID to take a problem unto itself, a problem like Kosovo? " The Eu took in Greece, Cyprus, Romania and Bulgaria, didn't they? That says alot about who they'll let in. This club is on its last heels economically. As they pay out half their budget in welfare to the Bulgarians, Romanians, Greece, Cyprus ; and getting less for their EURO..from nations like the US, Britain, Russia, China..etc..this means less tourists and more more of trade deficits for EU as a whole. Also, Kosova's problems have mostly been resolved. But on the other hand, Italy appears to view Romania as one nation who made membership in this club completely worthless. How is it that, since joining two years ago, Romania has 1 million of its citizens in Italy? There was no war going on in Romania, as in Kosova. After Italy's tragedy of a Romanian raping and murdering an officer's wife, the rest of Europe will probably begin to have interpol check backgrounds on all Romanians travelling. So far, I heard Italy has started deporting all Romanians with criminal histories. Some in their congress want all Romanians out of Rome and forget what Burlusconi's party wants. lolol Romania? lololol Tripwire, the problems in Kosovo have become worse, not better and mosr certainly not resolved. Its obvious your pushing an agenda while looking the other way.Peple on here are not that stupid. By the way, who was that Croatan general of Albanian origin that became Kosovos president?
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Post by Pejoni on Nov 10, 2007 5:56:43 GMT -5
Second, do you think the EU is STUPID to take a problem unto itself, a problem like Kosovo? They already did when they asked the US to step away and make Kosova a EU case.
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Post by Pejoni on Nov 10, 2007 6:04:32 GMT -5
Tripwire, the problems in Kosovo have become worse, not better and mosr certainly not resolved. Its obvious your pushing an agenda while looking the other way.Peple on here are not that stupid. By the way, who was that Croatan general of Albanian origin that became Kosovos president? Worse, you mean Serbs boycotting democratic elections? Well that's their problem and they will face it when they live in Independent state with no representative in the government. You mean PM of Kosova... Sejdiu is President ;D
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Post by donnie on Nov 10, 2007 10:36:07 GMT -5
Fender If you start making exceptions, you only bring disorder to your own house. I'm telling you now, there is no indication that the EU will pull it into the "EU" while Serbia has a claim on the land. Disorder? Not necessarely. Remember Greece's accession? Greece did not fullfil the requirements of a stable economy which were necessary for membership. Nevertheless, an exception was made. This because Greece was a new democracy, with a recent civil war. Its democratic future did not rest on a stable foundation, and so, it was given EU membership to guarantee Western influence there, as a mean of neutralizing communistic states' further attempts to influence the Greeks. If they made an exception once, they can do it again. I am not saying it is going to happen, or that it is even plausible. But it would not bring 'disorder'.
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Post by tripwire on Nov 10, 2007 16:20:00 GMT -5
"I'm telling you now, there is no indication that the EU will pull it into the "EU" while Serbia has a claim on the land. " I don't know, Kostunica/Tadic signed onto SAA talks. Why pull out from a good deal now. They'll never get a better one. When EU finally ok'd the SAA agreement with Serbia, it killed off for good any claims Serbia might make on any territory outside of Belgrade. And, truly, it is in the best interests of the Serb people and a nation as a whole. Tadic and Kostunica know this well. "Tripwire, the problems in Kosovo have become worse, not better and mosr certainly not resolved. Its obvious your pushing an agenda while looking the other way.Peple on here are not that stupid."I suppose but they should know that Tadic's party and the others have already marked January as their date for local and national elections. Good timing, don't you think? This decision says a whole lot of Serbia's acceptance of the fait acompli of Kosova's status on Dec. 10. Nice of the election organizers to let Serbia's membership in EU be their nation's most important issue to decide and totally forget about Kosova's independent status coming into universal acceptance. www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=11&dd=10&nav_id=45274"By the way, who was that Croatan general of Albanian origin that became Kosovos president? " Thanks Pejoni for correcting me. And, Happy Birthday, btw. Still, This general went on to become the PM of Kosova, while the Croatian general went into a Hague cell. I guess Croats are better at getting caught for their misdeeds than Albanians.
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Post by diurpaneus on Nov 11, 2007 3:09:45 GMT -5
" Second, do you think the EU is STUPID to take a problem unto itself, a problem like Kosovo? " The Eu took in Greece, Cyprus, Romania and Bulgaria, didn't they? That says alot about who they'll let in. This club is on its last heels economically. As they pay out half their budget in welfare to the Bulgarians, Romanians, Greece, Cyprus ; and getting less for their EURO..from nations like the US, Britain, Russia, China..etc..this means less tourists and more more of trade deficits for EU as a whole. This just proved you know nothing about what`s happening in the EU. Every country, and I mean EVERY member country, pays a tax to the EU budget every year. This tax is according to the countries GDP and population. So that means that Romania, which has 25mil inhabitants, pays more to the EU budget than Bulgaria, Hungary, Slovenia and other countries with about the same GDP as ours but less population. The EU didn`t "take us in" for free. The rest of you post is not worth answering.
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Post by tripwire on Nov 11, 2007 11:47:07 GMT -5
"Every country, and I mean EVERY member country, pays a tax to the EU budget every year. This tax is according to the countries GDP and population. So that means that Romania, which has 25mil inhabitants, pays more to the EU budget than Bulgaria, Hungary, Slovenia and other countries with about the same GDP as ours but less population. The EU didn`t "take us in" for free. "
What is the rate? .001% on the euro for Romania compared to 15% for Italy? Show us the stats before you begin with your propaganda. Again, it's nations like Italy, Germany and France that support weak lazy Romania and Bulgaria's of Europe. With 1 million of your citizens in Italy, again, and many committing the crimes there NOW, Romania has shown all of Europe that they should have thought more carefully of taking Turkey in before any Romania or Bulgaria or Greece or Cyprus. I'm sure that if a comparison was made, the overall contribution of these 4 loser nations vs. their TAKE from the EU treasury it will most likely turn out to be 1 euro contribution for every 5 million euros taken by these nations..lololol! I'm sure Germany and Italy are banging their heads against the walls right now.
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Post by diurpaneus on Nov 11, 2007 14:36:10 GMT -5
"Every country, and I mean EVERY member country, pays a tax to the EU budget every year. This tax is according to the countries GDP and population. So that means that Romania, which has 25mil inhabitants, pays more to the EU budget than Bulgaria, Hungary, Slovenia and other countries with about the same GDP as ours but less population. The EU didn`t "take us in" for free. " Show us the stats before you begin with your propaganda. linkTranslation: Romania will contribute this year to the communitary budget, according to the previous agreements, with 1,1 bilion Euro. - That's a pretty nice sum for a country who switched from socialist economy to the capitalist one in 15 years. Anyway, this subject is about Kosovo and not Romania, Bulgaria, Greece or Cyprus who you seem to hate so much. Now plese, if you are such a smart ass, provide us with some information about Kosovo's economical competence. --- PS: Your slander only prooves that you are an assh0le, dude.
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Post by tripwire on Nov 11, 2007 16:57:22 GMT -5
"Every country, and I mean EVERY member country, pays a tax to the EU budget every year. This tax is according to the countries GDP and population. So that means that Romania, which has 25mil inhabitants, pays more to the EU budget than Bulgaria, Hungary, Slovenia and other countries with about the same GDP as ours but less population. The EU didn`t "take us in" for free. " Show us the stats before you begin with your propaganda. linkTranslation: Romania will contribute this year to the communitary budget, according to the previous agreements, with 1,1 bilion Euro. - That's a pretty nice sum for a country who switched from socialist economy to the capitalist one in 15 years. Anyway, this subject is about Kosovo and not Romania, Bulgaria, Greece or Cyprus who you seem to hate so much. Now plese, if you are such a smart ass, provide us with some information about Kosovo's economical competence. --- PS: Your slander only prooves that you are an assh0le, dude. EU grants Romania over 31.5 billion euros ($38 Billion) Bucharest Daily News - September 16, 2005 Alecs Iancu The European Union intends to grant a total of 44.3 billion euros in financial aid to Bulgaria and Romania in the first seven years of their membership of the bloc which is expected to start in Jan. 2007, Bulgarian News Network agency reported. Out of the total, Romania will receive 31.5 billion euros www.roconsulboston.com/Pages/InfoPages/Businesspages/EUInfo/EUFunding.htmlSo much for slander. Eu keeps their payouts in tidy order and easy to find indexes. You should be more careful who you accuse of slander.
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