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Post by coris on May 5, 2011 10:26:07 GMT -5
Well my story is a little complicated. I am turkish and my family came to Turkey in 1912 as written in the record office. My paternal side is albanian and my maternal side is bit more mixed. My father's family is kinda complete albanians that fit every stereotype turks give to albanians:D Some are funny some are meaningless but most of the time I get asked around: "are you a muhacir?"(balkan immigrant) or when a get angry and start screaming people say "careful he is albanian:P" They came from kolonje, telepene and ioannina as far as a know. They came to turkey without a word of turkish and settled in istanbul. My mother's family is half albanian, coming from permet, and half something( to be honest i cannot find this out... my mother's paternal side used to live in thesseloniki, could speak greek but apparently they came to turkey after its conquest?) However, there are some real blanks here... First of, it is clear that my father's ancestors were albanian, no doubt about that but why did they choose to come to Turkey? I know there was the 2nd Balkan war going but they chose to come to Turkey? seriosly why? They had not attachments to turkey since they were turkish or turkish speakers. Also, my mother's ancestors are kinda unclear. The same problem is present with the albanian ancestors. Why did they left permet and came to turkey? Also, my greek speaking ancestor coming to turkey when greece took over the city? Mysterious indeed:P... When both families came to Turkey, they slowly got a little assimilited over the years, my mother's family more so. I guess it was the homogenous situation that kept my father's family cling on to their origins more than my mother's family. My paternal family and I are still proud to say we are albanians where as my mother says that she is turkish whose family came from the balkan a looong time ago. My grandfather and my grandmom can still speak fluent albanian to this day(I kinda wanna see them thrown into an albanian community for several day, just to see how they fare speaking pre 1912 albanian:D) Well this is my family's story... Do you know when did your mother's paternal family came to Turkey? Maybe they could speak Greek because they were Greeks? Ever thought about that? I'm really suprised that you don't know why your father's family chose Turkey.Surely it has something to do with the fact that Turkey was Albania's former ruler? Were your ancestors religious? well I think(although not sure) they came around 1897 or 1912 will need to check tho. They don't know if they are greeks otherwise why would they choose turkey? They aren't that religious btw... actually not religious at all.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jun 11, 2011 14:31:27 GMT -5
Thessaloniki was an ethnically mixed city.Greeks,Turks and Sephardi Jews lived there.A cosmopolitan city it was.
That's where Ataturk came from too.
I'm not suprised your Selanik ancestors spoke Greek.Usually,in such a place,the inhabitants knew each others' language.
Did your Selanik ancestors know Turkish too? Was their first language Greek?
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Post by coris on Jun 12, 2011 13:28:06 GMT -5
No, they only spoke greek as far as I know.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jun 12, 2011 20:09:30 GMT -5
You said your mother's paternal family came to Turkey after it's conquest,whose conquest? After Greece annexed Thessaloniki from the Ottoman Empire?
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Post by coris on Jun 13, 2011 3:00:10 GMT -5
Yeah after thessaloniki's annexation by greece
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Post by hellboy87 on Jun 13, 2011 8:57:20 GMT -5
Then I guess that family of yours are ethnic Greeks.
So you are a Turk of Albanian and Greek(Grecian) ancestry.
I'm just curious,what were some of your Greek ancestors' full names like? Did they have a family name? Did they use a patronymic name? I'm talking about the time before Turkey was established.
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Post by kendjelic on Jun 28, 2011 14:46:16 GMT -5
On my dads side, my grandmother was 100% Italian (northern) and my grandfathers was a mystery. I decided to do some research starting with ship manifests into Ellis Island in the states. This is where I found a surname change and then searched and asked questions online. Ended up being able to trace that side to mid-late 1700's in Croatia along the Drava and the Hungarian border. That side stopped at the surnames Kendjelic and Bosnjak.
On my mom's side it is a mystery which drives me insane. She was adopted and we are having a hard time getting them to release her documents. One day hopefully.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 28, 2011 15:27:43 GMT -5
@coris
the muslims of the Balkans moved (or had to flee) to Turkey especially after the first Balkan war in which Turkey lost most of its European territories. The best example are the Turks of cities like Monastiri (slav. Bitola) which was a cultural centre of of turkish Islam in the Balkans. After the first Balkan war most of them had to flee.
The peculiar thing is that when we say "Turks" we should better say "muslims", the expulsions and destructions were directed at everything muslim...no one did really care if you are a muslim Turk or a muslim Albanian...or a muslim Greek.
So at that time many Balkan (albanian) muslims moved to Turkey and of course not to Albania since dont forget that this country was founded in 1912....at that this people did not really have a national consciousness at that time like the other Balkan peoples...
I find a little strange though that your Greek ancestors were expeled too in 1912, as I know the muslims of Greece were not touched in 1912...but maybe there were some who were expeled or fled voluntarily fearing the Greek (orthodox) liberators.
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Post by Protospatha on Jun 28, 2012 6:26:27 GMT -5
I can trace my paternal male ancestry to 1550, when my surname appeared in the island of Amorgos. Almost at the same time the surname appeared in Italy, so here I am. It came from Asia Minor and is probably of Thracian origin. I think it was in Asia Minor since Alexander the Great's time, when he conquered the Thracians and used auxiliary troops from Thrace in his conquest of Asia Minor. The proofs of Thracian nobles outside Hellas is supported by the uncovering of inscriptions with Thracian names in Egypt/Cyrenaica, Italy and Asia Minor.
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Post by bowandarrow on Jun 28, 2012 6:52:33 GMT -5
Mine for about one hundred years in my mums family. My dad is english and possibly 1/8 Welsh.
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Post by albascorp on Jun 28, 2012 7:10:51 GMT -5
the more important question is
how important are orgins... how important are orgins to you? (wich isnt same question asabove)
for example you are proud serb and find out that you are actually a jew ? or you are greek and find out that you are actually from korowai people of new guineea
what would this mean for you ...
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Post by valmir on Jun 28, 2012 14:57:48 GMT -5
did the kla care whether their victims were Muslim christian....did they care whether they were Albania for that matter? Of couse not . .. You still sleeping pal. I had fun reading everyones comments about their origins on this thread till your FUCKING MOUTH appears and destroys everything! MICROB. BTW, From my mothers side i am 100% Albanian even from my fathers side but the Mother of my grandfather was Bosnian from Sarajevo. But i am 100% Albanian and proud.
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Post by uz on Jun 28, 2012 15:00:40 GMT -5
that's not 100%, learn math Valmire, your Slavic ancestors would be ashamed.
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Post by valmir on Jun 28, 2012 18:36:06 GMT -5
that's not 100%, learn math Valmire, your Slavic ancestors would be ashamed. Bosnians are not slavic.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 29, 2012 7:22:09 GMT -5
^ Idiot
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Post by Srpski Svet on Jul 2, 2012 17:11:57 GMT -5
that's not 100%, learn math Valmire, your Slavic ancestors would be ashamed. Bosnians are not slavic. Go see a doctor
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