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Post by Pyrros on Jul 8, 2018 7:35:16 GMT -5
Don't judge a book by its cover! Swedes are almost genetically alike Serbs, swarthy Sarbans from Afghanistan are alike too. Serbs left their seed everywhere. COPTIC EGYPTIANS THE REAL EGYPTIANS not the Arab ones say they cannot write their history without Serbs, COPTIC historians say Serbs don't know NOTHING of themselves, look at the Sinai for answers my friend! Y DNA Haplogroups are used to track origins and migration. Etruscans on patrilinear lineage are not haplogroup I or R1a (which are dominant in like 70% of all Serbs, and the same goes for almost all other Slavs) but G, so ours and theirs male Y haplogroup don't have the same mutations thus they don't hold the same origins. Good luck in proving Serbs and Etruscans have similarity. Surely some Serbs have haplogroup G, but then again their ancestors are not real Serbs, if you know what I mean, and I wouldn't be trying to make a connection there.
Ancestors of Slavs could be possibly be the infamous Sea People. Also the fact that in battle of Tollense in 1250 BC the remains which were found between the warriors was essentially a battle between Lusatian culture + Thracians (proto-Slavs) vs Hallstadt culture (proto-Germanics).
By all signs of language, geography, phonetic distance, historic interpretations, etc. the only sane version is the following :
The ancestors of the Slavs are the Slavs. There was nothing before them.
AND SMTH ELSE. About genetics......
I am 101% certain that there is more to the story. That the MOST IMPORTANT elements are not transferred via simplistic western genetics. There is more that they hide from us. I am 101% sure there is more.
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Post by Pyrros on Jul 8, 2018 7:35:52 GMT -5
How were Germans and Latins and Greeks made? The answer is not in some ancient book kept in some monastery .
THE ANSWER IS NOW BEFORE OUR BLIND EYES.
WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY (creation of Ukranian, CG, BiH, HR, Mak nations/languages) is what happened back then.
ALL OF THEM WERE RESULT OF VIOLENT COUPS DESIGNED, PLANNED EXECUTED BY SATAN, to break down and divide the SLAVS.
So, what the Slavs should do is reverse the course of this damnation :
RE UNITE!!
yeah... this will not be so peaceful but it will be the ONLY path to salvation... SLAVAtion...
Slavic countries have become much to diverse for anything of the sort....
who cares?
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 8, 2018 7:38:36 GMT -5
Slavic countries have become much to diverse for anything of the sort....
who cares?
Remember Yugoslavia and what that resulted in
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 7:40:35 GMT -5
The Vandals were germanic though. Romans called everyone north of Italy Germanics. It probably has to do with mercenary Roman general Arminius whose real name was Hermann. He was of Germanic origins, and betrayed Rome by uniting all German tribes against Rome. Well I could tell you that Martin Luther spoke Polabian or some other Lechitic language (now dead) but he didn't want to translate the Bible to that language. He was also I2a haplogroup carrier so thus his ancestry is Slavic.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 8, 2018 7:41:25 GMT -5
Y DNA Haplogroups are used to track origins and migration. Etruscans on patrilinear lineage are not haplogroup I or R1a (which are dominant in like 70% of all Serbs, and the same goes for almost all other Slavs) but G, so ours and theirs male Y haplogroup don't have the same mutations thus they don't hold the same origins. Good luck in proving Serbs and Etruscans have similarity. Surely some Serbs have haplogroup G, but then again their ancestors are not real Serbs, if you know what I mean, and I wouldn't be trying to make a connection there.
Ancestors of Slavs could be possibly be the infamous Sea People. Also the fact that in battle of Tollense in 1250 BC the remains which were found between the warriors was essentially a battle between Lusatian culture + Thracians (proto-Slavs) vs Hallstadt culture (proto-Germanics).
By all signs of language, geography, phonetic distance, historic interpretations, etc. the only sane version is the following :
The ancestors of the Slavs are the Slavs. There was nothing before them.
AND SMTH ELSE. About genetics......
I am 101% certain that there is more to the story. That the MOST IMPORTANT elements are not transferred via simplistic western genetics. There is more that they hide from us. I am 101% sure there is more.
The oldest name for all slavic peoples was "Serbs" Here are some non-serb historians backing me up: Czech historian Josef Dobrovský: "If I had to give a common name for all the Slavs, it would be the name Serb". (1813) Polish Historian Lorenz Surowiecki: "The name Serb is older than Slav for all peoples of Wendic ancestry". (1828) Slovak historian Jozef Safarik: "Serbs was the oldest generic name for all Slavs" (1849).
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 8, 2018 7:49:27 GMT -5
The Vandals were germanic though. Romans called everyone north of Italy Germanics. It probably has to do with Germanic general Armenius whose real name was Hermann. Well I could tell you that Martin Luther spoke Polabian or some other Lechitic language (now dead) but he didn't want to translate the Bible to that language. He was also I2a haplogroup carrier so thus his ancestry is Slavic. Slavic peoples lived East of italy not north of italy, so the romans were probably right when they considered everything north of italy germanic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 7:51:02 GMT -5
Romans called everyone north of Italy Germanics. It probably has to do with Germanic general Armenius whose real name was Hermann. Well I could tell you that Martin Luther spoke Polabian or some other Lechitic language (now dead) but he didn't want to translate the Bible to that language. He was also I2a haplogroup carrier so thus his ancestry is Slavic. Slavic peoples lived East of italy not north of italy, so the romans were probably right when they considered everything north of italy germanic. My point is they thought Slavs are also Germanic tribes, mostly because they didn't care and probably considered all of those barbarians.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 8, 2018 7:54:05 GMT -5
Slavic peoples lived East of italy not north of italy, so the romans were probably right when they considered everything north of italy germanic. My point is they thought Slavs are also Germanic tribes, mostly because they didn't care and probably considered all of those barbarians. The quote I gave was from a BAVARIAN geographer
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 8:03:49 GMT -5
My point is they thought Slavs are also Germanic tribes, mostly because they didn't care and probably considered all of those barbarians. The quote I gave was from a BAVARIAN geographer What does it matters? Romans were first mentioning Vandals, and Romans thought Vandals are Germanic. Bavarian geographers of Holy Roman Empire by the 11th century were probably so brainwashed that they simply accepted whatever was written by those earlier Roman chroniclers.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 8, 2018 8:05:13 GMT -5
The quote I gave was from a BAVARIAN geographer What does it matters? Romans were first mentioning Vandals, and Romans thought Vandals are Germanic. Bavarian geographers of Holy Roman Empire by the 11th century were probably so brainwashed that they simply accepted whatever was written by those earlier Roman chroniclers. the odds of that are quite low if you ask me :/
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 8:17:37 GMT -5
What does it matters? Romans were first mentioning Vandals, and Romans thought Vandals are Germanic. Bavarian geographers of Holy Roman Empire by the 11th century were probably so brainwashed that they simply accepted whatever was written by those earlier Roman chroniclers. the odds of that are quite low if you ask me :/ Well, as I have Lutherans of German origins in my family I know for the fact they came to Austria-Hungary from western Germany because they were prosecuted. Catholic church was heavily involved even then so I have no doubt all those chroniclers and geographers in middle ages were working for the interest of the church. They didn't pick the methods and check the blood cells of individuas, they didn't care.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 8, 2018 8:28:17 GMT -5
the odds of that are quite low if you ask me :/ Well, as I have Lutherans of German origins in my family I know for the fact they came to Austria-Hungary from western Germany because they were prosecuted. Catholic church was heavily involved even then so I have no doubt all those chroniclers and geographers in middle ages were working for the interest of the church. They didn't pick the methods and check the blood cells of individuas, they didn't care. the Vandals are germans and Romans did not call Slavs germans, the Bavarian Geographer is saying the truth!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 8:40:57 GMT -5
Well, as I have Lutherans of German origins in my family I know for the fact they came to Austria-Hungary from western Germany because they were prosecuted. Catholic church was heavily involved even then so I have no doubt all those chroniclers and geographers in middle ages were working for the interest of the church. They didn't pick the methods and check the blood cells of individuas, they didn't care. the Vandals are germans and Romans did not call Slavs germans, the Bavarian Geographer is saying the truth!!!!!!! Well you can believe in fairies and unicorns too, but that doesn't mean they exist. The same parallel could be drawn with the Bavarian Geographer whose notes were found by "accident" in library in Munich.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 8, 2018 10:01:41 GMT -5
the Vandals are germans and Romans did not call Slavs germans, the Bavarian Geographer is saying the truth!!!!!!! Well you can believe in fairies and unicorns too, but that doesn't mean they exist. The same parallel could be drawn with the Bavarian Geographer whose notes were found by "accident" in library in Munich. When do romans mention Slavs as being Germans???
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 10:08:46 GMT -5
Well you can believe in fairies and unicorns too, but that doesn't mean they exist. The same parallel could be drawn with the Bavarian Geographer whose notes were found by "accident" in library in Munich. When do romans mention Slavs as being Germans??? No, that's not what I said. I said they don't distinguish them, and they thought Slavic tribes were Germanic. Like Vandals (aka Wends).
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 8, 2018 10:10:54 GMT -5
When do romans mention Slavs as being Germans??? No, that's not what I said. I said they don't distinguish them, and they thought Slavic tribes were Germanic. Like Vandals (aka Wends). Fine, but which roman did this when/where ?
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Post by Pyrros on Jul 8, 2018 11:18:59 GMT -5
guys history is full of BS.
The did this simple mod :
slav (slavic) -> ΣΘΛΑΒ (greek) -> SCLAV (latin) -> ΣΚΛΑΒΟΣ (greek) -> SLAVE (meaning)
you cant take western history seriously .
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 8, 2018 11:26:48 GMT -5
guys history is full of BS.
The did this simple mod :
slav (slavic) -> ΣΘΛΑΒ (greek) -> SCLAV (latin) -> ΣΚΛΑΒΟΣ (greek) -> SLAVE (meaning)
you cant take western history seriously .
Sloven is derived from Slovo in Slavic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 11:56:24 GMT -5
No, that's not what I said. I said they don't distinguish them, and they thought Slavic tribes were Germanic. Like Vandals (aka Wends). Fine, but which roman did this when/where ? Its impossible to say. Tiberius and Germanicus started campaigns against Germanic tribes in 1st century AD. Obviously second guy defeated them thus earning title Germanicus posthumuously. Romans didn't really show great interests for less developed tribes who weren't directly threatening Roman borders. That's why you hear them talking only of Germanic and Celtic people. The fact is a lot of burial sites from culture of paleolithic Europe show most of central Europe, southeastern Europe and eastern Europe to be a cradle of haplogroups R1a and I, which are not closely related to Germanics, but Slavs. Vandals being of, so called east Germanic tribes located in modern Czech Republic, were probably not even Germanic, but because they took some Germanic customs, such as wearing Swabian knot they were assumed to be Germanic by the local Latin-speaking people. I like using haplogroups for tracing ancestry, its far more secure method than reading what was written by some biased historian, as genetics don't lie.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 8, 2018 12:05:26 GMT -5
Fine, but which roman did this when/where ? Its impossible to say. Tiberius and Germanicus started campaigns against Germanic tribes in 1st century AD. Obviously second guy defeated them thus earning title Germanicus posthumuously. Romans didn't really show great interests for less developed tribes who weren't directly threatening Roman borders. That's why you hear them talking only of Germanic and Celtic people. The fact is a lot of burial sites from culture of paleolithic Europe show most of central Europe, southeastern Europe and eastern Europe to be a cradle of haplogroups R1a and I, which are not closely related to Germanics, but Slavs. Vandals being of, so called east Germanic tribes located in modern Czech Republic, were probably not even Germanic, but because they took some Germanic customs, such as wearing Swabian knot they were assumed to be Germanic by the local Latin-speaking people. I like using haplogroups for tracing ancestry, its far more secure method than reading what was written by some biased historian, as genetics don't lie. Ancient Roman and Greek historical sources refer to the early Slavic peoples as Veneti in the 1st and 2nd centuries AD en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Slavs#Origins
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