old Greek army uniforms

[brennusduxgallorum]

Greek army (early kingdom of greece)

[ujkdeti]

Very cute ;D but since when did the Greeks start looking like some Hussar Ułańi regiment?

Looks a lot like this



(One of my favorite little songs)

[brennusduxgallorum]

Jun 16, 2011 12:05:49 GMT -5 @ujkdeti said:

Very cute ;D but since when did the Greeks start looking like some Hussar Ułańi regiment?

Looks a lot like this



(One of my favorite little songs)

Since 1832, victorian era

LOL nice song BTW.Is it polish?

[ujkdeti]

Victorian era, eh... that makes more sense because it didn't look very authentic Greek.

Yes, the song is Polish. And if you like, I'll give you another one (polish/ukranian)

[brennusduxgallorum]

Jun 16, 2011 12:48:18 GMT -5 @ujkdeti said:

Victorian era, eh... that makes more sense because it didn't look very authentic Greek.

Yes, the song is Polish. And if you like, I'll give you another one (polish/ukranian)

well, what makes it to not look very "authentic greek"?As far as i know these are the only costumes that were used during this period.

this song is nice too BTW.

[ujkdeti]

I am no expert but this is how I thought about it. It doesn't look "authentic greek" for at least two reasons.

One, in my opinion, Greeks do not have a well-developed cavalry tradition. I am not saying they did not have any cavalry, but that it was narrow in scope to something like militia cavalry, with perhaps the limited exception of Alexander's Companion cavalry. The ancient Hellenes were great heavy and shock infantry and great sailors, as any island peoples must be, but the fragmented and independent nature of the polis as well as the hilly terrain meant they never really developed true horsemanship, as opposed to what the peoples of the vast steppe did.


If you notice, even in the feudal and middle ages, the Greeks didn't develop the concept of cavalry and knighthood in the way it became so prevalent in the rest of Europe. So, overall, no true historical cavalry tradition also implies no deeply imbedded cavalry institutions and uniforms.



Two, as soon as I saw the pictures in your opening post, I immediately thought of Hussar cavalry rather than anything Greek, and I normally more familiar with Greek culture. By contrast, when I look at the White House (USA), I can immediately recognize the Hellenic / Roman influence in the columns and arches. So, those cavalry uniforms can be said to be "Greek" because they are worn by Greeks but they were not an original idea flowing from their deep well of tradition, it is clear they were copying or imitating someone else, hence my verdict of not "authentic greek".

[brennusduxgallorum]

Jun 16, 2011 13:41:28 GMT -5 @ujkdeti said:

I am no expert but this is how I thought about it. It doesn't look "authentic greek" for at least two reasons.

One, in my opinion, Greeks do not have a well-developed cavalry tradition. I am not saying they did not have any cavalry, but that it was narrow in scope to something like militia cavalry, with perhaps the limited exception of Alexander's Companion cavalry. The ancient Hellenes were great heavy and shock infantry and great sailors, as any island peoples must be, but the fragmented and independent nature of the polis as well as the hilly terrain meant they never really developed true horsemanship, as opposed to what the peoples of the vast steppe did.


If you notice, even in the feudal and middle ages, the Greeks didn't develop the concept of cavalry and knighthood in the way it became so prevalent in the rest of Europe. So, overall, no true historical cavalry tradition also implies no deeply imbedded cavalry institutions and uniforms.



Two, as soon as I saw the pictures in your opening post, I immediately thought of Hussar cavalry rather than anything Greek, and I normally more familiar with Greek culture. By contrast, when I look at the White House (USA), I can immediately recognize the Hellenic / Roman influence in the columns and arches. So, those cavalry uniforms can be said to be "Greek" because they are worn by Greeks but they were not an original idea flowing from their deep well of tradition, it is clear they were copying or imitating someone else, hence my verdict of not "authentic greek".

hmm now i understand.The problem is cavalries.

Jun 16, 2011 13:41:28 GMT -5 @ujkdeti said:

One, in my opinion, Greeks do not have a well-developed cavalry tradition.

Jun 16, 2011 13:41:28 GMT -5 @ujkdeti said:

I immediately thought of Hussar cavalry rather than anything Greek, and I normally more familiar with Greek culture

At first this is army, and army is not part of culture.

Anyway, you are somehow right, horse was not very popular in Greece, however, sure as hell not unkown.


this picture



is a little more representative than cavalries, however it is rediculous to claim that we copied horse riding from someone else.

And talking about Hussars



Greek hussars, light cavalries

[Patrinos]

I dislike such uniforms worn by Greek previous century army. I would want something more original. Bavarian styling is annoying.

Jun 16, 2011 13:41:28 GMT -5 @ujkdeti said:

I am no expert but this is how I thought about it. It doesn't look "authentic greek" for at least two reasons.

One, in my opinion, Greeks do not have a well-developed cavalry tradition. I am not saying they did not have any cavalry, but that it was narrow in scope to something like militia cavalry, with perhaps the limited exception of Alexander's Companion cavalry. The ancient Hellenes were great heavy and shock infantry and great sailors, as any island peoples must be, but the fragmented and independent nature of the polis as well as the hilly terrain meant they never really developed true horsemanship, as opposed to what the peoples of the vast steppe did.


If you notice, even in the feudal and middle ages, the Greeks didn't develop the concept of cavalry and knighthood in the way it became so prevalent in the rest of Europe. So, overall, no true historical cavalry tradition also implies no deeply imbedded cavalry institutions and uniforms.



Two, as soon as I saw the pictures in your opening post, I immediately thought of Hussar cavalry rather than anything Greek, and I normally more familiar with Greek culture. By contrast, when I look at the White House (USA), I can immediately recognize the Hellenic / Roman influence in the columns and arches. So, those cavalry uniforms can be said to be "Greek" because they are worn by Greeks but they were not an original idea flowing from their deep well of tradition, it is clear they were copying or imitating someone else, hence my verdict of not "authentic greek".

In ancient times in Greece cavalry was indeed not the main weapon of the local armies. And it was because of the terrain, mostly mountainous and hilly, hence the advantage that cavalry can give to an army could be lost immediately if the opponent brought the battle to gorges and mountain passes.
The big exception(except the Macedonian army Etairoi) was the Thessalian cavalry, globally respected in the Greek world, both because of the good horses but also the capable riders-soldiers. Surely the plainly terrain of Thessaly(Centaurs were dwelling this place in mythological times...) helped to that direction, since its the only Greek area with such open fields. Thessalian cavalry was a protagonist in Alexander's expedition.

Also during medieval times, the cavalry of Byzantion had almost exclusively two areas for recruiting , Makedonia and (south) Thrake, heavily Greek inhabited both.

But its true that cavalry and horse fighting isn't the characteristic form of war for Greeks and Greece.

[brennusduxgallorum]

Jun 16, 2011 17:06:24 GMT -5 Patrinos said:

I dislike such uniforms worn by Greek previous century army. I would want something more original. Bavarian styling is annoying.

your personal opinion, ok, i on the other hand like such uniforms worn by Greek previous century army.

And they are not at all Bavarian styling, all the countries had similar uniforms during this period.

Bavarian uniforms (in green)


greek uniforms


wtf is similar between them?secondly the fact that you personaly don't like them doesn't make them "non original" greek.

there is nothing "non original" on them.

[Kralj Vatra]

Jun 16, 2011 17:06:24 GMT -5 Patrinos said:

I dislike such uniforms worn by Greek previous century army. I would want something more original. Bavarian styling is annoying.

LMAO!!!

Pls, tell me is there anything *original* in Greece?

Do you need a comparison with any balkan country (alb excluded)?

Can you/we face it?

[Kralj Vatra]

For a starter, has anyone seen *any* Greek medieval knight armor in any museum ever? Do not sell me this crap about Digenis akritas, i want smth original, smth ..... existent...

[Anittas]

Jun 21, 2011 4:56:39 GMT -5 Kralj Vatra said:

For a starter, has anyone seen *any* Greek medieval knight armor in any museum ever? Do not sell me this crap about Digenis akritas, i want smth original, smth ..... existent...

You retard, the Greek Cataphract was the first cavalry unit that was organized to attack infrantry with their lances forming a devestating blow. Imagine the ancient hoplites but with a tremendous speed and power.

You need a good beating, pyrros.

[Kanaris]

He said 'medieval'...

[Anittas]

The Cataphract was a Byzantine heavy cavalty that saw the dawn of the Middle Ages.

[brennus]

Jun 21, 2011 4:55:07 GMT -5 Kralj Vatra said:

Jun 16, 2011 17:06:24 GMT -5 Patrinos said:

I dislike such uniforms worn by Greek previous century army. I would want something more original. Bavarian styling is annoying.

LMAO!!!

Pls, tell me is there anything *original* in Greece?

Do you need a comparison with any balkan country (alb excluded)?

Can you/we face it?

Can you tell me if there is anything "balkanic" or "albanian" about this

weddingpatkat.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/palia-poli.jpg

or this

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Lindos_Rhodes.jpg

or this
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Nafpaktos_old_port.JPG
??

I am really sorry to disapoint you dude, bt if you really think that Greece is Balkanic or albanian related in any sense, you have no idea about Greece, in any sense. Balkans, including albania, are eastern europe, Greece is Southern Europe, mostly related to South italy, and always part of western world. Albanian immigrants here are not less alien than Pakistani immigrants or Norwegian tourists.

Apart from northern Greece, most of Greek regions have never been in contact with balkans, on contrary have always been in contact with Italy and even Spain. How can Greeks, a so "naval" nation be related to the most inland nations of Europe, the balkans?

[marlene]

Interesting to see how people dressed themselves in the military back then. How do they dress today?

[Deleted]

This is the real Greek freedom fighter uniform.  Piss off with that German crap!  Those Greeks were just German loyalists.

[brennusduxgallorumm]

Nov 26, 2016 17:17:32 GMT -5 @thechief said:

This is the real Greek freedom fighter uniform.  Piss off with that German crap!  Those Greeks were just German loyalists.

piss off with german crap, and start posting kavkaz middle eastern crap, with big brachycephalic heads

can you even face the fact that apart from language pontic Greeks are far from mainland Greeks from every aspect?

you like it or not, the "germans" in the first post are part of Greek history and culture

[leandros nikon]

the Greek Cataphract

nice answer,man...