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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 22, 2011 16:48:45 GMT -5
This is the map of Greek colonization of Southern Serbia Southern Italy and Sicilia Anatolia and Crimea Albos too that are Tosks they/ we all have it.
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Post by atdhetar on Nov 22, 2011 16:52:38 GMT -5
given that the inhabitants of present day greek territories are heavily mixed, then it is inaccurate to say that another race or people resemble greeks in appearance when greece is a collection of a multitude of ethnicities and races...the appropriate thing to say is that albanians have been assimilated into the greek nation and that's why get the overlap in features among a portion of the population
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Post by punisher on Nov 22, 2011 16:54:14 GMT -5
This is the map of Greek colonization of Southern Serbia Southern Italy and Sicilia Anatolia and Crimea Albos too that are Tosks they/ we all have it. then how come that southern albania is having more blonde people by day,where the old greeks blonde.the southern albanians are even more blonde then we from dardania,and believe me there are many blonde people in dardania
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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 22, 2011 16:57:45 GMT -5
given that the inhabitants of present day greek territories are heavily mixed, then it is inaccurate to say that another race or people resemble greeks in appearance when greece is a collection of a multitude of ethnicities and races...the appropriate thing to say is that albanians have been assimilated into the greek nation and that's why get the overlap in features among a portion of the population It is not whether we look like Greeks it's having the bloodlines of it Greeks all look different anyway despite, the basic Medrid type features but there will be Atlanto/Alpine Greeks for sure. As well as different colourings to them like anyone elese in the Balkans.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 22, 2011 16:59:35 GMT -5
This is the map of Greek colonization of Southern Serbia Southern Italy and Sicilia Anatolia and Crimea Albos too that are Tosks they/ we all have it. then how come that southern albania is having more blonde people by day,where the old greeks blonde.the southern albanians are even more blonde then we from dardania,and believe me there are many blonde people in dardania It's not the colouring because the Balkan people are diverse in colouring you just have the basic thing to be European the Caucasoid shaped skull there are sub races and different colourings but that's basically it. The old Greeks were mixed in looks ( not racially unlike Kemp thinks l.o.l ) but yes in looks they were and the Dorians were said to have brown hair anyway.
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Post by atdhetar on Nov 22, 2011 17:13:23 GMT -5
given that the inhabitants of present day greek territories are heavily mixed, then it is inaccurate to say that another race or people resemble greeks in appearance when greece is a collection of a multitude of ethnicities and races...the appropriate thing to say is that albanians have been assimilated into the greek nation and that's why get the overlap in features among a portion of the population It is not whether we look like Greeks it's having the bloodlines of it Greeks all look different anyway despite, the basic Medrid type features but there will be Atlanto/Alpine Greeks for sure. As well as different colourings to them like anyone elese in the Balkans. i'm not sure what time frame are we discussing here, you seem to be talking about ancient civilisations and mass displacements of people and i am talking about recent history
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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 22, 2011 18:39:34 GMT -5
It is not whether we look like Greeks it's having the bloodlines of it Greeks all look different anyway despite, the basic Medrid type features but there will be Atlanto/Alpine Greeks for sure. As well as different colourings to them like anyone elese in the Balkans. i'm not sure what time frame are we discussing here, you seem to be talking about ancient civilisations and mass displacements of people and i am talking about recent history It depends how far you want to go back.
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Post by Hellenas on Nov 23, 2011 0:46:31 GMT -5
still it doesn't say tosks are greeks according to this tosks must be southern french eheheheh The Tosks belong to the same anthropological type like Greek Epirotes=Alpines, the difference is that most of Tosk Alpines look like southern French while the Greek Epirotes like Greeks, as they are heavily mixed with Mediterranean Greeks(often). Greek from Sparta. The Alpine strain of southern Albania and of northern Greece extends down through western Greece into the Peloponnesus. In Greece it is frequently blended with a local tall Mediterranean strain.
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Post by Hellenas on Nov 23, 2011 0:52:34 GMT -5
SISTER HAVE YOU NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE GREEKS RESEMBLE US ALBANIANS BCS OF ALBANIAN ANCESTRY,WHAT ABOUT THIS SISTER? Greeks Alpines do not resemble Albanians because Greeks do not have any "albanian ancestry", Greeks have Alpine-Epirotic-Pelasgian/Hellenic ancestry and let me tell you that when the Alpine race was formed in this area of modern Albania and of Epirotic Greece there was not known even the name "Albania" or "Albanians".
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Post by Hellenas on Nov 23, 2011 0:56:04 GMT -5
Well brother because the Albanian tribes moved to Greece They were not "albanians" but albanized Greeks from the albanized territory of Northern Greek Epiros and they were of Pelasgian/Greek origin.
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Post by Hellenas on Nov 23, 2011 1:03:13 GMT -5
given that the inhabitants of present day greek territories are heavily mixed, then it is inaccurate to say that another race or people resemble greeks in appearance when greece is a collection of a multitude of ethnicities and races...the appropriate thing to say is that albanians have been assimilated into the greek nation and that's why get the overlap in features among a portion of the population Post here just one Anthropologist who support your NONSENSE concerning Greece and the Greeks. Greeks are not so much mixed as you wish(only in a small degree, and this by the antiquity to now) and they are not a collection of a multitude of ethnicities and races.
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Post by fishcake on Nov 23, 2011 1:45:56 GMT -5
still it doesn't say tosks are greeks according to this tosks must be southern french eheheheh The Tosks belong to the same anthropological type like Greek Epirotes=Alpines, the difference is that most of Tosk Alpines look like southern French while the Greek Epirotes like Greeks, as they are heavily mixed with Mediterranean Greeks(often). Greek from Sparta. The Alpine strain of southern Albania and of northern Greece extends down through western Greece into the Peloponnesus. In Greece it is frequently blended with a local tall Mediterranean strain. I'm Tosk but I don't look southern French I look African.
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Post by fishcake on Nov 23, 2011 1:47:42 GMT -5
From northeast Africa.
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Post by atdhetar on Nov 23, 2011 4:14:11 GMT -5
Post here just one Anthropologist who support your NONSENSE concerning Greece and the Greeks. Greeks are not so much mixed as you wish(only in a small degree, and this by the antiquity to now) and they are not a collection of a multitude of ethnicities and races. there are literally hundreds of sources that have stated that, rex usually covers that department, maybe he'll be kind to pull out smth from his archives, but i think the argument about the arvanites will more than suffice to make my point.
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Post by atdhetar on Nov 23, 2011 4:17:26 GMT -5
The Tosks belong to the same anthropological type like Greek Epirotes=Alpines, the difference is that most of Tosk Alpines look like southern French while the Greek Epirotes like Greeks, as they are heavily mixed with Mediterranean Greeks(often). Greek from Sparta. The Alpine strain of southern Albania and of northern Greece extends down through western Greece into the Peloponnesus. In Greece it is frequently blended with a local tall Mediterranean strain. the greek epirus is a work of fiction, only greeks believe it is true, the word epirus was synonymous with albanian tribes
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Post by atdhetar on Nov 23, 2011 4:19:27 GMT -5
Well brother because the Albanian tribes moved to Greece They were not "albanians" but albanized Greeks from the albanized territory of Northern Greek Epiros and they were of Pelasgian/Greek origin. greeks which were albanised but which were later on hellenised...but which are regarded as arvanites. at what point does this strike you as a little odd?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 23, 2011 4:25:45 GMT -5
the greek epirus is a work of fiction, only greeks believe it is true, the word epirus was synonymous with albanian tribes BS. Both Epirus's south and north used to be greko-Vlah populated. Even the music attests to that. south albania (north ipiros), south ipiros, west rumeli, east rumeli, thessalia (ex great vlachia), western (greek)macedonia, all those regions have basically the same music, same customs, same architecture, same food, same dances, same toponyms (serbian), same accent (greek) etc... Albs? Alb language seems *SO* alien....
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Post by atdhetar on Nov 23, 2011 4:31:57 GMT -5
It depends how far you want to go back. the problem with going too far back is that the landscape becomes murkier and largely we speculate rather than base our conclusions on hard evidence i.e. like arvanites. if you are talking about ancient greeks tribes than we're still not talking about separate races since to be a greek back then implied a common language, culture and customs, it is likely that several illyrians tribes were hellenised due to the vast and extensive nature of hellenism which was spreading like wildfire...but at the same time i don't expect that all illyrian tribes were of the same race, so where do you draw the line when you try to contextualise in terms of modern day greece and albania? how can you possibly trace racial origins back to a time when everything was so ambiguous? that's why i like to separate ancient and recent
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Post by atdhetar on Nov 23, 2011 4:36:35 GMT -5
BS. Both Epirus's south and north used to be greko-Vlah populated. Even the music attests to that. south albania (north ipiros), south ipiros, west rumeli, east rumeli, thessalia (ex great vlachia), western (greek)macedonia, all those regions have basically the same music, same customs, same architecture, same food, same dances, same toponyms (serbian), same accent (greek) etc... Albs? Alb language seems *SO* alien.... its so delightfull to hear the opinion of a decorated scholar for a change...so where did albs come from then, just sprung out overnight?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 23, 2011 4:57:09 GMT -5
so where did albs come from then, just sprung out overnight? Chechnya (or some place near Chechnya). No alb presence (read=CIVILIZATION) was recorded prior 10th cent AD. The byzantines brought you, some time post 1000 AD. Just like they brought us Vlaho-phones, greko-phones post 800 AD to replace the Slavs who were already here. Ever wandered how *ALL* of your toponyms (and many surnames) are Serbian?
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