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Post by atdhetar on Nov 23, 2011 6:35:39 GMT -5
not sure if you say these things to wind albs up or you truly believe what you say and stand by them....i'll indulge you just in case you really believe these things, first of, no self respecting person that regards himself as a fan of history and is in the persuit of the truth allows himself to be biased, secondly, let's assume albanians did indeed originate somewhere in the caucasses or anywhere else you claim we came from....there have to be some physical, linguistic, traditional affinity between albanians and the present day dwellers of those areas where we came from, however no such connection has been proven nor does it exist, thirdly, there is no documents, witnesses or contemporaries that can attest to such a mass moviment of people streaming into the penninsula, were all these lands occupied by incoming albanians not populated at all? was there no resistance against these foreign people coming into these territories inhabited by greeks? moreover, linguistics have conclusively proven that albanian language contains elements of greek and latin in itself which is further evidence that we are native, if not, predate anyone else in the balcans, including ancient greeks itself.
that's how a level headed amateur approaches historical evidence.
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Post by diurpaneus on Nov 23, 2011 7:37:30 GMT -5
Didn't bother reading the entire thread. I don't want to be cynical. I don't have anything against the greeks. But with Greece's incoming bankruptcy, I bet more and more Vlachs will admit to their Romanian ethnicity and will ask for Romanian citizenship.
We await our brothers. They are more than welcomed here in Transylvania. We need as many Romanians here as possible.
If you can get your hands on this documentary, don't miss it. It's good. I was born in those mountains and spent my childhood there. Seeing those breathtaking landscapes makes me have tears in my eyes. The documentary is called "Wild Carpathia". I used to roam those mountains, and never get lost. I knew all the paths, the climate of different mountain zones, the places with springs with potable water, caves etc. etc. Aromanians are more than welcome here.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 23, 2011 7:42:05 GMT -5
It depends how far you want to go back. the problem with going too far back is that the landscape becomes murkier and largely we speculate rather than base our conclusions on hard evidence i.e. like arvanites. if you are talking about ancient greeks tribes than we're still not talking about separate races since to be a greek back then implied a common language, culture and customs, it is likely that several illyrians tribes were hellenised due to the vast and extensive nature of hellenism which was spreading like wildfire...but at the same time i don't expect that all illyrian tribes were of the same race, so where do you draw the line when you try to contextualise in terms of modern day greece and albania? how can you possibly trace racial origins back to a time when everything was so ambiguous? that's why i like to separate ancient and recent Ofcourse it get's harder you need to find out at what point in time the Illyrian tribes moved to Greece. They weren't the same originally they moved there and intergrated, obviously. Fuck knows what they were before then.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 23, 2011 7:50:28 GMT -5
linguistics have conclusively proven that albanian language contains elements of greek and latin in itself which is further evidence that we are native, if not, predate anyone else in the balcans, including ancient greeks itself. You stupid fu ck Russian/Serbian tang are more close to Greek, than Albanian to Greek. Structure, declensions, *LOADS* of ancient greek/ancient slav (pre-christian) words, etc... What does that mean that Russians are native in the balkans?? Also English/German are also very close to Greek, what does that mean? That English are balkan natives? Also English-German/Slav are a hell closer, does it mean that Serbs are native in UK??? You are a stupid f**k, go read some book(s) and come back in 10 years.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 23, 2011 8:27:34 GMT -5
Didn't bother reading the entire thread. I don't want to be cynical. I don't have anything against the greeks. But with Greece's incoming bankruptcy, I bet more and more Vlachs will admit to their Romanian ethnicity and will ask for Romanian citizenship. We await our brothers. They are more than welcomed here in Transylvania. We need as many Romanians here as possible. If you can get your hands on this documentary, don't miss it. It's good. I was born in those mountains and spent my childhood there. Seeing those breathtaking landscapes makes me have tears in my eyes. The documentary is called "Wild Carpathia". I used to roam those mountains, and never get lost. I knew all the paths, the climate of different mountain zones, the places with springs with potable water, caves etc. etc. Aromanians are more than welcome here. The only connections between Greek vlahs and Romanian vlahs are: 1) they both used to be citizens of an alien Latin empire 2) their lands were later (OR EARLIER???) completely slavicized Can't find much common ground to this bro. Also, i don't see the romanians working here in Greece thinking of getting back to Romania any time soon, how do you expect Autochthonous Greeks to migrate to an unknown cold land near Ukraine where winter average temp is -20? That sounds strange...
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Post by punisher on Nov 23, 2011 8:51:43 GMT -5
so where did albs come from then, just sprung out overnight? Chechnya (or some place near Chechnya). No alb presence (read=CIVILIZATION) was recorded prior 10th cent AD. The byzantines brought you, some time post 1000 AD. Just like they brought us Vlaho-phones, greko-phones post 800 AD to replace the Slavs who were already here. Ever wandered how *ALL* of your toponyms (and many surnames) are Serbian? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAH
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 23, 2011 8:55:45 GMT -5
Is there anything pre-1000 AD that i miss? DAI does not mention alb/arb/shqip/shkip/skip(LOL)etc... in the slightest ...
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Post by punisher on Nov 23, 2011 8:56:39 GMT -5
Is there anything pre-1000 AD that i miss? LMAO you miss a pair of brains
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 23, 2011 8:58:35 GMT -5
Is there anything pre-1000 AD that i miss? LMAO you miss a pair of brains LOL, your insecurity is shouting out from miles...
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Post by punisher on Nov 23, 2011 9:04:05 GMT -5
you miss a pair of brains LOL, your insecurity is shouting out from miles... insecurity about what?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 23, 2011 9:36:03 GMT -5
LOL, your insecurity is shouting out from miles... insecurity about what? hmmm about being the last late comers to the balkans... (together with the turks)
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Post by punisher on Nov 23, 2011 9:54:16 GMT -5
hmmm about being the last late comers to the balkans... (together with the turks) according to you and other albanian haters not according to historians
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Post by atdhetar on Nov 23, 2011 11:00:06 GMT -5
You stupid fu ck Russian/Serbian tang are more close to Greek, than Albanian to Greek. Structure, declensions, *LOADS* of ancient greek/ancient slav (pre-christian) words, etc... What does that mean that Russians are native in the balkans?? Also English/German are also very close to Greek, what does that mean? That English are balkan natives? Also English-German/Slav are a hell closer, does it mean that Serbs are native in UK??? You are a stupid f**k, go read some book(s) and come back in 10 years. you might wanna take the base out of your tone there you rat bastard, you colossal cretin, you're a waste of dna, where did i say albanian is closer to greek than serbian or russian? what the shit are you talking about you fucking half wit, you fucking scoundrel!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 23, 2011 11:11:17 GMT -5
bla bla bla bla.... still no source prior to 1000AD.... i laugh how you guys jump up and down and getting angry, throwing insults, but unable to prove your existence in the balkans prior to 1000 AD.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 23, 2011 11:12:08 GMT -5
rat calm down your empty head will explode.
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Post by atdhetar on Nov 23, 2011 11:25:43 GMT -5
you're a worthless degenerate who adds no value to humanity
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 23, 2011 13:08:13 GMT -5
Didn't bother reading the entire thread. I don't want to be cynical. I don't have anything against the greeks. But with Greece's incoming bankruptcy, I bet more and more Vlachs will admit to their Romanian ethnicity and will ask for Romanian citizenship. We await our brothers. They are more than welcomed here in Transylvania. We need as many Romanians here as possible. So you're saying now that Greece is broke they will admit that they are Vlachs... ? When Greece goes back to being economically sound ..what will they do then switch again? I don't think they hid all these years because of Greece financial status... they hid cause they came from a crap seed.. and were embarrassed about it.
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Post by atdhetar on Nov 23, 2011 15:44:06 GMT -5
more importantly, why is it important for greek to artifically inflate greek numbers? why are they actively trying to recrute so called wayward greeks? if you have even the flimsiest backstory about greek ancestry you can instantly claim an allowance, you have to question the intent of your foreign policy and how greek offcials just throw money out to people who say they're greek, do they hope one day they can destabilise sorrounding countries by calling on this opportunistic group of pseudo greeks? i personally know albanians from the south that have no greek predecessors but claim a monthly allowance by simply forging birth certificates, in many ways greeks encourage this behaviour, all they care about is recruiting more people to boost the numbers and use it as a propaganda leverage
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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 23, 2011 15:48:40 GMT -5
Didn't bother reading the entire thread. I don't want to be cynical. I don't have anything against the greeks. But with Greece's incoming bankruptcy, I bet more and more Vlachs will admit to their Romanian ethnicity and will ask for Romanian citizenship. We await our brothers. They are more than welcomed here in Transylvania. We need as many Romanians here as possible. So you're saying now that Greece is broke they will admit that they are Vlachs... ? Lol!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 24, 2011 2:19:27 GMT -5
more importantly, why is it important for greek to artifically inflate greek numbers? why do you let west inflate your numbers? 2,000,000 albs in kosovo? 1000s chams in Epiros? Albanianism is a giant hoax.
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