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Post by engers on Dec 10, 2007 5:48:17 GMT -5
EU has "virtual unity" on Kosovo: Sweden's Bildt ____________________________________________________ Published: Monday, December 10, 2007 BRUSSELS (Reuters) - All but one of the European Union's 27 member states are ready to accept independence for the breakaway Serbian province of Kosovo without a U.N. resolution, Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt said on Monday. "There is virtual unity on Kosovo," Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt told reporters ahead of talks in Brussels after a December 10 date deadline set by Western powers for international mediation efforts expired. He did not name the member state which still wanted a U.N. Security Council resolution before accepting a declaration by ethnic Kosovo Albanian leaders expected within weeks. Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn said Cyprus was alone in having "an enormous problem" in backing Kosovo independence. ____________________________________________________ [ftp]http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=2ee20442-c919-4247-ab8a-30755f2114ec&k=48223[/ftp]
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Post by Pejoni on Dec 10, 2007 6:48:19 GMT -5
Thats what I wanna hear, and what goes for Cyprus lol.. I give them max 2 weeks befor they change their minds.
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Post by engers on Dec 10, 2007 7:21:39 GMT -5
Thats what I wanna hear, and what goes for Cyprus lol.. I give them max 2 weeks befor they change their minds. Thats what fender didn't want to hear ;D
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Post by arumani on Dec 10, 2007 7:29:38 GMT -5
that's what i wanna hear too, since Kosovo belongs to our Albanian brothers. so good news and good luck.
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Post by Fender on Dec 10, 2007 8:10:44 GMT -5
"virtual unity" is like "virtual reality", it may look real, but it isn't.
The UN holds all the cards, not the EU.
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Post by engers on Dec 10, 2007 8:24:05 GMT -5
"virtual unity" is like "virtual reality", it may look real, but it isn't. The UN holds all the cards, not the EU. fender the BLUFF KING, don't STULTIFY yourself.
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Post by Fender on Dec 10, 2007 8:29:23 GMT -5
"virtual unity" is like "virtual reality", it may look real, but it isn't. The UN holds all the cards, not the EU. fender the BLUFF KING, don't STULTIFY yourself. The only bluff going around is the EU. Somehow you think they carry some sort of power. You should read closely what Solana is saying. He wont send any EU help without the express orders from the UN. Theres your real reality.
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Post by engers on Dec 10, 2007 8:35:08 GMT -5
The only bluff going around is the EU. Somehow you think they carry some sort of power. You should read closely what Solana is saying. He wont send any EU help without the express orders from the UN. Theres your real reality.
Now the EU is a bluff!!! I'm surprised from your CRASSITUDE ;D
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Post by Pejoni on Dec 10, 2007 8:42:59 GMT -5
"virtual unity" is like "virtual reality", it may look real, but it isn't. The UN holds all the cards, not the EU. Stop saying the UN, its Russia who is playing tough to be taken serious thats all. But guess what, even "mother Russia" wont stop Kosovas Independence now, its a DONE DEAL and we both now it, and I guess it may hurt. I really hope Serbia isolates itself and becomes another pro-soviet state and see how far it will take you guys, while everyone els is aiming at western structure Serbia is going back and that doesnt fit EU. ps. google or yahoo "Kosovo" on the news section and tell me if you ever seen as many headlines with "Kosovo Independence" cheers!
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Post by Pejoni on Dec 10, 2007 8:44:53 GMT -5
that's what i wanna hear too, since Kosovo belongs to our Albanian brothers. so good news and good luck. Thanks mate, your country was against first but seems they saw the reality why Kosova cant be under Serbia's umbrella just as the rest of EU states
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Post by engers on Dec 10, 2007 8:47:00 GMT -5
"virtual unity" is like "virtual reality", it may look real, but it isn't. The UN holds all the cards, not the EU. Stop saying the UN, its Russia who is playing tough to be taken serious thats all. But guess what, even "mother Russia" wont stop Kosovas Independence now, its a DONE DEAL and we both now it, and I guess it may hurt. I really hope Serbia isolates itself and becomes another pro-soviet state and see how far it will take you guys, while everyone els is aiming at western structure Serbia is going back and that doesnt fit EU. ps. google or yahoo "Kosovo" on the news section and tell me if you ever seen as many headlines with "Kosovo Independence" cheers! Pejoni, they (Serbia) have only Russia, and 1/2 of Cyprus, it's UN. ;D
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Post by Pejoni on Dec 10, 2007 8:49:21 GMT -5
fender the BLUFF KING, don't STULTIFY yourself. The only bluff going around is the EU. Somehow you think they carry some sort of power. You should read closely what Solana is saying. He wont send any EU help without the express orders from the UN. Theres your real reality. Poor us, does that include KFOR troops? Every member of EU can choose itself by sending their own personals. I can tell you right now all Scandinavian countries and mostly western EU states will send their personals since they have already troops deployed
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Post by Fender on Dec 10, 2007 8:50:09 GMT -5
"virtual unity" is like "virtual reality", it may look real, but it isn't. The UN holds all the cards, not the EU. Stop saying the UN, its Russia who is playing tough to be taken serious thats all. But guess what, even "mother Russia" wont stop Kosovas Independence now, its a DONE DEAL and we both now it, and I guess it may hurt. I really hope Serbia isolates itself and becomes another pro-soviet state and see how far it will take you guys, while everyone els is aiming at western structure Serbia is going back and that doesnt fit EU. ps. google or yahoo "Kosovo" on the news section and tell me if you ever seen as many headlines with "Kosovo Independence" cheers! This type of hysteria was identical 12 months ago. It died down when the truth was rammed home. This is no different. First of all, the EU do not have the power to grant territory from another country to a bunch of people that just wish it. The EU even today are saying that they will not walk into Kosovo without being invited by the UN. For that to occur, a resolution must be voted on. Russia and China are one of the five in the Security Council that hold a veto. If there is no resolution, there is no EU, simple, even Solana is saying the same thing. No UN recognition, no state. Thats where this is heading. It has nothing to do with up coming Serbian elections. International law must stand for something. You cannot break it or bypass it, just because you want something.
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Post by Pejoni on Dec 10, 2007 8:53:46 GMT -5
Stop saying the UN, its Russia who is playing tough to be taken serious thats all. But guess what, even "mother Russia" wont stop Kosovas Independence now, its a DONE DEAL and we both now it, and I guess it may hurt. I really hope Serbia isolates itself and becomes another pro-soviet state and see how far it will take you guys, while everyone els is aiming at western structure Serbia is going back and that doesnt fit EU. ps. google or yahoo "Kosovo" on the news section and tell me if you ever seen as many headlines with "Kosovo Independence" cheers! Pejoni, they (Serbia) have only Russia, and 1/2 of Cyprus, it's UN. ;D Cyprus will get shut down in 2 maximum weeks when EU and Greece starts having a word with them, they are not doin this to show love Serbia rather internal fear of the northern part, but since EU will promise them backup they will bow down and EU unity is case solved
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Post by engers on Dec 10, 2007 8:53:58 GMT -5
Stop saying the UN, its Russia who is playing tough to be taken serious thats all. But guess what, even "mother Russia" wont stop Kosovas Independence now, its a DONE DEAL and we both now it, and I guess it may hurt. I really hope Serbia isolates itself and becomes another pro-soviet state and see how far it will take you guys, while everyone els is aiming at western structure Serbia is going back and that doesnt fit EU. ps. google or yahoo "Kosovo" on the news section and tell me if you ever seen as many headlines with "Kosovo Independence" cheers! This type of hysteria was identical 12 months ago. It died down when the truth was rammed home. This is no different. First of all, the EU do not have the power to grant territory from another country to a bunch of people that just wish it. The EU even today are saying that they will not walk into Kosovo without being invited by the UN. For that to occur, a resolution must be voted on. Russia and China are one of the five in the Security Council that hold a veto. If there is no resolution, there is no EU, simple, even Solana is saying the same thing. No UN recognition, no state. Thats where this is heading. It has nothing to do with up coming Serbian elections. International law must stand for something. You cannot break it or bypass it, just because you want something. Did the international law stand when chetnicks killed thousand of Albanians.
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Post by Fender on Dec 10, 2007 8:55:52 GMT -5
This type of hysteria was identical 12 months ago. It died down when the truth was rammed home. This is no different. First of all, the EU do not have the power to grant territory from another country to a bunch of people that just wish it. The EU even today are saying that they will not walk into Kosovo without being invited by the UN. For that to occur, a resolution must be voted on. Russia and China are one of the five in the Security Council that hold a veto. If there is no resolution, there is no EU, simple, even Solana is saying the same thing. No UN recognition, no state. Thats where this is heading. It has nothing to do with up coming Serbian elections. International law must stand for something. You cannot break it or bypass it, just because you want something. Did the international law stand when chetnicks killed thousand of Albanians. Once you have read up on international law, come back and talk to me. Until then, your speaking from a basis of ignorance.
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Post by Fender on Dec 10, 2007 8:57:40 GMT -5
Pejoni, they (Serbia) have only Russia, and 1/2 of Cyprus, it's UN. ;D Cyprus will get shut down in 2 maximum weeks when EU and Greece starts having a word with them, they are not doin this to show love Serbia rather internal fear of the northern part, but since EU will promise them backup they will bow down and EU unity is case solved Cyprus has nothing really to do with this. Once again, its the UN that weilds the power, not the EU. Once you come to this realisation, you will see that no one has moved from square one.
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Post by Pejoni on Dec 10, 2007 8:58:27 GMT -5
Stop saying the UN, its Russia who is playing tough to be taken serious thats all. But guess what, even "mother Russia" wont stop Kosovas Independence now, its a DONE DEAL and we both now it, and I guess it may hurt. I really hope Serbia isolates itself and becomes another pro-soviet state and see how far it will take you guys, while everyone els is aiming at western structure Serbia is going back and that doesnt fit EU. ps. google or yahoo "Kosovo" on the news section and tell me if you ever seen as many headlines with "Kosovo Independence" cheers! This type of hysteria was identical 12 months ago. It died down when the truth was rammed home. This is no different. First of all, the EU do not have the power to grant territory from another country to a bunch of people that just wish it. The EU even today are saying that they will not walk into Kosovo without being invited by the UN. For that to occur, a resolution must be voted on. Russia and China are one of the five in the Security Council that hold a veto. If there is no resolution, there is no EU, simple, even Solana is saying the same thing. No UN recognition, no state. Thats where this is heading. It has nothing to do with up coming Serbian elections. International law must stand for something. You cannot break it or bypass it, just because you want something. Fender we already know we wont have a seat on UN (yet) but it will take less then a year for Russia to let it in since they dont gain anything by rejecting it, its just to show support to Serbia until it has been "calmed down". What goes for EU isnt Russia concern if we have a seat in OSCE wich we will have the very next week after our declaration. cheers!
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Post by Fender on Dec 10, 2007 9:04:24 GMT -5
This type of hysteria was identical 12 months ago. It died down when the truth was rammed home. This is no different. First of all, the EU do not have the power to grant territory from another country to a bunch of people that just wish it. The EU even today are saying that they will not walk into Kosovo without being invited by the UN. For that to occur, a resolution must be voted on. Russia and China are one of the five in the Security Council that hold a veto. If there is no resolution, there is no EU, simple, even Solana is saying the same thing. No UN recognition, no state. Thats where this is heading. It has nothing to do with up coming Serbian elections. International law must stand for something. You cannot break it or bypass it, just because you want something. Fender we already know we wont have a seat on UN (yet) but it will take less then a year for Russia to let it in since they dont gain anything by rejecting it, its just to show support to Serbia until it has been "calmed down". What goes for EU isnt Russia concern if we have a seat in OSCE wich we will have the very next week after our declaration. cheers! What are you basing that on, your own judgement or fact? Who will anull resolution 1244? That needs to happen as well. Who will allow a resolution to allow the EU in. Without Russia and China, it won't happen. You still don't get it. Cyprus and the rest of Europe are irrelevent in this argument because they cannot influence what happens in the UNSC, and thats a fact. Winters coming along right now, do you think the Europeans can afford another price hike in energy bills? I think not. So who is holding the cards, not the U.S. because they cannot influence where it counts.
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Post by Pejoni on Dec 10, 2007 9:23:04 GMT -5
Fender we already know we wont have a seat on UN (yet) but it will take less then a year for Russia to let it in since they dont gain anything by rejecting it, its just to show support to Serbia until it has been "calmed down". What goes for EU isnt Russia concern if we have a seat in OSCE wich we will have the very next week after our declaration. cheers! What are you basing that on, your own judgement or fact? Who will anull resolution 1244? That needs to happen as well. Who will allow a resolution to allow the EU in. Without Russia and China, it won't happen. You still don't get it. Cyprus and the rest of Europe are irrelevent in this argument because they cannot influence what happens in the UNSC, and thats a fact. Winters coming along right now, do you think the Europeans can afford another price hike in energy bills? I think not. So who is holding the cards, not the U.S. because they cannot influence where it counts. I think its you who dont get it wich is quite simply to understand, what do you think "unilateral Independence" means? That resolution doesnt mean a thing then.
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