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Post by uz on Oct 30, 2011 13:20:13 GMT -5
I have brought up supported claims on the Albanian attrocities against Serbs/Non-Albs. My evidence on that, has been recorded by the UN, (hence they were against the intervention/making illegal for NATO and USA to attack Serbia).
Other high-ranking officers (non-Serbs) have claimed to have witnessed these attrocities as well. Stop blinding yourself from the truth. As time goes by, more and more exposure is surfacing. Soon you will have no choice.
Ps; I like how you played off the child soldiers being part of the KLA movement, as "normal" and "acceptable". This is isn't Africa.... or so I thought. Kosovo has become the Siera Leone of Europe.
These children were probably bred from birth to fight Serbs (explains the major birth-boom), fed all the hate needed to be able to kill and later American-islamo funding for weapons.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 30, 2011 13:26:31 GMT -5
You guys ^ are splitting hairs. Of course the reg folks generally are "ok" with one another, this does not mean that the general view on non-albs were negative. The Kosovo project was to eliminate any Serb and/or non-Albanian pressence. Albanians who have stood up against this treatement have also been murdered or chased out. You guys are not about "Kosovo", or you would be up for multiculturalism. The Albanians in Kosovo think they're in Albania and this is what we're talking about. There is no such thing as a Kosovar, this term was made up to suit the circumstance (war-intervention). Are you speaking of systematic cleansing? You're speaking of the wrong side, Vasa Cubrilovic's master plan never came to fruition.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Oct 30, 2011 13:33:42 GMT -5
One would've thought that the Kosovar Albanians, after having been eliberated from the Serbian grip that supposedly had them suppressed, would grow to be progressive and responsible individuals seeking to make the world a better place. Instead, they replaced their old enemy and have now turned their sword on the Serbian minority in the north. How weak. And apart from that, you spread your hatred against anyone who may disagree with you on any thing that doesn't fit your agenda. Weren't you supposed to become Renaissance men? What are you now? Merchants of human organs on the black market. Oh yeah, Donnie, you must be finished with your elitist education. I remember you saying that you wanted to use your intellect to help your people. Please enlighten me of your masterplan. I'm dying to hear it. In clear terms the Albanian government in Pristina very similar to the former Belgrade government concerning national minorities. Kosovo was always run by thugs whether they be Serb or Albanian politicians but both sides are so blind with nationalism as to see their common enemy ( political crooks on both sides).
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Oct 30, 2011 13:38:32 GMT -5
^Revenge is a part of human nature. Have you ever lost a son, daughter, father or mother because one group of people thought they were superior to you? As far as the north goes, it is really outside of the Albanians' hands anyways. What do you mean by human nature? Are you saying that EVERYONE must seek bloody revenge for acts of violence perpetrated against them? I agree that there is a reaction but how we seek restitution is conditioned by the societies we live in and to the degree that popular thinking influences us. There are two ways to go about it as I see it. Situation : Somebody from the 'other tribe' murders your father. Solutions : A. Go murder that person's son or that person and continue the cycle of violence. B. Address the actual reason all this violence is happening in the first place. Seek restitution in the form of attacking the root of the problem and ending the cycle of violence. Which do you believe is the civilized course?
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Oct 30, 2011 13:39:19 GMT -5
One would've thought that the Kosovar Albanians, after having been eliberated from the Serbian grip that supposedly had them suppressed, would grow to be progressive and responsible individuals seeking to make the world a better place. Instead, they replaced their old enemy and have now turned their sword on the Serbian minority in the north. How weak. And apart from that, you spread your hatred against anyone who may disagree with you on any thing that doesn't fit your agenda. Weren't you supposed to become Renaissance men? What are you now? Merchants of human organs on the black market. Oh yeah, Donnie, you must be finished with your elitist education. I remember you saying that you wanted to use your intellect to help your people. Please enlighten me of your masterplan. I'm dying to hear it. +1 albanians hands down are the biggest prejudiced, conniving and bigoted nation in the balkans. and a lot of these characteristics are personified in donnie, with his elitist pseudo-scholarly attitude and staunch vindictiveness to all non-albanians. This is a standard case of projection.
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Post by srbobran on Oct 30, 2011 14:14:44 GMT -5
I think the fact Serbia is the most multicultural state on the Balkans is a bit of a contradiction to our supposed habit of suppressing minorities constantly.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Oct 30, 2011 14:27:30 GMT -5
I think the fact Serbia is the most multicultural state on the Balkans is a bit of a contradiction to our supposed habit of suppressing minorities constantly. Which is why its even more important for Serbia to curb the fanatics that care little for the minorities. Vojvodina is the most multicultural region of Serbia yet it has been victim to nationalist politics both by Belgrade/Novi Sad and Vojvodina's minorities. And I don't group the whole nation into 'constantly supressing minorities' ( which were not my words anyway). Rather its completely predictable that nationalist parties like the Radicals would gain popularity and openly flaunt their xenophobia against the minorities. Especially when the future of the entire country is uncertain and often hanging on a thread. Blaming internal minorities is just a distraction to redirect blame from the real source of the problem ( the government itself). Croatia's HDZ did it in the Tudjman years and U.S. politicians always get on this ridiculous kick blaming 'those damn illegals' crossing the border and we blame 'China' and Mexican cheap labor for our economic woes. It is a complete distraction that people get caught up on hook , line , and sinker.
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Oct 30, 2011 15:18:30 GMT -5
One would've thought that the Kosovar Albanians, after having been eliberated from the Serbian grip that supposedly had them suppressed, would grow to be progressive and responsible individuals seeking to make the world a better place. Instead, they replaced their old enemy and have now turned their sword on the Serbian minority in the north. How weak. And apart from that, you spread your hatred against anyone who may disagree with you on any thing that doesn't fit your agenda. Weren't you supposed to become Renaissance men? What are you now? Merchants of human organs on the black market. Oh yeah, Donnie, you must be finished with your elitist education. I remember you saying that you wanted to use your intellect to help your people. Please enlighten me of your masterplan. I'm dying to hear it. In clear terms the Albanian government in Pristina very similar to the former Belgrade government concerning national minorities. Kosovo was always run by thugs whether they be Serb or Albanian politicians but both sides are so blind with nationalism as to see their common enemy ( political crooks on both sides). Kosor was in Pristina few weeks ahead and she declared to be very satisfied of the Croatian minority's treatment. You're starting to sound like Pyrros.
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Post by najpos on Oct 30, 2011 19:08:41 GMT -5
I have brought up supported claims on the Albanian attrocities against Serbs/Non-Albs. My evidence on that, has been recorded by the UN, (hence they were against the intervention/making illegal for NATO and USA to attack Serbia). You haven't actually, your sources have been quite ridiculous to say the least. Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say using child soldiers is normal and acceptable. I said there's a difference between using child soldiers and letting Islamists join the KLA. By letting Islamists in they would have aligned themselves to terrorist organizations which is not morally worse but deffinitely politically worse. And there we have the Serbian racist views on Albanians illustrated. The belief that Albanians inherently exist to destroy Serbia and Serbdom, even that they breed only to make Serb hating children that will fight to destroy Serbdom.
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Post by uz on Oct 30, 2011 19:39:53 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I forgot you don't like the UN, they were against the intervention and they respect the resolution that goes against your dreams...(1244). The attacks bear similarity to the campaign of arson, abduction, intimidation and killing directed at Serbs and Roma in the summer of 1999. This campaign of violence forced 200,000 Serbs and thousands of Roma from the province. Human Rights Watch documented the violence in an August 1999 report, “Abuses against Serbs and Roma in the New Kosovo.” www.hrw.org/en/news/2004/03/18/kosovoserbia-protect-minorities-ethnic-violenceHorrors of KLA prison camps revealed The man spoke plainly as he explained the horrors he lived through in a Kosovo Liberation Army prison camp 10 years ago. He told me about how he watched people beaten with steel pipes, cut with knives, left for days without food, and shot and killed." Now, looking back, I know that some of the things that were done to innocent civilians were wrong " Former KLA Fighter news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7990984.stmOf course they'res a difference, I was the one to first say that Odel. You said Islamic funding would be bad for PR, I said the PR had nothing to do with anything, and used the use of child soldiers as an example. And yes, I also provided many sources claiming Islamo funding/volunteers in the KLA. Playing the victim again I see. It's pretty clear that if soldiers under the age of 18 (being roughly about 10% of the entire resistance- the KLA) and many around the age of 12 were being brain-washed (to at least a certain degree) to go fight against the "Big-bad" Serbs with heavy weapons.
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Post by Anittas on Oct 30, 2011 20:08:40 GMT -5
Are these the heroes of Donnie and Meltdown aka Tosk ... something?
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 30, 2011 20:19:58 GMT -5
^Speaking of children. How is the orphan situation in Romania? I remember it being terrible in the 90s.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 30, 2011 20:46:03 GMT -5
^Revenge is a part of human nature. Have you ever lost a son, daughter, father or mother because one group of people thought they were superior to you? As far as the north goes, it is really outside of the Albanians' hands anyways. What do you mean by human nature? Are you saying that EVERYONE must seek bloody revenge for acts of violence perpetrated against them? I agree that there is a reaction but how we seek restitution is conditioned by the societies we live in and to the degree that popular thinking influences us. There are two ways to go about it as I see it. Situ ation : Somebody from the 'other tribe' murders your father. Solutions : A. Go murder that person's son or that person and continue the cycle of violence. B. Address the actual reason all this violence is happening in the first place. Seek restitution in the form of attacking the root of the problem and ending the cycle of violence. Which do you believe is the civilized course? If someone murdered my father I would want to kill the person who did it. Not any member of his family though. I think I get caught up in the heat of .some of these debates. It's a lot of the serbs on here that piss me off with their bulls**t. It has been Serbian policy to either assimilate Albanians (major fail) or cleanse the region of them. I mentioned Cubrilovic's doctrine before and it even continued under Tito, with agreements with Turkey to take in Albanians to lower our number. Yet its the Serbs crying foul that we are the colonizers. After millions of Albanians dealing with serbian oppressive rule (Albanians in Macedonia included) I honestly have no sympathy for the minute amount of serbs in the north crying for Belgrade's assistance.
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Post by Anittas on Oct 30, 2011 22:24:58 GMT -5
^Speaking of children. How is the orphan situation in Romania? I remember it being terrible in the 90s. It's much better now, thanks for asking.
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Post by Anittas on Oct 30, 2011 22:27:19 GMT -5
What do you mean by human nature? Are you saying that EVERYONE must seek bloody revenge for acts of violence perpetrated against them? I agree that there is a reaction but how we seek restitution is conditioned by the societies we live in and to the degree that popular thinking influences us. There are two ways to go about it as I see it. Situ ation : Somebody from the 'other tribe' murders your father. Solutions : A. Go murder that person's son or that person and continue the cycle of violence. B. Address the actual reason all this violence is happening in the first place. Seek restitution in the form of attacking the root of the problem and ending the cycle of violence. Which do you believe is the civilized course? If someone murdered my father I would want to kill the person who did it. Not any member of his family though. I think I get caught up in the heat of .some of these debates. It's a lot of the serbs on here that piss me off with their bulls**t. It has been Serbian policy to either assimilate Albanians (major fail) or cleanse the region of them. I mentioned Cubrilovic's doctrine before and it even continued under Tito, giving visas to Albanians like it was trick or treat. Yet its the Serbs crying foul that we are the colonizers. After millions of Albanians dealing with serbian oppressive rule (Albanians in Macedonia included) I honestly have no sympathy for the minute amount of serbs in the north crying for Belgrade's assistance. The Albanians who committed the attrocities mentioned in this thread have no sympathy, either.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 30, 2011 22:42:34 GMT -5
In clear terms the Albanian government in Pristina very similar to the former Belgrade government concerning national minorities. Kosovo was always run by thugs whether they be Serb or Albanian politicians but both sides are so blind with nationalism as to see their common enemy ( political crooks on both sides). Kosor was in Pristina few weeks ahead and she declared to be very satisfied of the Croatian minority's treatment. You're starting to sound like Pyrros. You must remember Tudjman was an "angel".
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 30, 2011 22:57:11 GMT -5
^Speaking of children. How is the orphan situation in Romania? I remember it being terrible in the 90s. It's much better now, thanks for asking. A decreasing rate of deadbeats is a good thing. Glad to hear it.
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Post by fishcake on Oct 31, 2011 1:47:43 GMT -5
It's better to have Kosovar Albs on your side I guess..I hope. I don't think they're more racist or ignorant than the rest of Albanians.
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Post by Anittas on Oct 31, 2011 2:21:53 GMT -5
It's much better now, thanks for asking. A decreasing rate of deadbeats is a good thing. Glad to hear it. I'm not sure what you mean by that. The children were not at fault. You digress from the subject by attempting to insult the structure of our society and you refer to me as being childish? Sure, I can be childish, but you acted here in both a childish and a cruel way.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 31, 2011 2:42:47 GMT -5
You are instigating. I just happen to be better at it. And it wasn't a shot at the children, I would never stoop that low. It was a shot at the deadbeats. Before you speak about Albanian society, take a look at your own backyard.
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