Antika Srbija / Ancient Serbs

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[Pyrros]

Sept 1, 2018 9:14:45 GMT -5 rex362 said:

Wizard pyrros fantasy thread

when you say ancient serbia look far away from the Balkans

and again for all your slavic toponyms names you can thank Bulgaria and the church slavonic

ULF bro you see what I mean? say anything pre 2000 BC, and the saxan ravens of death will start sharping their claws ...

[Pyrros]

Sept 1, 2018 9:28:15 GMT -5 @ulf said:

My Classification is the following :

- sciences that study human-made systems : Maths (formal as in your chart)

- sciences that study God-made systems : (the rest)

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Pyrros

Well its hard to accept argumentative facts that are completely opposite from the things that you know for your whole life. That's why I don't expect for most Albanians (or most people of any other nation actually) to accept the presented facts. For some it will take certain time period to pass, others will never accept it.

[rex362]

slavs arrive 500-600ad ,weaken the Byzantines  but later dont get tamed by the Byzantines with

religion til 800-900 and did not bring or have any major writings ....AND only 1st original writings are of religion

for many many centuries thereafter ....and they can thank Old Church Slavonic --->Bulgarian version

again look for ancient serbia elsewhere

 

[branislavnusic]

Sept 1, 2018 9:58:02 GMT -5 rex362 said:

slavs arrive 500-600 ad dont get tamed by the Byzantines with religion til 800-900

and did not bring or have any major writings ....AND only 1st original writings are of religion for many many centuries .

That was because religion was everything in the middle ages.

[rex362]

now take this from rex the villager with common sense :

If you mention the term ..."Ancient serbia" in/of the Balkans to a historian they would laugh their ass off

now of course serbs/slavs are ancient.....anybody alive today can be said they are ancient

but not from the Balkans

[Pyrros]

Sept 1, 2018 9:14:45 GMT -5 rex362 said:

Wizard pyrros fantasy thread

when you say ancient serbia look far away from the Balkans

and again for all your slavic toponyms names you can thank Bulgaria and the church slavonic

you are a retard. I NEVER MENTIONED THE WORD : SERB in my reasoning above.

but since you mentioned it my lil dear clownest of the clowns of the forum, I guess  :

Σερβέϊκα

in laconia was a name given by Bulgarians or the slavonic church ..

you are a complete idiot. Stop wasting resources here.

It was not long ago that I and Novi destroyed much stronger players than you. If I was Rexh (thank God I am not) I'd act like an albanian : run and hide. hahahahaha

[branislavnusic]

Sept 1, 2018 10:06:41 GMT -5 rex362 said:

now take this from rex the villager with common sense :

If you mention the term ..."Ancient serbia" in/of the Balkans to a historian they would laugh their ass off

now of course serbs/slavs are ancient.....anybody alive today can be said they are ancient

but not from the Balkans

Czech historian Josef Dobrovský: "If I had to give a common name for all the Slavs, it would be the name Serb". 


Polish Historian Lorenz Surowiecki: "The name Serb is older than Slav for all peoples of Wendic ancestry". 


Slovak historian Jozef Safarik: "Serbs was the oldest generic name for all Slavs" 

[Pyrros]

Sept 1, 2018 10:12:05 GMT -5 branislavnusic said:

Sept 1, 2018 10:06:41 GMT -5 rex362 said:

now take this from rex the villager with common sense :

If you mention the term ..."Ancient serbia" in/of the Balkans to a historian they would laugh their ass off

now of course serbs/slavs are ancient.....anybody alive today can be said they are ancient

but not from the Balkans

Czech historian Josef Dobrovský: "If I had to give a common name for all the Slavs, it would be the name Serb". 


Polish Historian Lorenz Surowiecki: "The name Serb is older than Slav for all peoples of Wendic ancestry". 


Slovak historian Jozef Safarik: "Serbs was the oldest generic name for all Slavs" 

are you sure bro this is not some Bulgarian job or the Church Slavonic ??

[branislavnusic]

Sept 1, 2018 10:19:26 GMT -5 Pyrros said:

Sept 1, 2018 10:12:05 GMT -5 branislavnusic said:

Czech historian Josef Dobrovský: "If I had to give a common name for all the Slavs, it would be the name Serb". 


Polish Historian Lorenz Surowiecki: "The name Serb is older than Slav for all peoples of Wendic ancestry". 


Slovak historian Jozef Safarik: "Serbs was the oldest generic name for all Slavs" 

are you sure bro this is not some Bulgarian job or the Church Slavonic ??

I think it may be croat, don't you?

[rex362]

Sept 1, 2018 10:12:05 GMT -5 branislavnusic said:

Sept 1, 2018 10:06:41 GMT -5 rex362 said:

now take this from rex the villager with common sense :

If you mention the term ..."Ancient serbia" in/of the Balkans to a historian they would laugh their ass off

now of course serbs/slavs are ancient.....anybody alive today can be said they are ancient

but not from the Balkans

Czech historian Josef Dobrovský: "If I had to give a common name for all the Slavs, it would be the name Serb". 


Polish Historian Lorenz Surowiecki: "The name Serb is older than Slav for all peoples of Wendic ancestry". 


Slovak historian Jozef Safarik: "Serbs was the oldest generic name for all Slavs" 

well I would agree with them when they first refereed to slavs as  slaves /servants from Roman/latin period ---> Sclavus

in Albanian servant is Sherbetor /sherbyes

in Albanina slave is  Skllav

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Sept 1, 2018 10:06:41 GMT -5 rex362 said:

now take this from rex the villager with common sense :

If you mention the term ..."Ancient serbia" in/of the Balkans to a historian they would laugh their ass off

now of course serbs/slavs are ancient.....anybody alive today can be said they are ancient

but not from the Balkans

This whole talk is not about the origins of the nation (that's history), but about the origins of modern day population. Modern day Serbs and other South Slavs are majorly I2a people. Original Serbs were R1a people (its present among all South Slavs but in smaller numbers). For example, Nemanjic dynasty male lineage was R1a. We also talk about origins of Paleolithic (old Stone Age) Balkan people. They were G + I2a. Haplogroup G is now only present among southern Macedonians in about 10%, and almost exclusive to Georgians and Ossetians. Haplogroup I2a is present mostly among South Slavs. Its rare among Albanians. The Serbs didn't came to Balkans from Carpathian mountains, but from eastern Germany. The original Serbs are descendants of Indo-Europeans, also known as Yamna culture, or Pit Grave culture, because they had special burial customs. However those cultures like Sopot and Vinca had to do something with modern day South Slavs. Whether or not South Slavs came from Carphatian mountains (I2a was present there too), is not the subject of discussion here. We're saying that similar people (genetic relatives) of modern South Slavs lived here even in Paleolithic Europe (5500 BC and before). Main Albanian lineage is E-v13. Its to be found in Balkans for the first time in Bronze Age (between 1200 BC and 3000 BC).

[branislavnusic]

Sept 1, 2018 10:24:02 GMT -5 rex362 said:

Sept 1, 2018 10:12:05 GMT -5 branislavnusic said:

Czech historian Josef Dobrovský: "If I had to give a common name for all the Slavs, it would be the name Serb". 


Polish Historian Lorenz Surowiecki: "The name Serb is older than Slav for all peoples of Wendic ancestry". 


Slovak historian Jozef Safarik: "Serbs was the oldest generic name for all Slavs" 

well I would agree with them when they first refereed to slavs as  slaves /servants from Roman/latin period

in Albanian servant is Sherbetor /sherbyes

in Albanina slave is  Skllav

Sloven comes from Slovo meaning "word"

[rex362]

some good easy reading

www.ancient.eu/Slavs/

[branislavnusic]

Sept 1, 2018 10:33:05 GMT -5 rex362 said:

some good easy reading

www.ancient.eu/Slavs/

Yeah what about it? I already knew about the information on that page.

[rex362]

Dr Wizard Pyrros a few questions :

(since you have all the sticky notes on serbdom more than serbs themselves do )

1)When was the word "serb" first used in history as a unit of people ?

2) and where are the serbs during the Great Schism  ...1000's ad ??

3) the first serbian books /manuscripts ?

[Emperor AAdmin]

Sept 1, 2018 10:29:28 GMT -5 branislavnusic said:

Sept 1, 2018 10:24:02 GMT -5 rex362 said:

well I would agree with them when they first refereed to slavs as  slaves /servants from Roman/latin period

in Albanian servant is Sherbetor /sherbyes

in Albanina slave is  Skllav

Sloven comes from Slovo meaning "word"

To be even more precise I would say name Slavs comes from the word "sloviti" which means "to speak".

Ancient Slavs spoke for most part same language and therefore perceived each other as able to speak with each other.

On the other hand they called Germans (as they do today) Nijemci/Nemci who spoke a language not intelligible to Slavs.

Nem/Nijem in Slavic means "mute" or "unable to talk" so Germans were seen as ones unable to talk (their language or Slavic).

I would say precisely for the reason they called Germans "Mutes" that it would make a lot of sense to refer to each other as "ones who can talk" or "sloviti".

At this point any other explanation simply does not really make sense (especially Slav being derived from word Slave).

[Emperor AAdmin]

Sept 1, 2018 11:33:18 GMT -5 rex362 said:

Dr Wizard Pyrros a few questions :

(since you have all the sticky notes on serbdom more than serbs themselves do )

1)When was the word "serb" first used in history as a unit of people ?

2) and where are the serbs during the Great Schism  ...1000's ad ??

Regarding the first question

Various authors mentioned names of Serbs (Serbian: Srbi / Срби) and Sorbs (Upper Sorbian: Serbja; Lower Sorbian: Serby) in different variants: Surbii, Suurbi, Serbloi, Zeriuani, Sorabi, Surben, Sarbi, Serbii, Serboi, Zirbi, Surbi, Sorben,[1] etc. These authors used these names to refer to Serbs and Sorbs in areas where their historical (or current) presence was/is not disputed (notably in the Balkans and Lusatia), but there are also sources that mention the same or similar names in other parts of the World (most notably in the Asiatic Sarmatia in the Caucasus). Attempts of various researchers to connect these names with modern Serbs produced various theories about the origin of the Serb people.

Early historical mentions of an alleged "Serb" ethnonym in the Caucasus

-Pliny the Younger in his work Plinii Caecilii Secundi Historia naturalis from the first century AD (69-75) mentioned people named Serbi,[2] who lived near the Cimmerians, presumably on the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov.[citation needed]
-In the 2nd century (around 175 AD), the Egyptian Greek scientist Claudius Ptolemy mentioned in his Geography people named Serboi or Sirboi,[2] who presumably lived behind the Caucasus, in the hinterland of the Caspian Sea.[citation needed]

Early historical mentions of other Serb-sounding names that some researchers are trying to connect with the Serb people

In the same book where he mentioned people named Serboi, Claudius Ptolemy also mentioned city named Serbinum in Pannonia.[2]

Ancient geographer Strabo mentioned that river Xanthos in Lycia was formerly named Sirbis.[3]

Herodotus mentions lake named Serbonis in Egypt.[citation needed] This lake was also mentioned as Sirbonis by Strabo.[4]

In the 10th century, Byzantine emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogennetos (912-959) mentioned in his book De Ceremoniis, apart from the Slavic Croats and Serbs, there were two tribes named Krevatades (Krevatas) and Sarban (Sarbani), which some researches identified as Croats and Serbs.[citation needed] These tribes were located in the Caucasus near the river Terek, between Alania and Tsanaria.[5][6][7][8] The Sarban tribe in the Caucasus in the 10th century was also recorded by an Arab geographer.[9]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_hypotheses_of_the_Serbs#Early_historical_records_of_the_Serb_name

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Sept 1, 2018 13:28:58 GMT -5 Emperor AAdmin said:

Sept 1, 2018 11:33:18 GMT -5 rex362 said:

Dr Wizard Pyrros a few questions :

(since you have all the sticky notes on serbdom more than serbs themselves do )

1)When was the word "serb" first used in history as a unit of people ?

2) and where are the serbs during the Great Schism  ...1000's ad ??

Regarding the first question

Various authors mentioned names of Serbs (Serbian: Srbi / Срби) and Sorbs (Upper Sorbian: Serbja; Lower Sorbian: Serby) in different variants: Surbii, Suurbi, Serbloi, Zeriuani, Sorabi, Surben, Sarbi, Serbii, Serboi, Zirbi, Surbi, Sorben,[1] etc. These authors used these names to refer to Serbs and Sorbs in areas where their historical (or current) presence was/is not disputed (notably in the Balkans and Lusatia), but there are also sources that mention the same or similar names in other parts of the World (most notably in the Asiatic Sarmatia in the Caucasus). Attempts of various researchers to connect these names with modern Serbs produced various theories about the origin of the Serb people.

Early historical mentions of an alleged "Serb" ethnonym in the Caucasus

-Pliny the Younger in his work Plinii Caecilii Secundi Historia naturalis from the first century AD (69-75) mentioned people named Serbi,[2] who lived near the Cimmerians, presumably on the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov.[citation needed]
-In the 2nd century (around 175 AD), the Egyptian Greek scientist Claudius Ptolemy mentioned in his Geography people named Serboi or Sirboi,[2] who presumably lived behind the Caucasus, in the hinterland of the Caspian Sea.[citation needed]

Early historical mentions of other Serb-sounding names that some researchers are trying to connect with the Serb people

In the same book where he mentioned people named Serboi, Claudius Ptolemy also mentioned city named Serbinum in Pannonia.[2]

Ancient geographer Strabo mentioned that river Xanthos in Lycia was formerly named Sirbis.[3]

Herodotus mentions lake named Serbonis in Egypt.[citation needed] This lake was also mentioned as Sirbonis by Strabo.[4]

In the 10th century, Byzantine emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogennetos (912-959) mentioned in his book De Ceremoniis, apart from the Slavic Croats and Serbs, there were two tribes named Krevatades (Krevatas) and Sarban (Sarbani), which some researches identified as Croats and Serbs.[citation needed] These tribes were located in the Caucasus near the river Terek, between Alania and Tsanaria.[5][6][7][8] The Sarban tribe in the Caucasus in the 10th century was also recorded by an Arab geographer.[9]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_hypotheses_of_the_Serbs#Early_historical_records_of_the_Serb_name

Exactly! Regardings the old Yamna/Kurgan/Pit Grave cuture that early Serb tribe belonged to:

Update: 01/07/2015. More 2-meter tall skeletons unearthed in Kazakhstan, and Russia in the past few months!

Source: link

Which makes sense why Roman emperors wanted to employ those fighters if the later Serb tribe had so huge people.