|
|
Post by Pyrros on Sept 1, 2018 5:14:24 GMT -5
They arrived in Greece. Only later moved to Albania. Besides mainland Greeks also have the same main Y-DNA lineages as Albanians E-v13.
PS. Also Y-DNA testing of the Paleolithic Europeans was done by the group of scientists, where our scientists were involved too.
But this would mean that the albo toponyms would be plenty in Greece. Not the case. Slavic is plenty.
The pattern shows otherwise, Vlahs from central Greece moving to south Greece.... The very first strongholds of albovlahs were in Albania and Thessaly (great Vlahia 1204 AD).
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 5:19:58 GMT -5
They arrived in Greece. Only later moved to Albania. Besides mainland Greeks also have the same main Y-DNA lineages as Albanians E-v13.
PS. Also Y-DNA testing of the Paleolithic Europeans was done by the group of scientists, where our scientists were involved too.
But this would mean that the albo toponyms would be plenty in Greece. Not the case. Slavic is plenty.
The pattern shows otherwise, Vlahs from central Greece moving to south Greece.... The very first strongholds of albovlahs were in Albania and Thessaly (great Vlahia 1204 AD).
Like I said, I only trust haplogroups because they follow the migrations of the people. Its ingrained in your genes, its permanent. Everything is subject to a change. |
|
|
|
Post by Pyrros on Sept 1, 2018 5:20:05 GMT -5
everything is easy if we follow common logic.
If we have e.g. NumA albo newcomers and NumS slavs nartives, what must be a minimal value of the ratio: CultureA * NumA / CultureS * NumS inorder for albs to have a chance to form a country ? an entity?
can this value be achieved ? in my calculations this is impossible as the weighted ratio should be at least 0.5 and the albs were much fewer in anything.
Only a forced exodus of Slavs can explain the presence of Albs. And those exoduses are NOT somth that happens every day, but rather exceptions to the rule..
Therefore I firmly believe what common logic tell us : no albs prior to 10th century.
|
|
|
|
Post by Pyrros on Sept 1, 2018 5:21:41 GMT -5
But this would mean that the albo toponyms would be plenty in Greece. Not the case. Slavic is plenty.
The pattern shows otherwise, Vlahs from central Greece moving to south Greece.... The very first strongholds of albovlahs were in Albania and Thessaly (great Vlahia 1204 AD).
Like I said, I only trust haplogroups because they follow the migrations of the people. Its ingrained in your genes, its permanent. Everything is subject to a change.
reality and observation should prevail over all theories.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 5:22:40 GMT -5
Like I said, I only trust haplogroups because they follow the migrations of the people. Its ingrained in your genes, its permanent. Everything is subject to a change.
reality and observation should prevail over all theories.
Which is exactly what I do. |
|
|
|
Post by Pyrros on Sept 1, 2018 5:26:29 GMT -5
novi got huge bibliography on the connection between albs and Caucasus. About their migration, paths, motives, west, arabs, everything.
the de-slavicaztion of southern balkans begun after the fall of the Arabian empire.
(Arabs were a friendly nation to ancient Greeks and Slavs of Greece).
THIS de-slavization is an ongoing process and still goes on to our days... as we all can see....
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 6:04:58 GMT -5
novi got huge bibliography on the connection between albs and Caucasus. About their migration, paths, motives, west, arabs, everything.
the de-slavicaztion of southern balkans begun after the fall of the Arabian empire.
(Arabs were a friendly nation to ancient Greeks and Slavs of Greece).
THIS de-slavization is an ongoing process and still goes on to our days... as we all can see....
Genetics is science. I prefer science to a myths or other types of stories. Science gives me comfort. |
|
|
|
Post by branislavnusic on Sept 1, 2018 6:24:02 GMT -5
novi got huge bibliography on the connection between albs and Caucasus. About their migration, paths, motives, west, arabs, everything.
the de-slavicaztion of southern balkans begun after the fall of the Arabian empire.
(Arabs were a friendly nation to ancient Greeks and Slavs of Greece).
THIS de-slavization is an ongoing process and still goes on to our days... as we all can see....
Genetics is science. I prefer science to a myths or other types of stories. Science gives me comfort. God gives me comfort |
|
|
|
Post by Pyrros on Sept 1, 2018 6:28:15 GMT -5
novi got huge bibliography on the connection between albs and Caucasus. About their migration, paths, motives, west, arabs, everything.
the de-slavicaztion of southern balkans begun after the fall of the Arabian empire.
(Arabs were a friendly nation to ancient Greeks and Slavs of Greece).
THIS de-slavization is an ongoing process and still goes on to our days... as we all can see....
Genetics is science. I prefer science to a myths or other types of stories. Science gives me comfort.
this is minor isolated details wrapped in a "science"-(wannabe) packaging, which fails to explain much of the observed reality. (ohhh and in case you didnt notice serves the anti-Slav cause just fine)... But the fact that this theory is perfect for the western agenda is not my problem. My problem is that it fails to explain simple facts. And I explained those.
Of course we can always hedonise about being "scientific" and throw to the garbage the observed reality and just pretend it was never there....
Remember how you laughed some years ago when I said to you that "Preveli" in Crete can only be a SLAVIC name? Or about the blond Slavs of the southest part of Greece?
|
|
|
|
Post by branislavnusic on Sept 1, 2018 6:32:10 GMT -5
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 6:53:56 GMT -5
Genetics is science. I prefer science to a myths or other types of stories. Science gives me comfort.
this is minor isolated details wrapped in a "science"-(wannabe) packaging, which fails to explain much of the observed reality. (ohhh and in case you didnt notice serves the anti-Slav cause just fine)... But the fact that this theory is perfect for the western agenda is not my problem. My problem is that it fails to explain simple facts. And I explained those.
Of course we can always hedonise about being "scientific" and throw to the garbage the observed reality and just pretend it was never there.... Science is there to show us something is or isn't. History is not a science. Genetics is. I know a Serbian scientist thats an authority involved genetic research. His word is good enough for me.
I still do. Blond hair is not connected to Slavs only. Even some Neanderthals had light ginger hair. I find everything southern than a central Greece complety unrelated to the Slavs. Central Greece has perhaps has 1 out of 10 people that have something to do with Slavs. Northern Greece much more, and it would be similar to Macedonia if Orthodox Turks haven't been settled there. I don't care for those people that don't want to be associated with other Slavs left. I don't seek to find some expansionist bullshit quasi-theory that would explain Slavs exist all around globe. I am showing facts that are 100% proven.
|
|
|
|
Post by branislavnusic on Sept 1, 2018 7:39:51 GMT -5
this is minor isolated details wrapped in a "science"-(wannabe) packaging, which fails to explain much of the observed reality. (ohhh and in case you didnt notice serves the anti-Slav cause just fine)... But the fact that this theory is perfect for the western agenda is not my problem. My problem is that it fails to explain simple facts. And I explained those.
Of course we can always hedonise about being "scientific" and throw to the garbage the observed reality and just pretend it was never there.... Science is there to show us something is or isn't. History is not a science. Genetics is. I know a Serbian scientist thats an authority involved genetic research. His word is good enough for me.
I still do. Blond hair is not connected to Slavs only. Even some Neanderthals had light ginger hair. I find everything southern than a central Greece complety unrelated to the Slavs. Central Greece has perhaps has 1 out of 10 people that have something to do with Slavs. Northern Greece much more, and it would be similar to Macedonia if Orthodox Turks haven't been settled there. I don't care for those people that don't want to be associated with other Slavs left. I don't seek to find some expansionist bullshit quasi-theory that would explain Slavs exist all around globe. I am showing facts that are 100% proven.
all indo europeans are slavic |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 7:47:43 GMT -5
Science is there to show us something is or isn't. History is not a science. Genetics is. I know a Serbian scientist thats an authority involved genetic research. His word is good enough for me.
I still do. Blond hair is not connected to Slavs only. Even some Neanderthals had light ginger hair. I find everything southern than a central Greece complety unrelated to the Slavs. Central Greece has perhaps has 1 out of 10 people that have something to do with Slavs. Northern Greece much more, and it would be similar to Macedonia if Orthodox Turks haven't been settled there. I don't care for those people that don't want to be associated with other Slavs left. I don't seek to find some expansionist bullshit quasi-theory that would explain Slavs exist all around globe. I am showing facts that are 100% proven.
all indo europeans are slavic Germanic people aren't. Latin people aren't. Celtic people aren't. Early Neolithic Greek people and ancient Greeks aren't. Paleolithic southeast Europe, Romania and southwest Ukraine are forefathers of most South Slavs and some Ukrainians. Indo-Europeans of R1a (Yamna, Kurgan culture) Y-DNA haplogroup branch are forefathers of East and West Slavs, old Serbs (modern Serbs are mixed with I2a, in fact majorly I2a), and Slovenians. |
|
|
|
Post by branislavnusic on Sept 1, 2018 8:25:46 GMT -5
all indo europeans are slavic Germanic people aren't. Latin people aren't. Celtic people aren't. Early Neolithic Greek people and ancient Greeks aren't. Paleolithic southeast Europe, Romania and southwest Ukraine are forefathers of most South Slavs and some Ukrainians. Indo-Europeans of R1a (Yamna, Kurgan culture) Y-DNA haplogroup branch are forefathers of East and West Slavs, old Serbs (modern Serbs are mixed with I2a, in fact majorly I2a), and Slovenians. Linguistically they are. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 8:39:20 GMT -5
Germanic people aren't. Latin people aren't. Celtic people aren't. Early Neolithic Greek people and ancient Greeks aren't. Paleolithic southeast Europe, Romania and southwest Ukraine are forefathers of most South Slavs and some Ukrainians. Indo-Europeans of R1a (Yamna, Kurgan culture) Y-DNA haplogroup branch are forefathers of East and West Slavs, old Serbs (modern Serbs are mixed with I2a, in fact majorly I2a), and Slovenians. Linguistically they are. This issue is too complicated because of the various alternating theories, so I won't be getting into it. |
|
|
|
Post by Pyrros on Sept 1, 2018 8:40:06 GMT -5
this is minor isolated details wrapped in a "science"-(wannabe) packaging, which fails to explain much of the observed reality. (ohhh and in case you didnt notice serves the anti-Slav cause just fine)... But the fact that this theory is perfect for the western agenda is not my problem. My problem is that it fails to explain simple facts. And I explained those.
Of course we can always hedonise about being "scientific" and throw to the garbage the observed reality and just pretend it was never there.... Science is there to show us something is or isn't. History is not a science. Genetics is. I know a Serbian scientist thats an authority involved genetic research. His word is good enough for me.
I still do. Blond hair is not connected to Slavs only. Even some Neanderthals had light ginger hair. I find everything southern than a central Greece complety unrelated to the Slavs. Central Greece has perhaps has 1 out of 10 people that have something to do with Slavs. Northern Greece much more, and it would be similar to Macedonia if Orthodox Turks haven't been settled there. I don't care for those people that don't want to be associated with other Slavs left. I don't seek to find some expansionist bullshit quasi-theory that would explain Slavs exist all around globe. I am showing facts that are 100% proven.
Science is there to serve and explain the human observation. Human is in the center. When science is of limited capacity to explain something then the problem is not on the observation but on science or the inadequate use of science. Science is not any autonomous divine concept.
That said, History, as much as I hate to say this, bears all the fundamental characteristics of the scientific process. If done right. In fact, as I have shown in the past, History boils down to reverse de-application (much like rewind in tapes) of historic events from the present status trying to give a shape to human state of affairs as it was in the past. So it is a strictly mathematical process, in its ideal form. You'll hardly find a dump person among the best Historians (Florin Curta, Peter Charanis, etc...)
You yourself make use of info on excavations/pottery in your research. All the combinations of various scientific fields to reach some truth of the unknown past is called : History.
|
|
|
|
Post by Pyrros on Sept 1, 2018 8:43:35 GMT -5
I find everything southern than a central Greece complety unrelated to the Slavs.
prior to 1926 used be double that number ....
200 SLAVIC toponyms in the SOUTHEST place of Greece.
makes sense?
|
|
|
|
Post by branislavnusic on Sept 1, 2018 8:45:14 GMT -5
This issue is too complicated because of the various alternating theories, so I won't be getting into it. True.. |
|
rex362
Senior Moderator 
Pellazg
PELASGIANILLYROALBANIAN
Posts: 19,075
|
Post by rex362 on Sept 1, 2018 9:14:45 GMT -5
Wizard pyrros fantasy thread
when you say ancient serbia look far away from the Balkans
and again for all your slavic toponyms names you can thank Bulgaria and the church slavonic
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 9:19:32 GMT -5
Science is there to show us something is or isn't. History is not a science. Genetics is. I know a Serbian scientist thats an authority involved genetic research. His word is good enough for me.
I still do. Blond hair is not connected to Slavs only. Even some Neanderthals had light ginger hair. I find everything southern than a central Greece complety unrelated to the Slavs. Central Greece has perhaps has 1 out of 10 people that have something to do with Slavs. Northern Greece much more, and it would be similar to Macedonia if Orthodox Turks haven't been settled there. I don't care for those people that don't want to be associated with other Slavs left. I don't seek to find some expansionist bullshit quasi-theory that would explain Slavs exist all around globe. I am showing facts that are 100% proven.
Science is there to serve and explain the human observation. Human is in the center. When science is of limited capacity to explain something then the problem is not on the observation but on science or the inadequate use of science. Science is not any autonomous divine concept.
That said, History, as much as I hate to say this, bears all the fundamental characteristics of the scientific process. If done right. In fact, as I have shown in the past, History boils down to reverse de-application (much like rewind in tapes) of historic events from the present status trying to give a shape to human state of affairs as it was in the past. So it is a strictly mathematical process, in its ideal form. You'll hardly find a dump person among the best Historians (Florin Curta, Peter Charanis, etc...)
You yourself make use of info on excavations/pottery in your research. All the combinations of various scientific fields to reach some truth of the unknown past is called : History.
I only agree on science is human-centric. Science means "knowledge" translated from Latin. So science is a way to systematically organize the knowledge. We can't know man-made history for certain, and so history is not science. What can we know about human history? Some details. We can excavate archeological sites, find what tools and infrastructure people had at their disposal at the given period, and if we're very lucky we can find well preserved human remains. Testing these human remains can tell us more about the origins of those humans and connect them to modern day humans. Everything in between is vague, because history books are written by winners. The further the history goes back through the timeline the more room for alternation of original sources can exist, but in many cases there is not even a written record of some event. In other cases there are languages that were not deciphered and they never will be. Genetics on the other hand is based on biology, chemistry and foundation of mathematics so its considered to be systematically organized knowledge - thus science. |
|
