Post by Hellenas on Jan 20, 2012 23:43:04 GMT -5
According to Carleton S. Coon(American anthropologist), both Greek Mediterraneans and Bulgarian Mediterraneans are Atlanto-Meds and related to each other. For Bunak(Russian Anthropologist) both Greek Meds and Bulgarian Meds are Pontics and related to each other. For Bertil Lundman(Swede Anthropologist) both Greek Mediterraneans and Bulgarian Mediterraneans are East-Meds and related to each other. And for Aris Poulianos(Greek Anthropologist/Paleoanthropologist), both Greeks and most of Bulgarians are Aegean Meds and once again related to each other.
Yes, but it's got nothing to do with the fact that they're Atlantos it's got to do with the fact that they're Meds. Alpines are Meds also.
Wrong, Greeks are Europeans(Europeanized). The J2 to the Greeks is not J2 but J2f1(Aegean) and J2e(which is frequent in Greece and Albania). The E3B is not E3B to the Greeks but exclusively E3b1a(also known as E-M78 or as E-M78á, which has a maximum frequency in Greece and southern Balkans). Greeks are not Near Easterns but European Mediterraneans and Alpines.
J2 is a Near Eastern gene and it's found in Southern Italy Bulgaria and Sicily Albania and Crete also those are the exact places Phoenicians colonized J2a ancestry
It's got to do with the Phoenicians more than anything/one elese. Human beings evolved out of Asia mostly West and Central so no one's disputing the fact Greeks aren't European and that they are Middle Eastern.
No one in Europe has a Middle Eastern J1a gene because no Europeans evolved out of the direct Middle East aka Saudi Arabia, or Yemen that would be pushing it somewhat.
Northern Europeans were the last to evolved out of Asia, and Southern Europeans were the first thus, Southern Europeans are Meds.
www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml#J2
J2 originated in northern Mesopotamia, and spread westward to Anatolia and southern Europe, and eastward to Persia and India. J2 is related to the Ancient Etruscans, (Minoan) Greeks, Southern Anatolians, Phoenicians, Assyrians and Babylonians.
In Europe, J2 reaches its highest frequency in Greece (especially in Crete, Peloponese and Thrace), Southern and Central Italy, Southern France, and Southern Spain. The ancient Greeks and Phoenicians were the main driving forces behind the spread J2 around the Western and Southern Mediterranean.
J2 is thought to have arrived in Greece from Anatolia somtime between the (late) Neolithic and the Bronze Age.
So basically J2a comes from Anatolia ( which is Pontus ) and to a lesser extent North Iraq ( Mesopotamia ) and North Syria ( Aleppo/Latakia )
E3b is also a Neolithic marker/gene it's got nothing to do with African Arabs which is the E1bb marker.
E3b also started from the Near East/West Asia and is found in the southern part of the Balkans.
www.jogg.info/32/bird.htm
Read my post above.
Both J2f1(Aegean) and J2e(which is frequent in Greece and Albania) are Europeanized. The E3b1a(also known as E-M78 or as E-M78á) in Greece is also Europeanized. Also all other European haplogroups have an origin in Africa, but Europeans are not "Africans", they are Europeanized. Who cares for the origin of haplogroups? Europeans care how they look today not how they looked in the Neolithic or Paleolithic age.
Greece:
EUROPEAN HAPLOGROUPS-94%
HIGHEST HAPLOGROUP OF NATION-E1B1B-27%
NON-EUROPEAN HAPLOGROUPS-6%