Albanian Language

[anaxagoras]

OK, so I am starting to feel a little funny every time I hear Albanian referred to as some Caucasian, or Uralic-Altaic, or Turkic, or whatever the flavor-du-jour of young serbogreek internet punks is. So I put together something quick but definitive, not so much to show what the Albanian language is but what it is NOT. While there is some controversy about which specific language modern Albanian is derived from, there is no serious scholar that looks for its origins outside of the general Balkan area.

I am including the sources, which should be accessible to all, and are published in the last 5 years. So, please for fuck's sake don't come back at me with some dinky youtube videos or Kaplan Resolli shit because I will dickwhip you harder than Desire Yearning at one of her 'face modeling' shoots.

Enjoy,

Balkan Sprachbund Morpho-Syntactic Features (Studies in Natural Language and Linguistic Theory)
Author: Olga M. Tomic
Publisher: Springer; 1 edition (September 25, 2006)
www.amazon.com/Sprachbund-Morpho-Syntactic-Features-Language-Linguistic/dp/1402044879





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Linguistic Phylogenetic Interference by PAM-like Matrices.
Authors: Antonella Delmestri and Nello Cristianini
University of Toronto, Italy, November 2010
eprints.biblio.unitn.it/archive/00001917/01/Phylogenetic_Inference_DISI.pdf



Just a visual aid to break up the monotony of printed pages.
The Treatment of Conflicting Signals in the History of Language Classification.
Author: Johann-Mattis List.
Heinrich Heine University Düsseldorf, 2010


Networking Phylogeny for Indo-European and Austronesian Languages
Authors: Philippe Blanchard1, Filippo Petroni2, Maurizio Serva3 & Dimitri Volchenkov4
1Bielefeld-Bonn Stochastic Research Center, Universität Bielefeld, Universitätsstr. 25,D-33615 Bielefeld, Germany.

2 DIMADEFAS, Facoltà di Economia, Università di Roma "La Sapienza", Via del Castro Laurenziano 9, 00161 Roma, Italy.

3Dipartimento di Matematica, Università dell'Aquila, I-67010 L'Aquila, Italy.
4Center of Excellence Cognitive Interaction Technology, Universität Bielefeld, Postfach 10 01 31, 33501 Bielefeld, Germany.



The evolution of language: proceedings of the 6th international conference.By Angelo Cangelosi, Andrew D. M. Smith, Kenny Smith

[atdhetar]

good stuff, this is hard to swallow for some but 'tis the undeniable truth 'one of the oldest pre indo-european languages', nuff said!

[Moe Lester]

Jan 2, 2012 5:54:38 GMT -5 atdhetar said:

good stuff, this is hard to swallow for some but 'tis the undeniable truth 'one of the oldest pre indo-european languages', nuff said!

If Albanian is one of them, who are the others?

[atdhetar]

read above its mentioned there and why is that important? we are talking about albanian here

[Shqipni13]

It just seems like a waste of time with the serbs and greeks though. No matter what kind of proof you show they will dismiss it simply out of prejudice, nothing more.

[atdhetar]

a hellenas classic ....'these authors are funded by zionists', if all else fails use a reference to an obscure group of people conspiring to take over the world!

[Kanaris]

Didja read the part >>> "Illyrian descendency to Albanian is hard to prove"

This is what I hate about this articles... they are so gung ho and get you exited and then they throw in something like that... in a court of law... the above sentence is enough to get the case thrown out...

You have to find the missing link to answer all your questions... it's good what you found but it will be always argumentative.

[atdhetar]

Jan 2, 2012 14:47:52 GMT -5 Kanaris said:

Didja read the part >>> "Illyrian descendency to Albanian is hard to prove"

This is what I hate about this articles... they are so gung ho and get you exited and then they throw in something like that... in a court of law... the above sentence is enough to get the case thrown out...

You have to find the missing link to answer all your questions... it's good what you found but it will be always argumentative.

yes its argumentative in the context of what portion of the modern day albanian was influenced by illyrian, thracian or latin, but when you downgrade it to caucasian argument then its idiotic,

courts also admit circumstantial evidence as well, besides these are world renowed authors we are talking about here who are devoid of bias, lets get some perspective here.

[atdhetar]

its argumentative whether contemporary greeks are the offspring of the ancients and whether greece would have been able to create a state were it not for albanians

[rex362]

or we can just stick with the simple hats and win

[Kanaris]

Jan 2, 2012 17:29:20 GMT -5 atdhetar said:

its argumentative whether contemporary greeks are the offspring of the ancients and whether greece would have been able to create a state were it not for albanians

The powers and the will of the Greek Diaspora won Greece it's independence... Yes... albanians with Greek first and last names also helped. Yes I agree with you that there's a small percentage of greeks with blood of the ancients... but what has that to do with this thread?

[atdhetar]

i lost track of what we're talking about

[anaxagoras]

A very interesting book and for a historical perspective on the controversy:

Albanian Identities: Myth and HistoryStephanie Schwandner-Sievers (Editor), Bernd J. Fischer (Editor)
Paperback: 256 pages
Publisher: Indiana University Press (October 21, 2002)


www.amazon.com/Albanian-Identities-History-Stephanie-Schwandner-Sievers/dp/0253215706

[atdhetar]

a very nice find indeed, interesting read, especially the part where they ridicule that greek sudent who was mativated by political factors.

[Kanaris]

^ Interesting,I din't think people were that much into that 'other' Albania... and that Albanian historians exercised that notion.

[anaxagoras]

Jan 2, 2012 19:24:28 GMT -5 Kanaris said:

^ Interesting,I din't think people were that much into that 'other' Albania... and that Albanian historians exercised that notion.

Yeah, I am sorry to break a few hearts because I know what a crowd-pleaser around here is the idea of that 'other' Albania and the 'caucasian' map that pops up with it. But, alas, boys must finally become men and know the pain and disappointment of this world

[rex362]

like I said in an earlier post ....many people were creating history bcs of the grey periods for many European areas ....from 600's AD - 1200's ....and mostly religious houses/corporations creating it from supposed ancients or better to say from the eye of the ancients and of course their religious needs and wants


let alone the cannibalism of it afterwords

[anaxagoras]

Jan 2, 2012 19:20:07 GMT -5 atdhetar said:

a very nice find indeed, interesting read, especially the part where they ridicule that greek sudent who was mativated by political factors.

The Greeks should light a thousand candles and kiss the knees of ancient statues because if it wasn't for their great efforts at documenting the language they would be in the same boat as the Albanians.

Indo-European Linguistics
Michael Meier-Brugger (Author), Charles Gertmenian (Translator)
Publisher: Walter de Gruyter (October 2003)

www.amazon.com/Indo-European-Linguistics-Michael-Meier-Br-gger/dp/3110174332/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1325550811&sr=1-1

[atdhetar]

but i don't think people in here truly believe that caucasus link, they just mention to wind us up, i mean just the sheer implausability is a dead giveaway

[Kanaris]

I absolutely agree... we would know nothing today...

What kind of history have the 'latins' or early romans have written about Illyrians?