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Post by Anittas on Jan 11, 2012 7:28:52 GMT -5
Okay, say that you save someone's life by liberating them from the Talebans who were holding him hostage. Then that person shows you his gratitute by stealing your car and claims that your house should belong to him as well.
Does that make any sense?
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Post by punisher on Jan 11, 2012 10:51:20 GMT -5
did you save somebody from the talebans?
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Post by elemag on Jan 11, 2012 11:24:21 GMT -5
Reminds of another scenario: you take someone under your wing in your own house, you give him all basics for development as a human being - you learn him to read and write, you baptise him and try everything you can to make him a proper citizen who follows the accepted rules in the country. In a short time this person turns against you and refuses to have anything in common.
Does that make any sense?
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Post by Anittas on Jan 11, 2012 11:29:47 GMT -5
Let's make your scenario more accurate: you invade that person's garden, build a house on his land, force him to learn some of your bad habbits and expect him to like you? Does that make any sense to you?
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Post by elemag on Jan 11, 2012 11:39:27 GMT -5
Let's make things even clearer: this person had no garden of his own, nor house or whatever belongings in that matter. In fact, this person wasn't even recorded to live in this place. You make this land flourish again by bringing some advanced agricultural and stock-breeding knowledge and pass it to the person wgo returns some time later. This person, though, for some reason decides to spit on you. Does that make any sense to you?
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Post by punisher on Jan 11, 2012 12:09:15 GMT -5
a group of people fled the mountains and came to your land for a better life,and they're having a good life and with lots of benefits but in the end,they decide to kill all the locals,does this sound familiar and does it make any sense?
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Post by Anittas on Jan 11, 2012 12:14:52 GMT -5
That's not a fair description of the scenario. The person who had his garden invaded was a relative to the person in the first scenario that freed the guy being held hostage by the Talebans. In your scenario, I was speaking solely of the person who got his garden invaded. It was his property which the invaders had violated.
There was little technological advancement that the invaders brought with them. Let's not forget that at the time, the garden in question was very high in real estate value. Now it's mostly a dump.
To go back to the original scenario, it's all about the invader, who was eventually himself subdued by a distant relative of his, showing his ingratitude to the one who risked his life to free him.
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Post by elemag on Jan 11, 2012 13:31:23 GMT -5
That relative of the liberator was infact not present, let alone having a garden of whatever kind. The area was anything but a garden after all the other people who have passed through it and devastated everything. Only after the guys with the advanced technology decided to set foot there for good, the place started to become civilized and good for living. A place with great tolerance to all other ethnicities that allowed your so-called gardener to return at some point and enjoy being a citizen of a powerful and fair state. The fact that the gardener managed to form a state later and take part in the liberation of one town is a litlle payback for the many good things he had experienced before.
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Post by Anittas on Jan 11, 2012 13:38:13 GMT -5
Dude, get your words in order. What you write is utterly BS. The guy I'm talking about lived in the area since time immemorial. Your guy was a bandit who kept wandering through different lands because he kept getting his ass kicked. Your guy brought nothing good, nothing beautiful. My guy liberated your guy. Now let's leave it at that.
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Post by elemag on Jan 11, 2012 13:43:13 GMT -5
Nah...My guy established healthy states under his current name wherever he went. You gyu may have lived here but at the time my guy came, he was nowhere to be seen and no one knew about him. I do think that later your guy felt pretty fine under my guy (no sexual context here) and didn't have any objections.
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Post by Anittas on Jan 11, 2012 13:45:52 GMT -5
Wtf u talking about? Your guy even encountered the Bessi, a relative to my guy. Fvck this, in fact, you're related to the guy that first lived in the garden and my guy, so why are you such a bitch?
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Post by elemag on Jan 11, 2012 13:51:22 GMT -5
The fact that my guy met some people doesn't mean they exerted a great influence on him. He managed to cope quite well by himself. Well, to a point but at that time he had already sufficiently spread his seed. Few drops of other blood simply contributed to his today's loveliness.
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Post by Anittas on Jan 11, 2012 13:53:30 GMT -5
That's BS. Your guy came to an area that was surrounded by a majority of people. Your guy was in the minority. So he imposed his rule on those people, but he couldn't even retain his language. So much was his influence. Lolz. Give it a break, already.
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Post by elemag on Jan 11, 2012 13:57:10 GMT -5
If my guy was in such a tiny minority but managed to impose his rule on those surrounding him (a rule that lasted quite long), what does it speak about those guys? So disorganized, weak and uncapable that if it wasn't for my guy to come and show them the way, they would never ever manage to form something like a state?
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Post by Anittas on Jan 11, 2012 13:59:56 GMT -5
Maybe they were weak to a certain point, but you hail from that majority of weakness. Don't feel bad, though. The same guys further north were strong. You can be a part of "the force". Okay, cool, now we're good.
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Post by elemag on Jan 11, 2012 14:04:10 GMT -5
I personally hail from my mother and father
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