Bozur
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Post by Bozur on Mar 9, 2012 17:02:03 GMT -5
Friday, March 09, 2012 Macedonia
Macedonian Authorities Condemn Wave Of Ethnic Violence Macedonian Interior Minister Gordana Jankulovska By RFE/RL's Balkan Service March 09, 2012
The interior minister of the former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia has condemned a recent wave of ethnically motivated violence, including a series of attacks this week that left nearly a dozen people injured.
Speaking on March 9 in a report to parliament, Gordana Jankulovska said the ministry had appealed for calm following repeated clashes between the country's ethnic Macedonian and Albanian communities.
"The Interior Ministry has made a strong appeal for tensions to be reduced," Jankulovska said. "We ask all political factions to do their best to help us to overcome this situation."
The authorities say at least 10 people were injured in a number of overnight attacks on March 7, with groups of youths hurling stones at buses and using baseball bats to beat passengers. The ethnic identity of the attackers and the victims was not clear.
Jankulovska said a total of 38 people had been injured in clashes since the beginning of the year.
Ermira Mehmeti, the head of the parliamentary committee on interethnic relations, said on March 9 it was crucial to address the tensions before they got worse.
"Good interethnic relations and coexistence are the priorities of this state," Mehmeti said. "Therefore, there is need for a discussion about these events and their impact and influence on interethnic and interreligious relations in the Republic of Macedonia."
Ethnic Albanians are believed to make up one-fourth of Macedonia's population of 2 million.
Relations between Albanians and the Macedonian majority remain scarred by a 2001 government offensive aimed at crushing an ethnic Albanian insurgency.
Ralf Breth, the head of the Organization for Security and Cooperation's Skopje mission, on March 9 called on the authorities to fully investigate the incidents and said violence was unacceptable "in a sensitive multiethnic environment."
The U.S. Embassy has condemned the latest violence.
A Macedonian analyst, speaking to RFE/RL, expressed fear the renewed tensions meant the country was "approaching an abyss."
With AFP reporting www.rferl.org/content/macedonia_officials_condemn_ethnic_violence/24510582.html
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Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Mar 10, 2012 9:42:23 GMT -5
All my wishes go to the slavic populations, wherever they are..... Samo napred Makedonijo!
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Post by valmir on Mar 10, 2012 11:39:24 GMT -5
The end of this artificial country is coming soon!
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Post by srbobran on Mar 10, 2012 16:52:52 GMT -5
^You better hope not. Albanians have a MORE than fair agreement within the current Macedonian framework.
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Post by ralphtpika on Mar 10, 2012 17:35:57 GMT -5
^You better hope not. Albanians have a MORE than fair agreement within the current Macedonian framework. So called agreement Yes, implemented and executed properly No!
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Post by mystery on Mar 10, 2012 21:28:43 GMT -5
^You better hope not. Albanians have a MORE than fair agreement within the current Macedonian framework. lulz, typical skoptard response
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Post by srbobran on Mar 10, 2012 23:15:36 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? Albanians comprise only 25% of the population of Macedonia yet a government CANNOT be formed unless an Albanian party is included. The Minister of Defense is Albanian for Christ's sake. Name one country that affords its minorities these kinds of political privileges. The Macedonians are FAR too lenient, they have given the Albanians every right imaginable and still it is not enough. Clearly appeasement doesn't work.
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Post by logicallyalb on Mar 11, 2012 12:05:46 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? Albanians comprise only 25% of the population of Macedonia yet a government CANNOT be formed unless an Albanian party is included. The Minister of Defense is Albanian for Christ's sake. Name one country that affords its minorities these kinds of political privileges. The Macedonians are FAR too lenient, they have given the Albanians every right imaginable and still it is not enough. Clearly appeasement doesn't work. The first part is not correct. VMRO did not have enough seats to form a majority in the 2011 election, thus, a coalition was needed with another party. If VMRO did not set up a coalition with an Albanian party then the opposing party SDSM could have hypothetically set up a government with the other Albanian parties. Thus the Albanian parties had a significant impact in the election and used their leverage to include key positions in forming the government (i.e defense minister.) The Ohrid Agreement does not require an Albanian party to be included to form a government though traditionally Albanian party has been included. Personally I would have liked to see DUI and DPA form a coalition with SDSM. The Albanians could possibly of had more key officials and told this ultra pseudo nationalistic VMRO to go fck themselves. But threeway coalitions are supposedly risky and Albanian parties (DUI) are happy to serve as the lapdogs to the Slavs. Secondly, nothing has been "given" by these Macedonians. Many of the "rights" Albanians have today were due to the conflict in 2001.
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Post by uz on Mar 11, 2012 14:26:24 GMT -5
SKOPJE -- Several incidents between ethnic Albanians and Macedonians were reported last night in Macedonia. Macedonian police have confirmed that the attackers beat up the three victims with fists and metal bars and that one of them was in the hospital.
The police stated that another incident happened earlier on Friday when a 16-year-old Macedonian girl was attacked on the street in the town of Tetovo. A group of Albanian men first verbally attacked her and then tackled her to the ground and started kicking her. www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=03&dd=10&nav_id=79196wtf is this guys, I know this probably has to do with that cop incident last week but seriously, now everyone is quiet? Macedonians being discriminated in their own country - this is what happenin same scenario with what was/is happening in Kosovo against Serbs. Tell me, what other minority in Europe enjoys the freedoms the Albanians enjoy in Serbia and Macedonia? You guys talk s**t about our governments, yet you don't hesitate to move out of your own, and runaway from your own relentless leaders AND you keep silent on your nations drawbacks while seeking a new home and life in SERBIA and MACEDONIA. GTFO all of you.
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Post by logicallyalb on Mar 11, 2012 14:59:51 GMT -5
SKOPJE -- Several incidents between ethnic Albanians and Macedonians were reported last night in Macedonia. Macedonian police have confirmed that the attackers beat up the three victims with fists and metal bars and that one of them was in the hospital.
The police stated that another incident happened earlier on Friday when a 16-year-old Macedonian girl was attacked on the street in the town of Tetovo. A group of Albanian men first verbally attacked her and then tackled her to the ground and started kicking her. www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=03&dd=10&nav_id=79196wtf is this guys, I know this probably has to do with that cop incident last week but seriously, now everyone is quiet? Macedonians being discriminated in their own country - this is what happenin same scenario with what was/is happening in Kosovo against Serbs. Tell me, what other minority in Europe enjoys the freedoms the Albanians enjoy in Serbia and Macedonia? You guys talk s**t about our governments, yet you don't hesitate to move out of your own, and runaway from your own relentless leaders AND you keep silent on your nations drawbacks while seeking a new home and life in SERBIA and MACEDONIA. GTFO all of you. Maybe that's why I left this place because idiots such as yourself are extremely ignorant on issues and spurt idiotic sentences instead of having basic knowledge on the incidents. First off we don't seek a new home and life in Serbia and Macedonia. Fck off we are natives to the land and will continue to be natives of the land. Enjoying freedoms eh? Fck off. You sounds like a typical Balkan retard with that crap. Secondly the incident you posted above is the result of scenarios taken in the past few months. I'll give you a quick recap: -Macedonian Handball team shouts anti-Albanian slogans -Kosovars Fans burn Macedonian flag. -Vevcani carnival mocks Islam. -other muslim groups hold protests with some Albanians present. -Police officer kills 2 Albanians -Albanians hold protest and some Macedonian shops were vandalized -15 Albanian students were seriously injured when a group of Macedonians entered the bus with baseball bats -Some revenge beatings on Macedonians were taken place Stop trying to portray Macedonians as sole victims in this incident. I don't condone any of the violence that is happening in the region and there needs to be reconciliation on both sides. But stop cherrypicking incidents and making generalizations on Albanians. When a group of Macedonians enter a bus and beat the sh*t out of old people and young kids is that not discrimination? Fck off dude.
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Post by uz on Mar 11, 2012 15:20:29 GMT -5
You are Albanian, you are not native to anything. You have no right to claim anything from the ancients because you hold nothing in you that is ancient. You got 1000+ years of blank history only village town fables can fill. Answer my question... What minority in Europe enjoys the rights Albanians have in Serbia and Macedonia. If you're not going to answer then it's you who should fuck off.
I dropped and laughed hard at this;
Your implying some superiority here while you're really a nobody with peasent-like views of the world and self. That's what you guys do, you reverse everything to appease your own cause. You are a victim to yourself. You focus on ancient motives while doing nothing for your home country, that's your excuse to "expand" on your idiotic ideology. Maybe that's why you left this place, cause you're easy to read and the non-Albs here can see right through your bullshit.
Your reasoning here is pathetic. You're saying ... two wrongs make a right. In this case you're implying that the Albanians are right in all that they did because ALMOST likewise was happening to them. Have you been to games in North America, hate slogans and burning flags are a common thing. 7 guys jumping an innocent civilian, in this case a 16 year old girl does not excuse shit, those men should be shot.
Of course some Albanians are victims but this doesn't excuse the shit you guys talk about Macedonia. You don't like it? Leave. Where I live people get jumped all the time, and nothing turns into this... a national crisis... Albs are experts in creating national crisis' btw. Or at least cooperate on a diplomatic level to appease both sides. The Albanians are not interested in that, as you say, they see themselves as native therefore... superior to the Slavs. You can go fuck yourself with that thinking I hope the Macs come down hard on your asses for this.
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Post by logicallyalb on Mar 11, 2012 16:57:50 GMT -5
Listen I'm not here to play the chicken and the egg game. Who came first and who didn't, I'll leave that to the e-historians. Albanians have been in the area for a long time and should not be treated as some 2nd class citizen or immigrant. Not only that they make a sizeable portion of the population (around 25%) and should not be treated as some small minority. As for the minority question, there are many federal governments in Europe. Take Switzerland, Belgium or even Bosnia. There's also Canada in North America. I think FYROM should implement a federal system similar to those in the countries I mentioned. BTW Serbs in Kosova receive similar rights. Not so sure about Albanians in Presheva. I believe they have representation in the government and primary school in Albanian. Well I left because this place is an anti-Albanian shit hole, and I have to admit, I do think I am superior to you. Notice I didn't attack Srbobran because I respect him as a poster. You on the other hand......nvm....you get the point. You stated the following: "wtf is this guys, I know this probably has to do with that cop incident last week but seriously, now everyone is quiet?" And I gave you a quick introduction what has been happening in the region. It seems like you are ignorant on the situation because the incident you mentioned is not a reaction to the police incident per se (though on a grander scale it is) but it is a reaction when a group of Slavo Macedonians entered a bus filled with Albanians and injured 15 of them. You are silent about the Albanian students that were beaten up most likely because you had no idea of the incident. I was trying to inform you that is all. Here's a link in English for you: www.top-channel.tv/english/artikull.php?id=5047Do you really expect Albanians to leave their homeland based on these attacks? Seriously this is why I keep telling you to fck off. We are not some immigrant group that settled in the area 10 years ago, we consider ourselves native to the area. That's like me saying if Serbs in Bosnia don't like it then they should go back to Serbia. And we are not creating the national crisis. Albanians are not building ancient statues stealing other group's heroes, Macedonians are (using Albanian tax dollars might I add.) The Macedonian government paid for trip for the hooligans using Albanian tax dollars and these same hooligans chanted things like death to Albanians. The vevcani carnival was financed by the government, again using Albanian tax dollars, disrespecting Islam. Personally I don't give a sh*t about the religion but the fact tax dollars are being used to finance it annoys me. Look Albanians are no angels and the attack on kids should not be condoned. Even though 15 Albanians were injured on the bus, I don't believe in the "eye for an eye" motto. The recent issues in FYROM isn't so black and white like you make it seem and to tell us to just accept the situation or GTFO is ridiculous. If that's the case, then Serbs should GTFO out of Bosnia and go back to Serbia if they don't like being part of Bosnia.
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Post by uz on Mar 11, 2012 17:34:23 GMT -5
You sure fooled me. You're the one posting a list of events in an attempt to "justify" whatever, and I was the one saying 2 wrongs do not make a right. What's wrong with being an immigrant? I think this is where your complex begins. Macedonians are the people of Macedonia, Albanians who have come to live and work there are immigrants. If you got an identity crisis, that's your problem no one elses'. Isn't it every Balkan nations' dream to be classified amongst Belgium, Canada, Switzerland and erm erm.... Bosnia So work cooperatively not agressively. You think that all Balkan countries and her peoples' need to revolve around Albanians. Why? What have the Albanians done for the non-Albs in the Balkans? I am not picking a fight, I am just wondering. You seem to be asking for alot. As for this link; www.top-channel.tv/english/artikull.php?id=5047I called this reasoning pathetic for a reason. As you said in the first sentence of your last post. I quote; "Listen I'm not here to play the chicken and the egg game. Who came first and who didn't, I'll leave that to the e-historians" - So let's leave that to the e-historians. Now don't get me wrong. I obviously condemn these acts, but you're the one trying to justify, reversing the article I posted by making it about Albanians being victimized. That's cute. Welcome back to the "s**t-hole". ;D You're standing on a limp leg.Again with your native-crap. You cannot settle in a foreign country and expect the real-peoples' to bend to your tune. It doesn't work like that. If an American women goes to Saudi and is told to wear a head scarf she better do it, out of respect to the country and the people that are hosting her. The Serbs in Bosnia are set as far as I'm concerned they got their own republic within that circus we call a country. The Alexander statues are not creating a national crisis LOL (and yea I'm against that too, but one thing at a time O.K sport?). And Macedonian tax dollars are going to the Albanians too. It's a two-way street my f**ktarded friend. Attacks against anyone is wrong. As I said, I think the Serbs in Bosnia are happy with the deal they ended up with. You should focus on Albania, and not worry so much about Serbia, Bosnia, Belgium and Switzerland. Lastly; How the hell do you expect Macedonians to want to work cooperatively with you with an attitude and demented outlook on reality like yours? You feel superior over them, in other words, they are inferior to you . Who are you kidding chum...You don't want peace, you want to grab-land to fullfill your erotic fantasy of Dardania LOL and Illyria, and right now is the time to brew tension/heat/chaos. Now if the few Albs that got their heads bashed in ranted off like you do, I can understand the Mac reaction.
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Post by logicallyalb on Mar 11, 2012 18:27:22 GMT -5
I was trying to give you a list of events to educate you because you have no idea what is going on. There's nothing wrong with immigrant nor is their a complex on my part. You are the ones stating Albanians should leave FYROM as if they were some immigrants and new comers. That is the issue. Secondly Macedonia is a country of Slavic Macedonians, Albanians, Turks, Bulgarians, Serbs and so forth. It is far from being a homogeneous country and represents more of a multi-ethnic country. [/quote] WTF kind of reasoning is this? Where have I stated everything revolves around Albanians. Why are Albanians in FYROM held to the standards of minorities in Albanian? The Albanians in FYROM do not elect the politicians in Albania. What happens in Albania is not the result of the Albanians in FYROM. Do you see the fallacy in your line of thinking? But if you want to know about minority rights, the Greeks in Southern Albania have the right to have political representatives and have Greek primary schools. The Bulgarian/Slavic Macedonians also have similar rights. And these groups aren't even 10% of what the Albanians are in FYROM. I'm not trying to victimize anything. There have been many events in the past several months that has fueled the situation in FYROM today. It is not just the shooting of the 2 Albanians though it is a big reason. I'm only stating factual events that have occurred. See this is the chicken and the egg argument I was referring to. Foreign country? Who's foreign here? You mean the FYROMians that claim to be ancient Macedonians though only a small amount of FYROM was part of Ancient Macedonia? You mean Shkup that is the capital of FYROM today but was never part of Ancient Macedonia? Look these arguments become tiresome. We are native to the country as these Slavic Macedonians are. That is my primary point. We have both been living here for hundreds of years. Compare the amount of Albanian projects to Ancient Macedonian ones. That is the issue ad which is why most Albanians are against Skopje 2014. The Albanians in FYROM are being distanced by these policy because the Macedonians are trying to build a new identity at our expense. I don't feel superior to Macedonians only over you. Nor do I think a partition of FYROM is possibly since many areas are mixed. But thanks for playing this game. I don't have a demented outlook on the situation nor do I call for Slavic Macedonians to get out of the country. You are the one that is for ethnic cleansing of Albanians from FRYOM. I think Albanians and Macedonians should live in the same country but I think some kind of federalization needs to take place. Just my opinion. Unfortunately you have no idea what you are talking about so I don't think I will continue this conversation any further.
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Post by logicallyalb on Mar 11, 2012 18:39:08 GMT -5
Oh God, such debats ... Did the Macedonian authorities condemned the death of 2 citizens? NO. Why? Because they were Albanian and the murderer a Macedonian. Period. If I'm not mistaken I think that's what started all this s**t. And by the way, maybe it should be said in the article that 2 people have been killed, I wonder why it's not the case, not worth it? BUT I have to say that reacting like that is dumb, very dumb, and beating a girl is really shamefull, really really shamefull! She could be a female dog that it would be shamefull, let alone a human being! And be several guys to do it ... waw! She must have been really strong... As for the 15 Albanian students, well, the comment below goes for the Macedonian agressors too. But what I like is the fact that all those proud big-dicked Balkanians (Albanians and Macedonians alike) are doing it to a girl, young students etc and ALWAYS hiding themselves... Amazing! Proud people, really! And they sure have something to be proud of! This I agree with. This is all stupid Balkan crap. Even the original police officer incident is typical Balkan crap. Killing people over a parking spot? Then the Macedonian side claiming the killing was drug related even though the story of the police officer was ridiculous? Stupid sh*t to distract the people while the politicians steal some more from the state. Albanians attacking a young female is cowardly. A bunch of masked Macedonians going in the bus to attack students is cowardly. These two groups need to settle down and stop this sh*t. Attacking innocent people will not help the situation.
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Post by uz on Mar 11, 2012 18:49:09 GMT -5
I know what's going on. Stop running in circles in an attempt to drift away from the topic. Wrong. You do have a complex. You have shown to not like the idea of being classified as an immigrant, in other words, you view that idea as something of lower-standards. Stop victimizing yourself. How is it not a homogeneous country? Macedonians are a people, Macedonia is their country. Don't worry, keep praying for Macedonia to one day be like Bosnia.... You have stated this all over, by arguing that Albanians are native to the balkans and that they are superior to "immigrant" Slavs. Proof-reading is key. All you have done is victimize youself, wtf are you talking about? HAHAHA and what happened to your idea of the chicken and the egg? LMAO... NVM, here's your chicken and egg argument. Forget what the Macedonians claim to be. Their arguments about their "ancient" past is just as ridiculous as your arguments about Albania's ancient past. --- Long story short; Both the Macs and Albs have identity issues, they can't seem to closely knit their own origins. ... ohh but wait,,, you threw me a curve ball; WTF?!?!?!?!? I don't agree with it, but you know what? Too bad for me, I am not a Macedonian and this isn't my choice to make. Neither is it yours. I think you envy me. Yes you do. You use the "ancient" native argument to claim Macedonia as yours, the same reasoning used to justify Kosovo. Stop giving yourself false credit. I did not call for ethnic cleansing of Albanians from FRYOM. The ones that moved there obvously were'nt happy back in Albanian, am I right? How come they don't start a ruccus over their, instead of going to a foreign land and start acting like the mafia. lol Nor should you.
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Post by logicallyalb on Mar 11, 2012 19:02:43 GMT -5
There's no point to argue with you. You will argue me to death with straw man argumens and the discussion will go nowhere. I'll leave it at that.
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Post by uz on Mar 11, 2012 19:07:56 GMT -5
straw man arguments? point me to it.
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Post by uz on Mar 11, 2012 20:20:02 GMT -5
Dnevnik: Foreign Secret Services behind Ethnic Violence in Skopje New incident in Skopje, this time four ethnic Albanians attacked three Macedonian minors while walking in the City Park.
Two of the kids were badly hurt by metal pipes and were admitted at the State hospital before midnight. - According to local daily Dnevnik, the Albanians are purposely creating ethnic tensions, manufacturing a crisis, as if to portray their never ending 'plight' everywhere in the Balkans thus the need for them to live in one country, "Great Albania" which according to sources ought take shape in 2013 when first Kosovo would joing with Tirana and parts of Montenegro, Macedonia and Greece to follow suit later. This will undoubtedly engulf the region in a war.- Macedonian analysts have warned the Government to be more in tune with what is going on around the Balkans adding none of this is 'accidental', rather it appears coordinated with Prishtina and Tirana. " There is a reason for those english speaking protest banners" says Dnevnik in its article. . macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/20540/2...
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Post by Shqipni13 on Mar 12, 2012 2:17:37 GMT -5
^I smell bullshit. Prishtina nor Tirana want this shit to continue. Just because they are in the same region as Belgrade doesn't mean they have the same policies.
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