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Post by rex362 on Aug 16, 2012 11:06:56 GMT -5
Macedonian president wants defense minister investigated for tribute to ethnic Albanian rebels SKOPJE, Macedonia - Macedonia's President Gjorge Ivanov said Wednesday he wants the defence minister investigated for "abuse of office" for paying tribute to ethnic Albanian rebels killed during the country's brief but intense 2001 ethnic conflict. The development underlines the ethnic tensions that still persist in Macedonia, a former Yugoslav republic that was riven a six-month ethnic conflict in 2001. Defence Minister Fatmir Besimi, a member of the ethnic Albanian Democratic Union for Integration party, a junior partner in the government, paid tribute to ethnic Albanian rebels in a ceremony he organized Monday. Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski's ruling VMRO-DPMNE party and the Chief of Army Staff also distanced themselves from Besimi's event, which some fear could fuel ethnic tensions in the tiny Balkan state. Meanwhile, a group of Macedonian veterans who fought in the 2001 ethnic conflict also called for the minister's immediate resignation Wednesday, labeling his presence at the ceremony "a provocation." "The event violated the dignity of the Macedonian defenders, distorting the inter-ethnic relations in the country and creating conditions for their escalation," the veterans' association said in a statement. Tensions are still a feature of live between the ethnic Albanian minority — about a quarter of Macedonia's population of 2.1 million — and the Macedonian majority. Ethnic Albanians started the rebellion in 2001 demanding equal rights for their community, including quotas in the police, army, and other state institutions and the use of Albanian as a second official language in some areas. About 80 people died in the conflict before it ended with a peace treaty that met some of their demands. The ceremony took place in the northern village of Slupcane, about 40 kilometres (25 miles) north of the capital, Skopje, on the 11th anniversary of the peace accord. The office of the Macedonian president said in a statement that President Ivanov, who also serves as Supreme commander, "requires from all parties involved not to abuse the Army and use the army uniform for political or any other purposes." Besimi explained his move as bid for "reconciliation."
"Building trust is based on mutual respect. I sincerely regret that this commitment to reconciliation ... was not fully understood," he told reporters Wednesday.
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Post by rex362 on Aug 16, 2012 11:09:31 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Aug 16, 2012 11:24:17 GMT -5
this was done in the open and planned for and it simply shows how stubborn and full of inat our neighbors are and reconciliation is not in their vocabulary
----------------------------------------------------- Chento you sllutt ....I read your comments on your exclusive fyrom forum of truth you and a few of your cronies should be ashamed of your comments
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Post by uz on Aug 16, 2012 11:40:22 GMT -5
Why should reconciliation be in their vocab, when it's you whose visiting their country? When are you going to reconcile with the fact that you live in Slavic lands.
That Minister should get lynched.
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Post by rex362 on Aug 16, 2012 11:58:50 GMT -5
typical srp comment ....^
Kadija for you
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Post by leprofesional on Aug 16, 2012 12:29:34 GMT -5
without albs no mac identity...
they need just like greeks to be us albs thankfull...
some know this most cannot accept this...
and main reason is serbian montenegrian propaganda and money trown in machedonia
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Post by uz on Aug 16, 2012 12:30:44 GMT -5
They should burn that bitchazz monument down when the Macs finally unite courageously against these Western Imperialist proxies. Everything they built on our land from 1999 onward should get burnt to the ground.
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Post by rex362 on Aug 16, 2012 13:53:57 GMT -5
burn their fake monuments first ....
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Post by ljubotan on Aug 16, 2012 14:14:47 GMT -5
Being that he is ethnic Albanian, then it shouldn't be a big deal. All Albanians were united under UCK, so why would anyone be surprised? If anyone should be lynched, it should be the govt who put him in that position in the first place.
Reconcilation should be a priority between both groups in MK. No one is cleansing anyone out of their villages, so therefore, they've got to get along period. For the most part, from what I've heard most do anyways.
We cannot ignore the fact that there's roughly 700k Albanians in Macedonia, and they're not going anywhere. Many of them have roots there since Tzar Dusan, many came during communist times from Albanian and Serbia's southern province (KiM) and of course they had a HUGE birthrate explosion post WWII up until about 10yrs ago.
MK needs to get rid of those stupid Greek statues, change its name to Paeonija and get into that stupid EU....then there will be peace. I'm just being a realist. The Serbian King had a chance to send ALL Albanians to Turkey 100yrs ago, but he was stingy and didn't want to pay for their housing set up there. The deal was then axed! Let's blame all those stupid fkn Serbians in Beograd who allowed a Croat leader Tito to fk Serbia through those internal banovina borders and allowing there to be provinces in the south and north!! Serbs are their own worst enemy. Until there is true unity everything will always continue to fall short and backstabbed! Dodik is a true leader and Albanians know who to stay united regardless of religion and dialects (Gheg/Tosk). Serbs will outcast you if you use the wrong form of a 'case' in a sentence.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Aug 16, 2012 15:14:33 GMT -5
^And all Albanians would have just picked up and left? To Uz....We're visiting? I guess someone had to take over the ass clown title in pyrros' absence.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Aug 16, 2012 15:17:14 GMT -5
without albs no mac identity... they need just like greeks to be us albs thankfull... some know this most cannot accept this... and main reason is serbian montenegrian propaganda and money trown in machedonia If all diaspora Albanians stop visiting for two years, Macedonia crumbles. We keep the enemy alive.
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Post by masteralbanianknow on Aug 16, 2012 15:20:45 GMT -5
Being that he is ethnic Albanian, then it shouldn't be a big deal. All Albanians were united under UCK, so why would anyone be surprised? If anyone should be lynched, it should be the govt who put him in that position in the first place. Reconcilation should be a priority between both groups in MK. No one is cleansing anyone out of their villages, so therefore, they've got to get along period. For the most part, from what I've heard most do anyways. We cannot ignore the fact that there's roughly 700k Albanians in Macedonia, and they're not going anywhere. Many of them have roots there since Tzar Dusan, many came during communist times from Albanian and Serbia's southern province (KiM) and of course they had a HUGE birthrate explosion post WWII up until about 10yrs ago. MK needs to get rid of those stupid Greek statues, change its name to Paeonija and get into that stupid EU....then there will be peace. I'm just being a realist. The Serbian King had a chance to send ALL Albanians to Turkey 100yrs ago, but he was stingy and didn't want to pay for their housing set up there. The deal was then axed! Let's blame all those stupid fkn Serbians in Beograd who allowed a Croat leader Tito to fk Serbia through those internal banovina borders and allowing there to be provinces in the south and north!! Serbs are their own worst enemy. Until there is true unity everything will always continue to fall short and backstabbed! Dodik is a true leader and Albanians know who to stay united regardless of religion and dialects (Gheg/Tosk). Serbs will outcast you if you use the wrong form of a 'case' in a sentence. That reads like your saying that Albanians are newcomers in Macedonia. There is one thing you non-Albanians of the Balkons need to know ,and that is that the Balkons is a small area and that we Albanians are the oldest people of that land and moving from here to there for us is like moving down the block .And then again we are simply moving still upon our own lands .But you don't mention 50% of the Slavic population in Macedonia that is recently arrived from the today's Greece who pretend they have been there forever .
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Post by ljubotan on Aug 16, 2012 15:23:32 GMT -5
Stop calling us enemies!!! We're not raping your women or killing family clans and children. We gave your neighbor brothers bread when they decided to leave on THEIR OWN during the '99 conflict.
that's bs...no 50% of slavs in mk are from greece. most of those went to austrialia and pirin area of bulgaria. some went to mk and serbia's vojvodina, but that's it.
most of us are illyrian/thracia in origin, so we're not newcomers either. so by your thought process you think if you just picked up and moved to Trebinje (Republika Srpska), you have claim because that was illyrian way back when?
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Post by masteralbanianknow on Aug 16, 2012 15:32:48 GMT -5
I am referring to more recent history maybe 2 centuries .
You mention recollections of Illyrian , do you think Slavs have recollections of Carpathian range ? I doubt it besides everyone want to be Illyrian nowadays just so they can be of the land .
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Post by ljubotan on Aug 16, 2012 17:22:01 GMT -5
I don't know if its that as much as people having learned a lot about balkan history, that's made them realize they're roots have always been there.
Bosnians and Croats have like 30/40% of illyria genes in them. Makes sense to me, because many folks from Bosnia I've met in the states look very very close to Montenegrins and Albanians from Mont & Kos.
I think 50yrs from now when the economy there is better and people have a future they'll stop fighting about farm land that nobody harvests anymore.
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Post by rex362 on Aug 16, 2012 18:17:02 GMT -5
The ceremony was part of the events marking 11 years since the signing of the Ohrid Peace Accord, which ended the 2001 conflict by extending greater rights to the Albanian minority.
“The President urges all institutions to refrain from misusing the army for political or party objectives,” Gjorge Ivanov said in a press release adding that “Institutional regulations and procedures were not followed” in this case.
The event caught by surprise the government, the Army General Staff and the main ruling VMRO DPMNE party. They have all condemned the move and denied any involvement, saying the Defence Minister acted alone.
The Army has said that the uniformed men seen at the ceremony were not part of the Army but were merely employees of the Defence Ministry.
The opposition Social Democrats have also criticized the move, asking whether the head of state, who has overall command of the armed forces, approved it.
Paying respect to war memorials built by the Albanian community remains highly controversial among the Macedonian majority.
But the Defence Minister in question, a member of the Democratic Union for Integration, DUI, a party in government, has not backed down.
"I sincerely regret that the act has not been perceived as one of reconciliation in the spirit of the Ohrid Framework Agreement, which is an integral part of the constitution," Besimi said on Wednesday after an informal meeting with the army chiefs.
He said he did not need the President's consent for his move, arguing that the Framework Accord clearly implies the right to equally respect all victims of the conflict.
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Post by valmir on Aug 16, 2012 21:10:02 GMT -5
ljubotan, what are the chances for gruevski to win the coming elections,do the macedonians still support him?
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Post by ljubotan on Aug 16, 2012 23:24:04 GMT -5
I really dont know. My family doesnt pay attention to theyre politics, so i cant say first hand. I personally believe that greek looking midget is going to win. Hes playing hardball wth the greeks and hes made skopje look very nationalitic wth those greek statues.
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Post by Skroz on Aug 17, 2012 0:25:03 GMT -5
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Post by leprofesional on Aug 17, 2012 0:33:28 GMT -5
without albs no mac identity... they need just like greeks to be us albs thankfull... some know this most cannot accept this... and main reason is serbian montenegrian propaganda and money trown in machedonia If all diaspora Albanians stop visiting for two years, Macedonia crumbles. We keep the enemy alive. haha imagine we only stop use airoport it would becoume a country without airoport hahah... i mean for real how many so called macs go to machedonia? or tourist? or serbs?
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