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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Oct 5, 2012 17:41:13 GMT -5
I fail to see any extremes in what i wrote.
1) I though I was describing the situation in Balkans or various parts of Balkans to be precise.
2) I though I was stating the end result after all these conflicts which is balkanian neo-colonial status.
Unless Serbs will align themselves with Russia (which if it is to happen it must be gradual since it would be happening under a watchful western eye) in the future they will be dealing with all the other centers which are openly antagonistic towards them such as the ones I mentioned before. Russia albeit a great power can only do so much and many Serbs (Tadic for one) are practically openly taking western stand. Some are even trying to sidestep now "Juzni Tok" (South Stream) in favor of western alternative.
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Post by rex362 on Oct 5, 2012 17:52:45 GMT -5
yugoslav lands ? and Albanians are from where ? Do you mean Shqiptars? They're from Caucasia. Brought over by the Ottomans in the 16th century, remember? Think of them as uninvited guests who won't leave. 16th century ......? you serbs were writing about our braveries in the 1300's Paleeeez Niggga ! -thread derailment ahead- |
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Post by uz on Oct 5, 2012 17:57:34 GMT -5
I fail to see any extremes in what i wrote. 1) I though I was describing the situation in Balkans or various parts of Balkans to be precise. 2) I though I was stating the end result after all these conflicts which is balkanian neo-colonial status. Unless Serbs will align themselves with Russia (which if it is to happen it must be gradual since it would be happening under a watchful western eye) in the future they will be dealing with all the other centers which are openly antagonistic towards them such as the ones I mentioned before. Russia albeit a great power can only do so much and many Serbs (Tadic for one) are practically openly taking western stand. Some are even trying to sidestep now "Juzni Tok" (South Stream) in favor of western alternative. I don't think Serbia should be the nation to ONCE AGAIN seek unity with our neighbours. To hell with it.... look what it got us really. If Serbia grows econimically, industrially, and militarily our neighbours will simply come to us. Serbs need to focus on Serbs/Serbia... then once the foundation is stable enough, seek out and correct past mistakes. |
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Post by rex362 on Oct 5, 2012 18:08:37 GMT -5
uz it got you there bcs you dont know how to share ....you want it all and get nowhere
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Post by uz on Oct 5, 2012 18:31:20 GMT -5
uz it got you there bcs you dont know how to share ....you want it all and get nowhere so you're bitching about Yugoslavia again... go to Tito's grave and bitch there. |
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Post by rex362 on Oct 5, 2012 18:35:05 GMT -5
ahahahahahahhah no man ....your craving for the serbian version of SFRJ
but then again what would you actually know of it ...you weren't even born then
btw.... at Marshal Titos's grave I would lay flowers ....he kept it going.... serbia ruined a good thing
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Post by uz on Oct 5, 2012 18:37:56 GMT -5
there's your hopping again....
you love Yugo for the good things (ignoring the Serb factor) and hate Yugo for the bad things (blaming only the Serbs).
honestly..... your thinking is f**ked.
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Post by rex362 on Oct 5, 2012 18:53:12 GMT -5
what serb factor ?
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Post by uz on Oct 5, 2012 18:58:02 GMT -5
you're gettin worse at this rex  so ya, Serbs/Serbia was NO-factor at all during Yugoslavia... so why bitchin about Serbs.... |
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Post by rex362 on Oct 6, 2012 9:32:30 GMT -5
oh it was a factor ...a negative factor I don't know why you have this assumption that serbs keep the earth rotating on its axis ....  |
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Post by Novus Dis on Oct 6, 2012 10:33:08 GMT -5
Go away, Rex. Nobody wants you here or anywhere else.
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Post by rex362 on Oct 6, 2012 11:39:40 GMT -5
"Death to the Shqiptar colonizers. "
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Post by srbobran on Oct 6, 2012 12:25:56 GMT -5
I have suggested, on past occasions, that Serbia should look to Israel as a model for solving some of our problems. You still have yet to properly address a single point I made. All you ever do is regurgitate the same peasant ideals any of the older generations do. Ideals that are nothing but self-destructive and quite frankly retarded.
No they're not. Croats were always mentioned as a closely related, but separate tribe from the Serbs. As for Bosniaks, they certainly were Serbs in the past, put they aren't anymore. The aforementioned begs the question "Why the hell would I want to repatriate former Serbs if they don't WANT to be Serbs?". What good would it do if every Bosniaks on the planet began calling themselves Serbs? None whatsoever. We would still be the same, irrelevant fucking colony that we are, no economy, no leadership, no future. You guys are completely missing the point on what's actually important in terms of creating a better future for Serbs.
The only thing holding Serbs back is our mentality.
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Post by uz on Oct 6, 2012 12:34:25 GMT -5
What exactly is this model you're talking about? The only model Israel has is money. Notice how Israelis or Jews don't do charities UNLESS it's for Israel/jews only. Christians do charities all over the place and much of it is targeted to non-Christians. Christians do not have a single target, it's like the shot-gun effect, going all over the place. Serbs cannot be like the Jews/Israelis cause our root motivations are different. The USA Government is full of them (Obamas economic advisers are all Israelis), the British Parliament is full of them, and ya even the German Governement is full of them. It's no wonder how/why they got all this support. You may envy this, but this road to "success" isn't for us. |
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Post by Novus Dis on Oct 6, 2012 17:35:16 GMT -5
I have suggested, on past occasions, that Serbia should look to Israel as a model for solving some of our problems. You still have yet to properly address a single point I made. All you ever do is regurgitate the same peasant ideals any of the older generations do. Ideals that are nothing but self-destructive and quite frankly retarded. You're completely ignorant. Of myself. Of what I believe. Of Israel. Of everything. |
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Post by srbobran on Oct 6, 2012 20:15:46 GMT -5
What model? Jews are the most successful people on the planet, they are far superior to us in every single way imaginable. We should try to emulate their success, that's the model.
What the hell is wrong for Jews doing charities for only Jews? They're looking for their own. Why help another unless it serves your interest?
And they didn't "get" all of this support, they earned it. The Jews in the US, British, and German parliaments you spoke of didn't elect themselves, they got there through their own merits and that's commendable. What's even more commendable is the fact that they use they're positions in foreign governments to help they're homeland.
You also mentioned motivations? What exactly are "Serbian motivations?" All I f**king see from Serbs is crying about how the Ottomans did this, the West did that, but absolutely no reasonable solution or resolve to better our situation. We don't have any f**king motivations, we just cling onto irrelevant history and obsolete ideals, as if they're even applicable to the present day.
Maybe if you were better at articulating yourself I would gain a better understanding. Enlighten me, f*ggot.
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Post by uz on Oct 6, 2012 20:25:35 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with it, I was only making a point that it really comes down to money/funding - this is their drive (which everyone else sucks at). Serbs are different in this sense.
I didn't say they "just got" all that support. You think Serbs are capable of infiltrating USA, British and other EU governments? First off, we're totally marked we all better change our last names if we're thinking of doing that....
Not sure what Serbs you're talking about. In this forum sure, we all bitch all sides do. In reality I've never heard Serbs still complain about Ottomans (every muslim is a turk to a Serb that's as far as that goes). And they're negative points about the West are completely justifiable, you know this. I do agree however we need to move on. So what's our motivation? To be sovereign. Not to depend on anybody. We're not united at all and this is our problem. What's an Israeli's motivation (keeping in mind their very tight connection as a unit)? To be in control of USA's foreign policy towards Israel (by getting in government - or massive funding), so Israel can continue to exist.
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Post by terroreign on Oct 7, 2012 5:26:15 GMT -5
I have suggested, on past occasions, that Serbia should look to Israel as a model for solving some of our problems. You still have yet to properly address a single point I made. All you ever do is regurgitate the same peasant ideals any of the older generations do. Ideals that are nothing but self-destructive and quite frankly retarded. No they're not. Croats were always mentioned as a closely related, but separate tribe from the Serbs. As for Bosniaks, they certainly were Serbs in the past, put they aren't anymore. The aforementioned begs the question "Why the hell would I want to repatriate former Serbs if they don't WANT to be Serbs?". What good would it do if every Bosniaks on the planet began calling themselves Serbs? None whatsoever. We would still be the same, irrelevant f**king colony that we are, no economy, no leadership, no future. You guys are completely missing the point on what's actually important in terms of creating a better future for Serbs. The only thing holding Serbs back is our mentality. Israel is anti-Muslim, Serbs are anti-Muslim. Both Serbs and Israel are surrounded by enemies, and both were stateless second class citizens until the 20th century. I think we have much more in common with Israel than with Arabs and even Russia. They, like us, were the Underdogs. Also their media publicity is stronger than any country in the region, this is something we are in dire need of; good publicity. We must play the political game and Israel is our model and ticket. Croats pre-17th century were substantially different than the ones today. The real Croats fleed to Italy and Burgenland Austria during Turkish raids leaving the interior empty and desolate. Serbs were invited into the area to defend the borderlands of the Austro Empire. Almost 50% of these Serbs due to social pressures and discrimination became catholics over time and by 1900 Austro-Hungarian empire inspired a new Croatian movement, leading to the catholic serbs being classified as Croats. Evidence of this is also in the language, the original, real Croats spoke Cakavski, however after the Serb migrations into Croatia Stokavski predominated. The original Croats were closely related, but separate, the neo-Croats today are not related, but the same as Serbs. It's not about repatriation, it's about not validating their identity. Not giving it legitimacy. Their repatriation and assimilation is just a side-product of being fake peoples. Emir Kusturica, Lepa brena, Mesa Selimovic, Ivo Andric, Jusuf Bulic, Franky Simatovic, all famous "Bosniaks" and "Croats" who repatriated into Serbdom, and are arguably some of the biggest Serbs out there today. You're missing the point that economic and political problems in the Balkans primarily stem from identity issues. Our economy is affected because identity issues sparked the wars that damaged it, because these identity issues created banana states which thrive on corruption and basically fraud. And unity problems stem from having examples of excused betrayal in our midst. If we give Croats legitimacy as an ethnic group, what are the other Serbs living in isolated regions to think. If they receive a power-hungry mayor, he can quickly convince them that they are seperate from the Serbs too and that their dialect is in fact a seperate slavic language, like Croatian, and they have their own history separate from Serbia's. And there you have it, Republic of Sumadia, Republic of Uzice, Republic of Nis, and so on. Their brainwashing evidence to being seperate although speaking the same language will primarily be "look at Croatia". That in fact is the reasoning for most Montenegrin nationalists. So again, no benefit to Serbia and Serbs' future to indulge Croats and Bosniaks in their identities, in doing so we are just sowing the seeds to create more of these renegade sub-groups. Must nip it in the bud. When in the company of Croats or Muslims, never refer to their language as hrvatski or bosanski, but as srpski or naski. Never refer to Bosniaks as Bosniaks, but as Muslims or muslim serbs. And Croats as Zagrepcani or Dalmatians, or Catholics. Simple as that, no political discussion is needed, they will know where you stand and they can deal with it. |
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Post by Novus Dis on Oct 7, 2012 10:10:51 GMT -5
TerroReign: There's only one way to remove an idea from somebody's head. I mentioned it earlier concerning today's traitors. I mean it's all well and good to discuss ignoring people's tribal affiliations but ignoring "reality on the ground" (to borrow an American term) would be disastrous for Serbdom, as it was in the last war when Serbs ignored how extremist men like Izetbegovic and Tudjman were. In order to defeat one's enemies, you must understand one's enemies. In order to understand one's enemies, you must indulge their mindset for a time. Maybe if you were better at articulating yourself I would gain a better understanding. Enlighten me, f*ggot. Well now I don't want to. TBH, it'd take a lot of energy and time to educate you. Something I'm not willing to invest. |
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