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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Nov 18, 2012 10:10:29 GMT -5
In the first census there, in the XVIIIth or XIXth century, Romanians were 40%. Now, I don't think they are 10%. But more importantly the Hungarians are not indigenous not there , nor in Hungary. They are the result of invasion and colonization.
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Post by amateurs on Nov 18, 2012 10:16:30 GMT -5
I agree with the Mongol - the Szekely should receive independence. But first they must fight for it.
I wish them the best of luck. One can only hope that Hungary will attempt to help them.
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Post by amateurs on Nov 19, 2012 4:54:54 GMT -5
All the rights.... yeah, right. You're so dumb, dude. I suppose that if we find an indigenous Romanian village somewhere in Bulgaria, that village ought to receive independence.
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Post by amateurs on Nov 19, 2012 11:06:54 GMT -5
Technically yes you moron. Vatican is independent and it's smaller than any village. But we're talking about 300 villages making up a compact area of indigenous Hungarians with a few enclave Romanian villages among them. You god damn retard! Vatican has nothing to do with a separate ethnicity, so the analogy fails so badly it's amazing you are able to get up off the bed!
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Post by amateurs on Nov 19, 2012 14:13:20 GMT -5
Freak, you are saying that Szekely Land should receive independence based on the argument that they are indigenous. That argument is linked to ethnicity, not to an enclave being able to exist as an independent state. Neither the Vatican, nor San Marino, have ethnicities that differ from the Italian one. Their statehood existence is justified by special historical circumstances that have nothing to do with being a separate ethnicity, or having voted for independence, and it's also irrelevant that they are enclaves. Their status can also be compared to Monte Carlo, a principality that is not an enclave; or, it can be compared to Luxembourg and Principality of Andorra. All of these micro states have an unique historical background that goes back centuries, and which cannot be found in the Balkans. So trying to make a parallel between Szekely Land on one hand, and attributing the argument of indigenously, while mentioning the Vatican and San Marino on the other, just falls flat!
It's the typical Criztu idiotic argument that I so well remember! What's your diagnosis, anyway?
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Post by wbb on Nov 20, 2012 0:40:28 GMT -5
Thats bs, the Romans were the one that were invading and colonizing other people's land. Hungarians werent colonizing anything but settling there in a sparsly populated lands. Like what Knezlazar said was right, hungarians are indigenous to szekelyfold, thats is one of the reason why romanians tried to ethnically cleanse them out from there because the truths hits them hard. You guys were just a bunch of stupid wanna-latin speaking, bulgarians, hungarians, cumans, khazars, tatar turks who wasnt proud of their turkic Hunnic identity, so you guys adopted the latin language and started to identify yourselves as Romans, Vlachs, Romanians but really you guys arent really romans at all.
Let me tell you straight out arsehole, first of all we are not Mongols, nor the asiatic looking turkic people were even mongols. Hey the slavs and the goths originated from the same place in asia where turkic people lived, so are they slavs and goths are mongols too? Instead of making a mockery out of us, start investigating your own blood, because even your blood may have Turkic genetic in it and no roman traces at all, you latin-speaking turks. Romanians are exactly the same with the Hazara of Afghanistan, the hazara werent persians at all but turkic, since then they adopted the persian language and call themselves persian, same goes with the romanians, they adopted the stupid latin language, the worst language in the world, when they were turks. If Hungary decided to ban the latin language, romanians wouldnt be speaking latin nor even identify themselves as romans. They would be Hungarians, Bulgarians, Cumans, and blah blah blah turks.
Same goes with Moldova and Aromanians, latin wannabe retard. Szekelyland is the Hungarian version of Gaza.
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Post by amateurs on Nov 20, 2012 4:53:03 GMT -5
Lolz. We didn't adopt the Latin language from the Hungarians. Other ways, good one.
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Post by amateurs on Nov 20, 2012 7:08:36 GMT -5
Yeah, sure, I'm the one being too stupid. That will do it.
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Post by wbb on Nov 21, 2012 5:22:41 GMT -5
bs, if the romanians hasnt adopted latin from the hungarians, then who they adopted from, the santa clause? Before the Magyarization, the official language of Hungarian kingdom was latin, many hungarians were fluent latin speakers cause of roman catholicism. Hungarians used to own all Wallachia, but its wasnt called wallachia back then, it was Cumania, there the Cumans, and other Turkic people adopted the latin language as the language of Catholicism and Orthodoxism, otherwise they would be speaking slavic thats for bloody sure. The same how Bulgars adopted the slavic language. It was Hungary who promoted the latin language, not the stupid romans, nor dacians, nor tititata greeks.
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Post by wbb on Nov 21, 2012 7:36:52 GMT -5
Here you go, Romanians check this out. You guys will love it. ;D
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Post by amateurs on Nov 21, 2012 9:09:29 GMT -5
Idiot, Romanian developed from Eastern Romance, not from Latin that was spoken in Hungary. Different dialects of Eastern Romance can be found in Greece, Croatia, Albania and so on. None of these languages developed from the Latin that only the elite spoke in Hungary! That would mean that Romanians were Hungarian elite that turned shepherds overnight and started speaking a broken Latin.
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Post by wbb on Nov 22, 2012 1:16:43 GMT -5
Rubbish, romanian developed from Latin that was spoken in Hungary. Its already proven that Vlach language of Greece and other balkans states, is quite different to that of romanian or so-called daco-romanian as you call it. Different dialect? So is Italian, Spanish, Portuguese is a different Romance dialect of Romanian as well? No its a different Romance language, get your facts right!!! The Romanians were Hungarian elite, they served as border guards in Muntenian border, from any invasion from neighbouring countries. Its correct the romanians turned csoban overnight and started speaking broken latin. You know how many hungarians had turned to into csoban overnight, even today many hungarians turned into csoban because living in a city is too expensive for them. The Vlachs were Turkic tribe living around Bashkiria todays Bashkortostan, known as "Bulaq", Ulac or Illac. The fact is Vlach people in reality were Huns, coming from Bulaq tribe. Romanians are Turkic, not Romans, nor Dacians nor Thracian. books.google.com.au/books?The language of Pascatir is the same as that of the Hungarians, and they are shepherds without any towns whatever, and on the west this country confines on Greater Bulgaria. And beside Pascatir are the Illac, which is the same word as Blac, but the Tartars do not know how to pronounce (the letter) B, and from them come those who are in the land of Assan. www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Pascatir
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Post by kun on Nov 22, 2012 9:34:10 GMT -5
No one is indigenous to Europe, perhaps the neanderthal. But modern man did come from Asia, so as far as Europe is concerned everyone came from somewhere else. Whether the Szeklers came in the 5th century or later is a matter of conjecture, so its a mute point. One thing is certain though, they were there long before any vlachs showed their grimey faces in the region, so they have every right to statehood. Romania fears autonomy because its a stepping stone to independence which violates the integrity of their own state which was conceived by treacherous manipulation, lies and secret treaties. There are a number of precedents, Catalonia, Sudtirol and even Gagauzia.
Modern Romanian is the direct result of borrowing thousands of loan words from mostly French and some from Italian in the 1860s when they re-latinized their language. Before this process they spoke and wrote just like their mavrovlach brothers in the Balkans.
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Post by wbb on Nov 24, 2012 5:18:28 GMT -5
By what logic you mean that no one is indigenous to europe? What about the albanians and the greeks or the basque?
I dont know anything about sudtirol issue but Gagauzia already did proclaimed independence during the Moldovan civil war in the 90s, but then vlach had to accept the autonomy of gagauzia just to make sure that the gagauz turks abandoned their independence idea. Surely the vlach has no other option to this, either autonomy or independence. Moldova cant even annex gagauzia. So the good news is that gagauzia is under our turks relative's hand, and of course back by Turkey. Turkey is contributing their infrastructure, and many other things.
Catalonians are already favouring independence from spain, there's a big chance for them to succeed, due to the spanish economic crises. Only time will tell.
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Post by amateurs on Nov 24, 2012 8:55:13 GMT -5
"Different dialect? So is Italian, Spanish, Portuguese is a different Romance dialect of Romanian as well? No its a different Romance language, get your facts right!!!" I said different dialects of Eastern Romance. You idiot, you're just here to troll; and only if was an intellectual instigation, but it's not. It's infantilism. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/IndoEuropeanTree.svg
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Post by wbb on Nov 24, 2012 11:56:33 GMT -5
Aromanian is not a different dialect of Romanian, its a different romance language, same goes with Balkan vlach language. Vlach arent even romanian but vlach, different ethnic group. You just speak silly here. Many vlach in greece and other balkan state doesnt even give a rat about romania. I got vlach origin from my greek grandfather's side, how come i hate romania so much and chit on it? It's simple because im not romanian, a vlach doesnt make someone a romanian, get to your reality. Even in Hungary, where there's many vlach living there, hates Romania. Romanian army did even looted alot of vlach homes when they invaded hungary in 1919. They were even killed by the romanians for being loyal to Hungary, these are your vlach brothers you speak of with no sense. Many Hungarian with Vlach origin even support for the restoration of greater Hungary. So i clearly dont understand you at all what you mean by vlach/aromanian being a different dialect of romanian when really its a different language. About the language family tree, i dont care at all, its based on stupid Darwinism. Its clearly shows how sick you are following this stupid pseudo-science.
Oh wow infantilism, perhap you have no idea what's the word infantilism really means, especially when your mentality is simply based on that. The biggest troll here is you and your fascist romanian friends, except for Diurpaneus trolling here with all this, fascist romanian garbage. If its wasnt for your good american friend to back you up, Hungary would still keep transylvania how it is for last 1000 years.
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Post by amateurs on Nov 26, 2012 11:21:06 GMT -5
I repeat: I didn't say Aromanian was a dialect of Romanian, but of Eastern Romance. Poor retard ... can't even read.
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Post by wbb on Nov 27, 2012 7:23:38 GMT -5
You just said before that Romanian was developed out of Eastern Romance language, so that means claim that Aromanian/Vlach language is a dialect of romanian because Vlach is an Eastern Romance language itself, so what's the different you making here? Romanian is not of Eastern Romance language, its of Latin that was spoken in Hungary simple, nothing else.
Oh yes i can read alright but tell me, is "retard" and "idiot" the only word you know, nothing else? Do you know any other words apart from retard and idiot, Mr Idiot-Retard addict? Here's the list so far in this thread with all the collections of "retard" and "idiot" words used by the very best of Amateurs. ;D
Posted by Amateurs to Knezlazar.
Posted by Amateurs to Knezlazar.
Posted by Amateurs to WBB.
Posted by Amateurs to WBB
Posted by Amateurs to WBB
loooool, congratulations on your world record breaking of professing and mastering the word of Idiot and Retard!!! ;D What can a vlach gypsy know? lmao ;D
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Post by wbb on Nov 27, 2012 7:31:05 GMT -5
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Nov 27, 2012 7:34:40 GMT -5
I wonder why he calls you a retard. You don't deserve that.
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