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Post by Kanaris on Feb 21, 2013 20:18:12 GMT -5
Face it was a time you wanted to forget... then Greece opened it's doors and Albanians found jobs... working hard and then some.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 21, 2013 20:22:11 GMT -5
greece didnt open sh!T ........we walked in like its ours .....like it is anyways
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Post by dukeduka on Feb 21, 2013 20:28:15 GMT -5
who do you think armed the Kosovars ...greece ?? Again, that only served into provoking the Serbs, leading to international condemnation and the rest is history. This is no big deal, though. I mean, if Albanian thugs arms Yemen rebells, why not arm Kosovare rebells that are just across the border? My point being is that Albania didn't make a stand against Serbia, it couldn't. Albania was, and still is, irrelevant when it comes to military. You did not walk the walk, but you continue to talk the talk. Man, I love that line, gonna use it some more. i am pretty sure the same thing happened in 1949 in the South border. And i am 100 % confident the same thing is going to happen again.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 21, 2013 20:45:27 GMT -5
Take in refugees? You mean taking in their own people? Sweden probably took in more Kosovares than Albania did. Yeah, sure, Albania worked behind the scenes, in the shadows, and you're holding confidential information about that that you can't share on a public forum. I understand perfectly well. It's just that Albania has been independent for quite some time now and when it came to walk the walk, Albania did nothing. Albania didn't defend its own people, did it? I get it, Kosovares were lightly armed while Serbia had some old tanks and artillery pieces, thus the need for NATO to bomb. But where was Albania? Where was the Albanian military, the Albanian fighters, the Albanian tanks? The only thing we've seen from you is a bad attitude. Is that supposed to compensate for the rest? who do you think armed the Kosovars ...greece ?? The "kosovars" were armed for a long time, hence already being labelled by that time as a terrorist organization. Albania did nothing to arm the kla, in fact they had nothing to do with anything during that war. The only contribution Albania made towards that "cause" was lending you space for training - that's it - and a few of those ended up getting bombed too, by NATO 3 times (by accident) and by the Serbs.
That war was Serbs versus NATO, the alb element was just ruckus in between.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 21, 2013 21:02:06 GMT -5
ahhaahahaahahahahahahhaah serbs versus nato ....
if you only knew the amount of arms that came out of Albania ....
btw .....the KLA were buying arms from serbs themselves and indirectly from greece ...money talks
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Post by amateurs on Feb 22, 2013 4:30:02 GMT -5
ahhaahahaahahahahahahhaah serbs versus nato .... if you only knew the amount of arms that came out of Albania .... btw .....the KLA were buying arms from serbs themselves and indirectly from greece ...money talks The war was between Serbia and NATO, no need to laugh it off. You don't actually believe that the skinny Kosovares could've challenged the Serbs for supremacy over Kosovo, do you? They could only provoke and force a reaction from NATO. For that, they needed some guns, which they mostly got from Albania. Left on your own and you'll shyt your pants.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 22, 2013 9:59:37 GMT -5
what war ......serb vs nato wtf you people talking about it was a slap down NATO ON serbia .....
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 23, 2013 17:57:56 GMT -5
what war ......serb vs nato wtf you people talking about it was a slap down NATO ON serbia ..... The albanian rebels got handled with siftly like a broom through dust. NATO went to it's ultimate measure to stop the Serbs - and the Serbs STILL pushed and STILL resisted. To this day ! No other nation handled that bombardment like the Serbs did - FACT < -
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Post by rex362 on Feb 23, 2013 20:11:04 GMT -5
new stuff for your next round of epic poems for the futur of serbdom ..... btw didnt they leak out info of targets ahead of time .... and another btw ....seriously ......how many civilian deaths by Nato
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Post by amateurs on Feb 24, 2013 7:59:46 GMT -5
what war ......serb vs nato wtf you people talking about it was a slap down NATO ON serbia ..... The albanian rebels got handled with siftly like a broom through dust. NATO went to it's ultimate measure to stop the Serbs - and the Serbs STILL pushed and STILL resisted. To this day ! No other nation handled that bombardment like the Serbs did - FACT < - What do you mean when you say that no nation handled the bombardment like the Serbs did, and calling it a fact?
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Post by ZhosDiletanti on Feb 24, 2013 8:06:02 GMT -5
The albanian rebels got handled with siftly like a broom through dust. NATO went to it's ultimate measure to stop the Serbs - and the Serbs STILL pushed and STILL resisted. To this day ! No other nation handled that bombardment like the Serbs did - FACT < - What do you mean when you say that no nation handled the bombardment like the Serbs did, and calling it a fact? The Serbs stood on the field of battle and took it like this
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 24, 2013 11:23:24 GMT -5
What do you mean when you say that no nation handled the bombardment like the Serbs did, and calling it a fact? The Serbs stood on the field of battle and took it like this LMAO !!
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 24, 2013 12:54:11 GMT -5
Didn't the americans lose a stealth fighter?
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 24, 2013 13:18:07 GMT -5
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Post by amateurs on Feb 24, 2013 13:30:48 GMT -5
When I first saw those images where they bombed Belgrade, I was of course horrified and had this bad stomach feeling, but I convinced myself that it had to be done, to save those Big-ear scumbags. I still believe the Serbian intervention in Kosovo had to be stopped, but I have big doubts about the way the operation was conducted. Anyway, who would've thought the inbreds would turn evil and give way to new waves of violence? Such is life, I guess; and it's all part of human nature.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 24, 2013 13:37:40 GMT -5
When I first saw those images where they bombed Belgrade, I was of course horrified and had this bad stomach feeling, but I convinced myself that it had to be done, to save those Big-ear scumbags. I still believe the Serbian intervention in Kosovo had to be stopped, but I have big doubts about the way the operation was conducted. Anyway, who would've thought the inbreds would turn evil and give way to new waves of violence? Such is life, I guess; and it's all part of human nature. You're a tricky one anittas however I do respect your stance based on how you put it. NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia in 99' was a war-crime from the start - maybe you see it this way too except you see justification fair-enough I'll meet you half-way. Do you see albanians as you kin or something because to only look at 99' and all things uncovered during that-time only is very superficial.
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Post by amateurs on Feb 24, 2013 14:32:20 GMT -5
When I first saw those images where they bombed Belgrade, I was of course horrified and had this bad stomach feeling, but I convinced myself that it had to be done, to save those Big-ear scumbags. I still believe the Serbian intervention in Kosovo had to be stopped, but I have big doubts about the way the operation was conducted. Anyway, who would've thought the inbreds would turn evil and give way to new waves of violence? Such is life, I guess; and it's all part of human nature. You're a tricky one anittas however I do respect your stance based on how you put it. NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia in 99' was a war-crime from the start - maybe you see it this way too except you see justification fair-enough I'll meet you half-way. Do you see albanians as you kin or something because to only look at 99' and all things uncovered during that-time only is very superficial. It has nothing to do with seeing anyone as your kin. I saw, as so many others did, people getting killed ... and it needed to be stopped. It should've been stopped in Bosnia, it should've never gone this far. Serbs acted arrogantly about it, just like Albanians would act later. It's the same kind of arrogance we saw, to some extent, in Saddam, and that we now see in Syria. I don't see any conspiracy from the west, even if there were some influences that wanted to weaken Serbia's position, in the end, the Serbs and their attitude got them in this mess. No one forced you to pull the trigger. However, that doesn't mean that the entire operation was conducted right, and there's a big difference between putting a stop to killing and snapping a region from a country and allow the 'victims' to revenge. Call me crazy, but separating Serbs from Albanians was perhaps a good solution.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 24, 2013 14:38:37 GMT -5
You're a tricky one anittas however I do respect your stance based on how you put it. NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia in 99' was a war-crime from the start - maybe you see it this way too except you see justification fair-enough I'll meet you half-way. Do you see albanians as you kin or something because to only look at 99' and all things uncovered during that-time only is very superficial. It has nothing to do with seeing anyone as your kin. I saw, as so many others did, people getting killed ... and it needed to be stopped. It should've been stopped in Bosnia, it should've never gone this far. Serbs acted arrogantly about it, just like Albanians would act later. It's the same kind of arrogance we saw, to some extent, in Saddam, and that we now see in Syria. I don't see any conspiracy from the west, even if there were some influences that wanted to weaken Serbia's position, in the end, the Serbs and their attitude got them in this mess. No one forced you to pull the trigger. However, that doesn't mean that the entire operation was conducted right, and there's a big difference between putting a stop to killing and snapping a region from a country and allow the 'victims' to revenge. Call me crazy, but separating Serbs from Albanians was perhaps a good solution. You saw what the media wanted you to see - which is fine, but did you see what we saw? or is this part-alone propaganda and don't matter.... You act like Serbia's campaign in 99' came out of nowhere, do you know the situation of Serbs in Kosovo throughout Yugoslavia-times up to-then and now? Doesn't look like it, you're only thinking of Racak and those images of "poor refugees feeling their homes"... tell me I'm wrong.
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Post by pushtuesi on Mar 14, 2013 3:03:34 GMT -5
"You act like Serbia's campaign in 99' came out of nowhere, do you know the situation of Serbs in Kosovo throughout Yugoslavia-times up to-then and now? Doesn't look like it, you're only thinking of Racak and those images of "poor refugees feeling (sic, fleeing) their homes"... tell me I'm wrong."
Of course you're wrong. Your concern for Serbs during 'Yugo times' is completely myopic and biased of you. It is this backward biased and barbaric thinking on the part of Serbs like you that got their buildings, bridges and borders blown away. Apparently you forgot or were not taught about Vaso Cubrilovic's 1937 plan to ethnically cleanse Kosova and rest of Yugoslavia of Albanians and Muslims by forced deportations to Turkey and any nation that would take them. A. Rankovic would later ruthlessly carry out this inhuman campaign, with the help of Serb ambassador and writer Ivo Andric. www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=kosovar_self-determination_tmln&kosovar_self-determination_tmln_the_struggle_over_kosova=kosovar_self-determination_tmln_yugoslav_policies_in_kosovaIt is true that the '99 Operation Freedom came about to balance the parties's military power in this Balkan conflict. And seriously, the world's Albanians were not going to sit by and watch the Yugo war machine roll over the Jashari's and get away with this crime. And because of this fact, Nato leaders were not about to let their organization self destruct because of a bloodthirsty mini Hitler in Belgrade and Serbs had no doubt that any European capital would waste their assets to save a bunch of rural rebels in Kosova and raze Serbia into submission. "Hah! who would do that to Serbia? But, we are western and European in our culture!" said Slobo and most "target" wearing Belgraders. As for Clinton/German Amb. chiding the Albanians for their rhetorical national politicking in the Albanian elections, my answer is "SO? what can they do about it? Albanians themselves cannot calm their own strong national pride, someone thinks Clinton or Germany will accomplish that? Also, how could Albania's internal affairs affect Pristina/Belgrade talks? If a few nationalistic statements from Albania is going to sabotage or scare off Belgrade from making a deal for the Serbs in Kosova with Pristina, then, maybe the Kosova Serbs needs one from their own group to represent their interests in these talks. I mean Belgrade disappointed way too many Serbs from Croatia, Montenegro, and Macedonia. I think their ghettos can be seen in the outskirts of Belgrade. Kosova Serbs, I'm afraid, will barely see any future if negotiated by Belgrade. Even Ivica Dacic told all Serbs that they were lied to when politicians kept repeating "Kosovo is ours." He knows it ain't and never was or will be.
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