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Post by atdhetar on Mar 8, 2013 7:41:10 GMT -5
I know you drink beer that was a thinly veiled jab at the mujahideen Rex. Honestly you don't look alb.... Mario on the other hand is 100% alb.. You are strictly med. he does, that's a very common look in alb.
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Post by dukeduka on Mar 8, 2013 11:12:45 GMT -5
Chapter I.—The Greeks Claim, Without Reason, the Invention of the Arts.
Be not, O Greeks, so very hostilely disposed towards the Barbarians, nor look with ill will on their opinions. For which of your institutions has not been derived from the Barbarians?
The most eminent of the Telmessians invented the art of divining by dreams;
the Carians, that of prognosticating by the stars;
the Phrygians and the most ancient Isaurians, augury by the flight of birds;
the Cyprians, the art of inspecting victims.
To the Babylonians you owe astronomy; to the Persians, magic; to the Egyptians, geometry; to the Phœnicians, instruction by alphabetic writing.
Cease, then, to miscall these imitations inventions of your own!!!!!!!!!!!
Orpheus, again, taught you poetry and song; from him, too, you learned the mysteries.
The Tuscans taught you the plastic art; from the annals of the Egyptians you learned to write history; you acquired the art of playing the flute from Marsyas and Olympus,—these two rustic Phrygians constructed the harmony of the shepherd’s pipe.
The Tyrrhenians invented the trumpet;
the Cyclopes, the smith’s art; and a woman who was formerly a queen of the Persians, as Hellanicus tells us, the method of joining together epistolary tablets:her name was Atossa.
Wherefore lay aside this conceit, and be not ever boasting of your elegance of diction; for, while you applaud yourselves, your own people will of course side with you.
But it becomes a man of sense to wait for the testimony of others, and it becomes men to be of one accord also in the pronunciation of their language.
But, as matters stand, to you alone it has happened not to speak alike even in common intercourse; for the way of speaking among the Dorians is not the same as that of the inhabitants of Attica, nor do the Æolians speak like the Ionians.
And, since such a discrepancy exists where it ought not to be, I am at a loss whom to call a Greek.
And, what is strangest of all, you hold in honour expressions not of native growth, and by the intermixture of barbaric words have made your language a medley. On this account we have renounced your wisdom, though I was once a great proficient in it; for, as the comic poet says,—
| These are gleaners’ grapes and small talk,— Twittering places of swallows, corrupters of art. |
Yet those who eagerly pursue it shout lustily, and croak like so many ravens.
You have, too, contrived the art of rhetoric to serve injustice and slander, selling the free power of your speech for hire, and often representing the same thing at one time as right, at another time as not good. The poetic art, again, you employ to describe battles, and the amours of the gods, and the corruption of the soul. now POW yourself Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 8, 2013 11:32:53 GMT -5
Who gives a fuk about what you post...? You proved yourself to be a dumbarse racists and antisemite... the crap most of you post no one cares... history has been written.Of course people will try to dissect and study and form an opinion...some are hate based ,and nearly all are agenda driven.. You think you can make a dent on the written Greek history with this stuff? Get a hold of yourself Albanian.
No Greek claimed anything..since most peoples back then were too stupid to have a written language Greeks wrote about it...It was the western scholars and historians that made those claims.
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Post by rex362 on Mar 8, 2013 11:34:58 GMT -5
POW ! I quote Theodore II Lascaris ....every kind of philosophy and form of knowledge is a discovery of Hellenes..... I also won't make any further comment on his other claim that: "...the Hellenic race looms over all other languages...."
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 8, 2013 11:36:21 GMT -5
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Post by dukeduka on Mar 8, 2013 13:15:38 GMT -5
Ridicule of the Studies of the Greeks. Cease to make a parade of sayings which you have derived from others, and to deck yourselves like the daw in borrowed plumes. If each state were to take away its contribution to your speech, your fallacies would lose their power. While inquiring what God is, you are ignorant of what is in yourselves; and, while staring all agape at the sky, you stumble into pitfalls. The reading of your books is like walking through a labyrinth, and their readers resemble the cask of the Danaïds. Why do you divide time, saying that one part is past, and another present, and another future? For how can the future be passing when the present exists? As those who are sailing imagine in their ignorance, as the ship is borne along, that the hills are in motion, so you do not know that it is you who are passing along, but that time (ὁ αἰών) remains present as long as the Creator wills it to exist. Why am I called to account for uttering my opinions, and why are you in such haste to put them all down? Were not you born in the same manner as ourselves, and placed under the same government of the world? Why say that wisdom is with you alone, who have not another sun, nor other risings of the stars, nor a more distinguished origin, nor a death preferable to that of other men? The grammarians have been the beginning of this idle talk; and you who parcel out wisdom are cut off from the wisdom that is according to truth, and assign the names of the several parts to particular men; and you know not God, but in your fierce contentions destroy one another. And on this account you are all nothing worth. While you arrogate to yourselves the sole right of discussion, you discourse like the blind man with the deaf. Why do you handle the builder’s tools without knowing how to build? Why do you busy yourselves with words, while you keep aloof from deeds, puffed up with praise, but cast down by misfortunes? Your modes of acting are contrary to reason, for you make a pompous appearance in public, but hide your teaching in corners. Finding you to be such men as these, we have abandoned you, and no longer concern ourselves with your tenets, but follow the word of God. Why, O man, do you set the letters of the alphabet at war with one another? Why do you, as in a boxing match, make their sounds clash together with your mincing Attic way of speaking, whereas you ought to speak more according to nature? For if you adopt the Attic dialect though not an Athenian, pray why do you not speak like the Dorians? How is it that one appears to you more rugged, the other more pleasant for intercourse?
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Post by amateurs on Mar 8, 2013 15:27:46 GMT -5
Chapter I.—The Greeks Claim, Without Reason, the Invention of the Arts.
Be not, O Greeks, so very hostilely disposed towards the Barbarians, nor look with ill will on their opinions. For which of your institutions has not been derived from the Barbarians?
The most eminent of the Telmessians invented the art of divining by dreams;
the Carians, that of prognosticating by the stars;
the Phrygians and the most ancient Isaurians, augury by the flight of birds;
the Cyprians, the art of inspecting victims.
To the Babylonians you owe astronomy; to the Persians, magic; to the Egyptians, geometry; to the Phœnicians, instruction by alphabetic writing.
Cease, then, to miscall these imitations inventions of your own!!!!!!!!!!!
Orpheus, again, taught you poetry and song; from him, too, you learned the mysteries.
The Tuscans taught you the plastic art; from the annals of the Egyptians you learned to write history; you acquired the art of playing the flute from Marsyas and Olympus,—these two rustic Phrygians constructed the harmony of the shepherd’s pipe.
The Tyrrhenians invented the trumpet;
the Cyclopes, the smith’s art; and a woman who was formerly a queen of the Persians, as Hellanicus tells us, the method of joining together epistolary tablets:her name was Atossa.
Wherefore lay aside this conceit, and be not ever boasting of your elegance of diction; for, while you applaud yourselves, your own people will of course side with you.
But it becomes a man of sense to wait for the testimony of others, and it becomes men to be of one accord also in the pronunciation of their language.
But, as matters stand, to you alone it has happened not to speak alike even in common intercourse; for the way of speaking among the Dorians is not the same as that of the inhabitants of Attica, nor do the Æolians speak like the Ionians.
And, since such a discrepancy exists where it ought not to be, I am at a loss whom to call a Greek.
And, what is strangest of all, you hold in honour expressions not of native growth, and by the intermixture of barbaric words have made your language a medley. On this account we have renounced your wisdom, though I was once a great proficient in it; for, as the comic poet says,—
| These are gleaners’ grapes and small talk,— Twittering places of swallows, corrupters of art. |
Yet those who eagerly pursue it shout lustily, and croak like so many ravens.
You have, too, contrived the art of rhetoric to serve injustice and slander, selling the free power of your speech for hire, and often representing the same thing at one time as right, at another time as not good. The poetic art, again, you employ to describe battles, and the amours of the gods, and the corruption of the soul. now POW yourself Kanaris Can you even read? I said that Greek civilization influenced Western civilization. That's a fact. Then, of course, Greek civilization was influenced by its neighbors, as one would expect them to be. Just like Greek culture influenced much of Asia Minor, the Romans, the Jews, the people living in Caucasus, and so on. What exactly have you, the Albanians, done to advance civilization? You pride yourself with some ruffians who robbed and killed, okay, fine; but if we speak about arts and science, what have you done? Actually, allow me to help you out. There's this guy, Ferid Murad, who was a co-winner of the Nobel prize for medicine. He did something, so credit goes where credit is due. However, if you look at the list of Albanian scientists, you'll notice it's quite short: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Albanian_scientistsNow have a look at the list of Greek inventors and scientists: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_scientists#Scientists_and_EngineersIf it makes you feel better, ignore the ancient- and the medieval era. Focus on modern times, only. Do you see how much the modern Greeks have contributed to advance civilization? So how about you and the rest of your pack show some respect for these people?
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 8, 2013 15:49:46 GMT -5
The Albanians have all their bases covered,they will take that list and claim that 99% of the scientists on it are Arvanites...LOL!
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Post by ZhosDiletanti on Mar 8, 2013 22:22:02 GMT -5
Can you even read? I said that Greek civilization influenced Western civilization. That's a fact. Then, of course, Greek civilization was influenced by its neighbors, as one would expect them to be. Just like Greek culture influenced much of Asia Minor, the Romans, the Jews, the people living in Caucasus, and so on. What exactly have you, the Albanians, done to advance civilization? You pride yourself with some ruffians who robbed and killed, okay, fine; but if we speak about arts and science, what have you done? Actually, allow me to help you out. There's this guy, Ferid Murad, who was a co-winner of the Nobel prize for medicine. He did something, so credit goes where credit is due. However, if you look at the list of Albanian scientists, you'll notice it's quite short: ..................................... If it makes you feel better, ignore the ancient- and the medieval era. Focus on modern times, only. Do you see how much the modern Greeks have contributed to advance civilization? So how about you and the rest of your pack show some respect for these people?Speaking as a member of "the rest of the pack", and I may regret doing so Yes, certainly, Hellenic culture has influenced the course and flavor of Western Civilization. There is a reason why every Humanities 101 class talks about our Judeo-Christian-Greco-Roman tradition, to which they should also add Arabo-, in my opinion. And you are also true when you say that Greek civ. was also influenced by other neighboring, earlier civilizations (Phoenician-Semitic, Egyptian, Hindu/Oriental). But this is where my problem with the role of the Greeks begins; according to Greeks, they gave Europe EVERYTHING. In my opinion, that is simply not true. We are all very well conditioned to calling ancient Greece as the birthplace of western civilization, but in reality I think it was more of a playground and laboratory.
The ancient Greeks were great thinkers, catalogers and synthesizers of the many strands of ancient knowledge that began in the fertile valleys of ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, Ganges, and elsewhere in the Orient. This accumulated human knowledge had been steadily moving toward Europe, a wild pagan barbarian forest at the time, as human leadership moved North and West. Greece was the beneficiary of many of these ideas, but they fail to acknowledge this great debt. They would have us believe that they gave birth to it all, like Athena sprouting fully armed out of Zeus's forehead. Having that said, I greatly admire the ancient Hellenes and their accomplishments across the wide field of arts, sciences and political thought. They were also more than just passive borrowers and derivatives of ancient ideas, they also added their own contributions, made their own original inventions, and infused it all with their unique European vigor and spirit. But I still cringe to hear "The Greeks gave Europe Everything".
greek orientalizing period
I refuse to get pulled into the game of "we have more artists and scientists" than X-nation. It's a game for children, like measuring out brainpans or whipping out our dicks to see who has the biggest. Also, I see genius as an individual achievement, although I understand the pride people take in what "the loins of the motherland" have produced. For instance, Tesla was a unique genius, he was proud to be Serb and Serbia should rightfully be proud of her son, but was he a genius because he was a Serb? Same can be said for Einstein, Newton, etc, etc. Be that as it may, some nations and cultures seem more prone to promote and create great artistic and scientific achievements, and give birth to a few more geniuses. They actively pursue and reward knowledge at a societal level. If you ask me, the great achievers in the field of sciences/engineering were/are the germanic-anglo-saxon world (north italians, french, dutch, english) and surprisingly a large number of German Jews.
I know the contributions of Albanians in the sciences are marginal. The reasons for this are many, and I don't have the time to discuss it.
I always get a chuckle when I hear people demand to be respected. Respect is freely given when it is earned, it is not demanded based on some self-important authoritative basis or cute titles (unless you are in the army or something). Further, respect is a two way street; if cannot flow in one direction only - you have to remember to give some back. Anyway, at this point I am just expressing personal preferences so I'll stop.
Thoughts by a member of the pack.
the mountains laugh, the clear wind laughs, the river also laughs my sentiments remain laughing still
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Post by ZhosDiletanti on Mar 8, 2013 22:29:37 GMT -5
something once was here but now is no more
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 9, 2013 10:23:48 GMT -5
You shaved your head? Great! Rex doesn't eat pork btw. A little bit between the eyes and nose... I agree there is that alb look. In that sense I look alb too... this is 7 years ago... on my 47 birthday...
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Post by amateurs on Mar 9, 2013 19:12:26 GMT -5
Can you even read? I said that Greek civilization influenced Western civilization. That's a fact. Then, of course, Greek civilization was influenced by its neighbors, as one would expect them to be. Just like Greek culture influenced much of Asia Minor, the Romans, the Jews, the people living in Caucasus, and so on. What exactly have you, the Albanians, done to advance civilization? You pride yourself with some ruffians who robbed and killed, okay, fine; but if we speak about arts and science, what have you done? Actually, allow me to help you out. There's this guy, Ferid Murad, who was a co-winner of the Nobel prize for medicine. He did something, so credit goes where credit is due. However, if you look at the list of Albanian scientists, you'll notice it's quite short: ..................................... If it makes you feel better, ignore the ancient- and the medieval era. Focus on modern times, only. Do you see how much the modern Greeks have contributed to advance civilization? So how about you and the rest of your pack show some respect for these people?Speaking as a member of "the rest of the pack", and I may regret doing so Yes, certainly, Hellenic culture has influenced the course and flavor of Western Civilization. There is a reason why every Humanities 101 class talks about our Judeo-Christian-Greco-Roman tradition, to which they should also add Arabo-, in my opinion. And you are also true when you say that Greek civ. was also influenced by other neighboring, earlier civilizations (Phoenician-Semitic, Egyptian, Hindu/Oriental). But this is where my problem with the role of the Greeks begins; according to Greeks, they gave Europe EVERYTHING. In my opinion, that is simply not true. We are all very well conditioned to calling ancient Greece as the birthplace of western civilization, but in reality I think it was more of a playground and laboratory.
The ancient Greeks were great thinkers, catalogers and synthesizers of the many strands of ancient knowledge that began in the fertile valleys of ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, Ganges, and elsewhere in the Orient. This accumulated human knowledge had been steadily moving toward Europe, a wild pagan barbarian forest at the time, as human leadership moved North and West. Greece was the beneficiary of many of these ideas, but they fail to acknowledge this great debt. They would have us believe that they gave birth to it all, like Athena sprouting fully armed out of Zeus's forehead. Having that said, I greatly admire the ancient Hellenes and their accomplishments across the wide field of arts, sciences and political thought. They were also more than just passive borrowers and derivatives of ancient ideas, they also added their own contributions, made their own original inventions, and infused it all with their unique European vigor and spirit. But I still cringe to hear "The Greeks gave Europe Everything".
greek orientalizing period
I refuse to get pulled into the game of "we have more artists and scientists" than X-nation. It's a game for children, like measuring out brainpans or whipping out our dicks to see who has the biggest. Also, I see genius as an individual achievement, although I understand the pride people take in what "the loins of the motherland" have produced. For instance, Tesla was a unique genius, he was proud to be Serb and Serbia should rightfully be proud of her son, but was he a genius because he was a Serb? Same can be said for Einstein, Newton, etc, etc. Be that as it may, some nations and cultures seem more prone to promote and create great artistic and scientific achievements, and give birth to a few more geniuses. They actively pursue and reward knowledge at a societal level. If you ask me, the great achievers in the field of sciences/engineering were/are the germanic-anglo-saxon world (north italians, french, dutch, english) and surprisingly a large number of German Jews.
I know the contributions of Albanians in the sciences are marginal. The reasons for this are many, and I don't have the time to discuss it.
I always get a chuckle when I hear people demand to be respected. Respect is freely given when it is earned, it is not demanded based on some self-important authoritative basis or cute titles (unless you are in the army or something). Further, respect is a two way street; if cannot flow in one direction only - you have to remember to give some back. Anyway, at this point I am just expressing personal preferences so I'll stop.
Thoughts by a member of the pack.
the mountains laugh, the clear wind laughs, the river also laughs my sentiments remain laughing still
the N-guy (not a Kosovare The Greeks who claim that Greek civ. gave W. E. everything are equivalent to those Albs who try to disclaim the legacy of Greek culture. However, as you must've seen, I confronted those Greeks who have made such claims in the past, in this forum, as well as I could. You can save your chuckle for the comment I made about respect. I wasn't demanding any respect for individuals, I was saying that one should respect a culture, a civilization, that has left a heritage. That kind of respect is more about recognizing what is there, it's not about worshiping or holding granting them superior status. Now let me tell you what makes me chuckle. It makes me chuckle that you, N, always tend to share with you this great wisdom of yours with me. However, how about being a bit generous to your countrymen and teach them a thing or two about respect ... no, not respect as in saying, "yes, sir" and not the kind of respect that an individual earns for himself; but the kind of respect that leads to a meaningful discussion, exchange of ideas and then ... oh, dear, it might lead to mutual respect for one another! Because that's how respect is earned, right? I should be among the last to talk about respect, which should make you realize how far your countrymen have gone in their rogue behavior. I find it amazing that you don't feel any shame over their stupidity.
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Post by dukeduka on Mar 9, 2013 21:22:55 GMT -5
Testimony of the Phœnicians.
After the Chaldeans, the testimony of the Phœnicians is as follows. There were among them three men, Theodotus, Hypsicrates, and Mochus; Chaitus translated their books into Greek, and also composed with exactness the lives of the philosophers. Now, in the histories of the aforesaid writers it is shown that the abduction of Europa happened under one of the kings, and an account is given of the coming of Menelaus into Phœnicia, and of the matters relating to Chiramus, Called Hiram in our authorized translation. who gave his daughter in marriage to Solomon the king of the Jews, and supplied wood of all kind of trees for the building of the temple. Menander of Pergamus composed a history concerning the same things. But the age of Chiramus is somewhere about the Trojan war; but Solomon, the contemporary of Chiramus, lived much later than the age of Moses.
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Post by dukeduka on Mar 9, 2013 21:42:45 GMT -5
The Christians are Hated Unjustly.
And if you adhere to their teaching, why do you fight against me for choosing such views of doctrine as I approve? Is it not unreasonable that, while the robber is not to be punished for the name he bears,494494 [Athenagoras, Embassy, cap. ii., infra.] but only when the truth about him has been clearly ascertained, yet we are to be assailed with abuse on a judgment formed without examination? Diagoras was an Athenian, but you punished him for divulging the Athenian mysteries; yet you who read his Phrygian discourses hate us. You possess the commentaries of Leo, and are displeased with our refutations of them; and having in your hands the opinions of Apion concerning the Egyptian gods, you denounce us as most impious. The tomb of Olympian Zeus is shown among you,495495 In Crete. though some one says that the Cretans are liars.496496 Comp. Tit. i. 12. Callimachus is probably the author referred to, through others express the same opinion respecting the Cretans. Your assembly of many gods is nothing. Though their despiser Epicurus acts as a torch-bearer,497497 Accommodating himself to the popular opinions, through fear. I do not any the more conceal from the rulers that view of God which I hold in relation to His government of the universe. Why do you advise me to be false to my principles? Why do you who say that you despise death exhort us to use art in order to escape it? I have not the heart of a deer; but your zeal 77for dialectics resembles the loquacity of Thersites. How can I believe one who tells me that the sun is a red-hot mass and the moon an earth? Such assertions are mere logomachies, and not a sober exposition of truth. How can it be otherwise than foolish to credit the books of Herodotus relating to the history of Hercules, which tell of an upper earth from which the lion came down that was killed by Hercules? And what avails the Attic style, the sorites of philosophers, the plausibilities of syllogisms, the measurements of the earth, the positions of the stars, and the course of the sun? To be occupied in such inquiries is the work of one who imposes opinions on himself as if they were laws.
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Post by amateurs on Mar 9, 2013 23:14:21 GMT -5
What the hell is that idiot referring to when pasting that text? God damn retard, this forum is cursed ... once a retard leaves, another takes over. Although he must be an old retard.
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 9, 2013 23:17:04 GMT -5
How to grow onions. Dried or fresh, raw or cooked, onions are an indispensable ingredient in a variety of soups,salads, breads, and casseroles. Onions are easier to grow than you might think, and they're a great plant for tucking into spare corners and along the edges of garden beds. Types Onions come in a wide variety of shapes, sizes, and colors. The white, yellow, or red bulbs range in size from small pickling onions to large Spanish cultivars; they can be globe, top, or spindle shaped. Most onions can be pulled young as green onions called scallions, but there is also a perennial bunching type, Allium fistulosum, that produces superior scallions and is practically disease and insect proof. Each bulb of the multiplier or potato onion (A. cepa Aggregatum group) multiplies into a bulb cluster, so with every harvest, you'll have bulbs to replant for a continual supply. The Egyptian or top onion (A. cepa Proliferum group) produces a bulb cluster at the end of a long stem with a second cluster frequently forming on top of the first. It also has an underground bulb, which is often too pungent to eat. Other tasty plants include chives (A. schoenoprasum), garlic chives (A. tuberosum), and shallots (A. cepa Aggregatum group). For information on other onion relatives, see Garlic. Planting You can grow onions from transplants, sets, or seeds. Transplants, which are seedlings started in the current growing season and sold in bunches, are available from nurseries and by mail order. They usually form good bulbs over a short period of time (65 days or less), but they are subject to diseases. Choice of cultivars is somewhat limited. Sets are immature bulbs grown the previous year and offer the most limited cultivar choices. They are the easiest to plant, the earliest to harvest, and the least susceptible to diseases. They are, however, more prone to bolting (sending up a flower stalk prematurely) than are seedlings or transplants. If you plant onion sets, the sets may be identified only as white, red, or yellow, rather than by variety name. Most growers prefer white sets for green onions. When buying sets, look for 1/2-inch-diameter bulbs, because they're the least likely to bolt. Growing onions from seed offers the great advantage of a wide choice in cultivars. The challenge with starting from seeds is that your crop will take up to 4 months to mature—gardeners in cold-winter areas will need to start their onion seedlings indoors. Go Green Using Tips From America's Top Organic Experts! Learn more.
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 9, 2013 23:18:20 GMT -5
Maybe I should repost the article about the Albanian family that sold their son for a tv.... gotta bring him back down to reality.
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Post by dukeduka on Mar 10, 2013 0:41:55 GMT -5
Greeks Falsely Promise Health to Their Votaries. Concerning the sympathies and antipathies of Democritus what can we say but this, that, according to the common saying, the man of Abdera is Abderiloquent? But, as he who gave the name to the city, a friend of Hercules as it is said, was devoured by the horses of Diomedes, so he who boasted of the Magian Ostanes473473 Democritus. [The Paris editors add, vide Lærtium. As to Ostanes, see that invaluable thesaurus, Hofmann’s Lex. Universale, vol. ii. p. 6. Leyden, 1698.] will be delivered up in the day of consummation474474 [Comp. cap. vi. note 6, supra. p. 67.] as fuel for the eternal fire. And you, if you do not cease from your laughter, will gain the same punishment as the jugglers. Wherefore, O Greeks, hearken to me, addressing you as from an eminence, nor in mockery transfer your own want of reason to the herald of the truth. A diseased affection (πάθος) is not destroyed by a counter-affection (ἀντιπάθεια), nor is a maniac cured by hanging little amulets of leather upon him. There are visitations of demons; and he who is sick, and he who says he is in love, and he who hates, and he who wishes to be revenged, accept them as helpers. And this is the method of their operation: just as the forms of alphabetic letters and the lines composed of them cannot of themselves indicate what is meant, but men have invented for themselves signs of their thoughts, knowing by their peculiar combination what the order of the letters was intended to express; so, in like manner, the various kinds of roots and the mutual relation of the sinews and bones can effect nothing of themselves, but are the elemental matter with which the depravity of the demons works, who have determined for what purpose each of them is available. And, when they see that men consent to be served by means of such things, they take them and make them their slaves. But how can it be honourable to minister to adulteries? How can it be noble to stimulate men in hating one another? Or how is it becoming to ascribe to matter the relief of the insane, and not to God? For by their art they turn men aside from the pious acknowledgment of God, leading them to place confidence in herbs and roots.475475 [Naviget Anticyras. On hellebore, see otherwise useless learning but illustrative of this place, in Burton, Anat. Melanchol., p. 400. Ed. New York, 1847.] But God, if He had prepared these things to effect just what men wish, would be a Producer of evil things; whereas He Himself produced everything which has good qualities, but the profligacy of the demons has made use of the productions of nature for evil purposes, and the appearance of evil which these wear is from them, and not from the perfect God. For how comes it to pass that when alive I was in no wise evil, but that now I am dead and can do nothing, my remains, which are incapable of motion or even sense, should effect something cognizable by the senses? And how shall he who has died by the most miserable death be able to assist in avenging any one? If this were possible, much more might he defend 73himself from his own enemy; being able to assist others, much more might he constitute himself his own avenger.
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Post by amateurs on Mar 10, 2013 2:21:36 GMT -5
Maybe I should repost the article about the Albanian family that sold their son for a tv.... gotta bring him back down to reality. Do it. Please.
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Post by rex362 on Mar 10, 2013 10:09:39 GMT -5
Maybe I should repost the article about the Albanian family that sold their son for a tv.... gotta bring him back down to reality. who was the buyer .....greek priest ?
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