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Post by ZhosDiletanti on Mar 10, 2013 10:52:30 GMT -5
Speaking as a member of "the rest of the pack", and I may regret doing so .... The Greeks who claim that Greek civ. gave W. E. everything are equivalent to those Albs who try to disclaim the legacy of Greek culture. However, as you must've seen, I confronted those Greeks who have made such claims in the past, in this forum, as well as I could. You can save your chuckle for the comment I made about respect. I wasn't demanding any respect for individuals, I was saying that one should respect a culture, a civilization, that has left a heritage. That kind of respect is more about recognizing what is there, it's not about worshiping or holding granting them superior status. Now let me tell you what makes me chuckle. It makes me chuckle that you, N, always tend to share with you this great wisdom of yours with me. However, how about being a bit generous to your countrymen and teach them a thing or two about respect ... no, not respect as in saying, "yes, sir" and not the kind of respect that an individual earns for himself; but the kind of respect that leads to a meaningful discussion, exchange of ideas and then ... oh, dear, it might lead to mutual respect for one another! Because that's how respect is earned, right? I should be among the last to talk about respect, which should make you realize how far your countrymen have gone in their rogue behavior. I find it amazing that you don't feel any shame over their stupidity. Point taken.
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 10, 2013 12:35:28 GMT -5
Maybe I should repost the article about the Albanian family that sold their son for a tv.... gotta bring him back down to reality. who was the buyer .....greek priest ? I think it was a Turk or Bosnian.. honestly.
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 10, 2013 12:49:36 GMT -5
who was the buyer .....greek priest ? I think it was a Turk or Bosnian.. honestly. Actually an Italian most probably an Arbresh ...for a slave ring. DURRES, Albania, Nov. 11 — Fatmira Bonjaku's husband is in jail, accused by the police of selling their 3-year-old son to an Italian man in return for the television set that six other children watch in the family's dimly lighted room. The police also say her husband had plans to sell their newest born, whom she is breast feeding. www.essex.ac.uk/armedcon/story_id/000159.htmlmore info gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Albania.htm
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Post by dukeduka on Mar 10, 2013 13:39:26 GMT -5
Greeks Deceive, Instead of Healing. But medicine and everything included in it is an invention of the same kind. If any one is healed by matter, through trusting to it, much more will he be healed by having recourse to the power of God. As noxious preparations are material compounds, so are curatives of the same nature. If, however, we reject the baser matter, some persons often endeavour to heal by a union of one of these bad things with some other, and will make use of the bad to attain the good. But, just as he who dines with a robber, though he may not be a robber himself, partakes of the punishment on account of his intimacy with him, so he who is not bad but associates with the bad, having dealings with them for some supposed good, will be punished by God the Judge for partnership in the same object. Why is he who trusts in the system of matter476476 [ὓλης οἰκονομία. note Comp. cap. ix., supra, note 4; p. 69.] not willing to trust in God? For what reason do you not approach the more powerful Lord, but rather seek to cure yourself, like the dog with grass, or the stag with a viper, or the hog with river-crabs, or the lion with apes? Why you deify the objects of nature? And why, when you cure your neighbour, are you called a benefactor? Yield to the power of the Logos! The demons do not cure, but by their art make men their captives. And the most admirable Justin477477 [The language of an affectionate pupil: ὁ θαυμασιώτατος Ιουστινος.]has rightly denounced them as robbers. For, as it is the practice of some to capture persons and then to restore them to their friends for a ransom, so those who are esteemed gods, invading the bodies of certain persons, and producing a sense of their presence by dreams, command them to come forth into public, and in the sight of all, when they have taken their fill of the things of this world, fly away from the sick, and, destroying the disease which they had produced, restore men to their former state.
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 10, 2013 14:26:33 GMT -5
CHAPTER XVIII.—THEY DECEIVE, INSTEAD OF HEALING.But medicine and everything included in it is an invention of the same kind. If any one is healed by matter, through trusting to it, much more will he be healed by having recourse to the power of God. As noxious preparations are material compounds, so are curatives of the same nature. If, however, we reject the baser matter, some persons often endeavour to heal by a union of one of these bad things with some other, and will make use of the bad to attain the good. But, just as he who dines with a robber, though he may not be a robber himself, partakes of the punishment on account of his intimacy with him, so he who is not bad but associates with the bad, having dealings with them for some supposed good, will be punished by God the Judge for partnership in the same object. Why is he who trusts in the system of matter476 not willing to trust in God? For what reason do you not approach the more powerful Lord, but rather seek to cure yourself, like the dog with grass, or the stag with a viper, or the hog with river-crabs, or the lion with apes? Why you deify the objects of nature? And why, when you cure your neighbour, are you called a benefactor? Yield to the power of the Logos! The demons do not cure, but by their art make men their captives. And the most admirable Justin477 has rightly denounced them as robbers. For, as it is the practice of some to capture persons and then to restore them to their friends for a ransom, so those who are esteemed gods, invading the bodies of certain persons, and producing a sense of their presence by dreams, command them to come forth into public, and in the sight of all, when they have taken their fill of the things of this world, fly away from the sick, and, destroying the disease which they had produced, restore men to their former state.
You coksucker you keep adding the word Greek and it wasn't in the original that you found...piece of chit... I will delete all your posts because they are misleading....
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Post by dukeduka on Mar 10, 2013 14:40:09 GMT -5
CHAPTER XVIII.—THEY DECEIVE, INSTEAD OF HEALING.But medicine and everything included in it is an invention of the same kind. If any one is healed by matter, through trusting to it, much more will he be healed by having recourse to the power of God. As noxious preparations are material compounds, so are curatives of the same nature. If, however, we reject the baser matter, some persons often endeavour to heal by a union of one of these bad things with some other, and will make use of the bad to attain the good. But, just as he who dines with a robber, though he may not be a robber himself, partakes of the punishment on account of his intimacy with him, so he who is not bad but associates with the bad, having dealings with them for some supposed good, will be punished by God the Judge for partnership in the same object. Why is he who trusts in the system of matter476 not willing to trust in God? For what reason do you not approach the more powerful Lord, but rather seek to cure yourself, like the dog with grass, or the stag with a viper, or the hog with river-crabs, or the lion with apes? Why you deify the objects of nature? And why, when you cure your neighbour, are you called a benefactor? Yield to the power of the Logos! The demons do not cure, but by their art make men their captives. And the most admirable Justin477 has rightly denounced them as robbers. For, as it is the practice of some to capture persons and then to restore them to their friends for a ransom, so those who are esteemed gods, invading the bodies of certain persons, and producing a sense of their presence by dreams, command them to come forth into public, and in the sight of all, when they have taken their fill of the things of this world, fly away from the sick, and, destroying the disease which they had produced, restore men to their former state.
You coksucker you keep adding the word Greek and it wasn't in the original that you found...piece of chit... I will delete all your posts because they are misleading....
They it stands for Greeks. The whole thing is addressed to Greeks. And watch your language, you are not talking to your mother!
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 10, 2013 14:45:40 GMT -5
Snakes have no shame.
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Post by dukeduka on Mar 10, 2013 14:50:09 GMT -5
Yeah, snakes f**k themselves in order to leave offsprings. That's exactly what Serbs do.
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 10, 2013 15:38:40 GMT -5
Snakes are good.... this guy is totally fuked up in the head...the only cure is good swift kik in the nutz..
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Post by atdhetar on Mar 11, 2013 8:03:18 GMT -5
I think it was a Turk or Bosnian.. honestly. Actually an Italian most probably an Arbresh ...for a slave ring. DURRES, Albania, Nov. 11 — Fatmira Bonjaku's husband is in jail, accused by the police of selling their 3-year-old son to an Italian man in return for the television set that six other children watch in the family's dimly lighted room. The police also say her husband had plans to sell their newest born, whom she is breast feeding. www.essex.ac.uk/armedcon/story_id/000159.htmlmore info gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Albania.htmis there no poor people that do crazy shit in that cesspool called serbia?
your people attempted to wipe out the population of at least 3 nations in the past two decades and you are appalled by this news?
when did death dealers grow a fucking concience?
when did blood spillers get a moral threshhold?
when did vampiric, ravenous serbs become capable of human compassion?
when did a reptile feel love for its own offspring?
isn't it a ritual in serbia that the firstborn is always eaten?
warmongering genociders who assassinated their own prime minister not longer than 1 decade ago have the fucking audacity to point their finger at others!
a fucking savage cannot be pointing out social issues in others, that's like a meth addict looking down on a drunk
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 11, 2013 12:20:45 GMT -5
Actually an Italian most probably an Arbresh ...for a slave ring. DURRES, Albania, Nov. 11 — Fatmira Bonjaku's husband is in jail, accused by the police of selling their 3-year-old son to an Italian man in return for the television set that six other children watch in the family's dimly lighted room. The police also say her husband had plans to sell their newest born, whom she is breast feeding. www.essex.ac.uk/armedcon/story_id/000159.htmlmore info gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Albania.htmis there no poor people that do crazy s**t in that cesspool called serbia?
your people attempted to wipe out the population of at least 3 nations in the past two decades and you are appalled by this news?
when did death dealers grow a f**king concience?
when did blood spillers get a moral threshhold?
when did vampiric, ravenous serbs become capable of human compassion?
when did a reptile feel love for its own offspring?
isn't it a ritual in serbia that the firstborn is always eaten?
warmongering genociders who assassinated their own prime minister not longer than 1 decade ago have the f**king audacity to point their finger at others!
a f**king savage cannot be pointing out social issues in others, that's like a meth addict looking down on a drunk look at you adt... back to your old self in jibber jabbering a shit load of crap while not saying anything at all really. No need to get sensitive boy, just relaying some facts... I know how much that hurts you guys
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Post by kapedan on Apr 25, 2013 19:49:27 GMT -5
CHAP.XXI.--DOCTRINES OF THE CHRISTIANS AND GREEKS RESPECTING GOD COMPARED.
We do not act as fools, O Greeks, nor utter idle tales, when we announce that God was born in the form of a man. I call on you who reproach us to compare your mythical accounts with our narrations. Athene, as they say, took the form of Deiphobus for the sake of Hector, and the unshorn Phoebus for the sake of Admetus fed the trailing-footed oxen, and the spouse us came as an old woman to Semele. But, while you treat seriously such things, how can you deride us? Your Asclepios died, and he who ravished fifty virgins in one night at Thespiae lost his life by delivering himself to the devouring flame. Prometheus, fastened to Caucasus, suffered punishment for his good deeds to men. According to you, Zeus is envious, and hides the dream from men, wishing their destruction. Wherefore, looking at your own memorials, vouchsafe us your approval, though it were only as dealing in legends similar to your own. We, however, do not deal in folly, but your legends are only idle tales. If you speak of the origin of the gods, you also declare them to be mortal.
For what reason is Hera now never pregnant? Has she grown old? or is there no one to give you information? Believe me now, O Greeks, and do not resolve your myths and gods into allegory. If you attempt to do this, the divine nature as held by you is overthrown by your own selves; for, if the demons with you are such as they are said to be, they are worthless as to character; or, if regarded as symbols of the powers of nature, they are not what they are called. But I cannot be persuaded to pay religious homage to the natural elements, nor can I undertake to persuade my neighbour. And Metrodorus of Lampsacus, in his treatise concerning Homer, has argued very foolishly, turning everything into allegory. For he says that neither Hera, nor Athene, nor Zeus are what those persons suppose who consecrate to them sacred enclosures and groves, but parts of nature and certain arrangements of the elements. Hector also, and Achilles, and Agamemnon, and all the Greeks in general, and the Barbarians with Helen and Paris, being of the same nature, you will of course say are introduced merely for the sake of the machinery of the poem, not one of these personages having really existed. But these things we have put forth only for argument's sake; for it is not allowable even to compare our notion of God with those who are wallowing in matter and mud.
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Post by kapedan on Apr 28, 2013 1:52:44 GMT -5
CHAP. VIII.--THE DEMONS SIN AMONG MANKIND.
But men form the material (upoqesis) of their apostasy. For, having shown them a plan of the position of the stars, like dice-players, they introduced Fate, a flagrant injustice. For the judge and the judged are made so by Fate; the murderers and the murdered, the wealthy and the needy, are the offspring of the same Fate; and every nativity is regarded as a theatrical entertainment by those beings of whom Homer says,- "Among the gods Rose laughter irrepressible." But must not those who are spectators of single combats and are partisans on one side or the other, and he who marries and is a paederast and an adulterer, who laughs and is angry, who flees and is wounded, be regarded as mortals? For, by whatever actions they manifest to men their characters, by these they prompt their hearers to copy their example. And are not the demons themselves, with Zeus at their head, subjected to Fate, being overpowered by the same passions as men? And, besides, how are those beings to be worshipped among whom there exists such a great contrariety of opinions? For Rhea, whom the inhabitants of the Phrygian mountains call Cybele, enacted emasculation on account of Attis, of whom she was enamoured; but Aphrodite is delighted with conjugal embraces. Artemis is a poisoner; Apollo heals diseases. And after the decapitation of the Gorgon, the beloved of Poseidon, whence sprang the horse Pegasus and Chrysaor, Athene and Asclepios divided between them the drops of blood; and, while he saved men's lives by means of them, she, by the same blood, became a homicide and the instigator of wars. From regard to her reputation, as it appears to me, the Athenians attributed to the earth the son born of her connection with Hephaestos, that Athene might not be thought to be deprived of her virility by Hephaestos, as Atalanta by Meleaget. This limping manufacturer of buckles and earrings, as is likely, deceived the motherless child and orphan with these girlish ornaments. Poseidon frequents the seas; Ares delights in wars; Apollo is a player on the cithara; Dionysus is absolute sovereign of the Thebans; Kronos is a tyrannicide; Zeus has intercourse with his own daughter, who becomes pregant by him. I may instance, too, Eleusis, and the mystic Dragon, and Orpheus, who says,- "Close the gates against the profane!" Aidoneus carries off Kore, and his deeds have been made into mysteries; Demeter bewails her daughter, and some persons are deceived by the Athenians. In the precincts of the temple of the son of Leto is a spot called Omphalos; but Omphalos is the burial-place of Dionysus. You now I laud, O Daphne!--by conquering the incontinence of Apollo, you disproved his power of vaticination; for, not foreseeing what would occur to you, he derived no advantage from his art. Let the far-shooting god tell me how Zephyrus slew Hyacinthus. Zephyrus conquered him; and in accordance with the saying of the tragic poet,- "Abreeze is the most honourable chariot of the gods," -- conquered by a slight breeze, Apollo lost his beloved.
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