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Post by newnature on Mar 18, 2013 15:47:17 GMT -5
It is simply been given to man to either accept or reject what Christ has already accomplished in this age of grace. The believer today then, is to be based upon appreciation of what Christ has already done, and the security that we have in him, rather than apprehension based upon a supposition of what God may or may not do in the future for us.
Many people involved in religion’s domain are dealing with God on the basis of probation, rather than salvation. Then God must make a decision in their minds, whether or not to save that individual. Their suitability for heaven depends upon their turning away from all of their sins. If they will simply dedicate themselves to no longer to sin, that is the idea. God testing over and over again the validity of that dedication. Then God will know if they are truly devoted to him, then he will be able to finally make a decision as to whether or not they are heaven worthy. That is the idea in and in most people’s minds; it is the idea being promoted by ministers of righteousness. That is probation, not salvation.
God is not testing or proving people today, in order to make a final decision as to whether or not to save them, or to keep them saved. All the saving work that God could possibly do, he has already done through Christ. God now holds forth the reconciliation that Christ has accomplished, in his mind, offering man the choice to either accept or reject that gift of salvation. Appreciation based on the reality of salvation, not apprehension based on religion’s message of probation.
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 18, 2013 16:47:36 GMT -5
It is simply been given to man to either accept or reject what Christ has already accomplished in this age of grace. The believer today then, is to be based upon appreciation of what Christ has already done, and the security that we have in him, rather than apprehension based upon a supposition of what God may or may not do in the future for us. Many people involved in religion’s domain are dealing with God on the basis of probation, rather than salvation. Then God must make a decision in their minds, whether or not to save that individual. Their suitability for heaven depends upon their turning away from all of their sins. If they will simply dedicate themselves to no longer to sin, that is the idea. God testing over and over again the validity of that dedication. Then God will know if they are truly devoted to him, then he will be able to finally make a decision as to whether or not they are heaven worthy. That is the idea in and in most people’s minds; it is the idea being promoted by ministers of righteousness. That is probation, not salvation. God is not testing or proving people today, in order to make a final decision as to whether or not to save them, or to keep them saved. All the saving work that God could possibly do, he has already done through Christ. God now holds forth the reconciliation that Christ has accomplished, in his mind, offering man the choice to either accept or reject that gift of salvation. Appreciation based on the reality of salvation, not apprehension based on religion’s message of probation. Christ was about action not about "being accepted" he didn't care and his character profile (if he was real) would even state that. He was a revolutionist of the time against the Empire, people joined him because he was fearless and beleived others' can be too. Even through the biblical texts we see that Christ was never about worship nor did he care for appreciation... if he did then how did he take his word and true self to the grave without surrendering? being completely alone. That's what his story is really about. What was Christ really against and what pushed him to rise? Christians do not ask this question enough. It is clear that Christ was sickened by the worship the "institutions" of the time were attaining from the people.. the complete surrender of man to a fictional man-made "institution". People kneeling before golden chalaces and before their overlords kneatly dressed in beautiful robes of silk and gold-leaf who sit on thrones of diamonds and gems (made and put together by a slave of course). People were afraid and all were being bred like sheep. Notice in the bible Jesus is often regarded as a sheppard it goes without question that Jesus was calling for man to be an individual and independant (Jesus represents the individual). Jesus Christ is one of the most misinterpreted people of all time - I beleive this is because he had influence so he couldn't "disapear" all that can be done is blasphemise, and twist the purpose from the start - Many people in time have accomplished what he has by deeds of selflessness and honor who took their word and self to the grave as did Christ, many time being the worst way possible through torture/pain etc... We see today the Church institutions being no different than what Jesus was against from the start. Jesus was just a man like any other and this is what he was "preaching" constantly in fact that was the foundation of what he was spreading - he being fearless and unsubmissive - beleiving every man has it in them to be so themselves. He is an example, he is not above us.
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Post by newnature on Mar 19, 2013 15:37:38 GMT -5
Well said, people around us need to know that we are real people in the process of maturing. We can't model perfection because we're not perfect; we can only model growth.
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 19, 2013 21:21:15 GMT -5
Well said, people around us need to know that we are real people in the process of maturing. We can't model perfection because we're not perfect; we can only model growth. It's all growth agreed, however do you think Jesus was perfect?
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Post by newnature on Mar 20, 2013 15:11:19 GMT -5
I would have to say he had pure blood like Adam had, before Adam fell. That is why Jesus is called the second Adam, Jesus blood was not corrupt because of the fall. I would have to say Jesus was perfect, although he was tempted every way we are, but he did not fall for the trap the way we do all the time with our sin nature. Did Jesus have that sin nature that we have? Not with that pure blood he had, what do you think?
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Post by ZhosDiletanti on Mar 20, 2013 18:42:58 GMT -5
I would have to say he had pure blood like Adam had, before Adam fell. ... What a load of shit...
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 20, 2013 22:58:57 GMT -5
I would have to say he had pure blood like Adam had, before Adam fell. That is why Jesus is called the second Adam, Jesus blood was not corrupt because of the fall. I would have to say Jesus was perfect, although he was tempted every way we are, but he did not fall for the trap the way we do all the time with our sin nature. Did Jesus have that sin nature that we have? Not with that pure blood he had, what do you think? He was just like any of us, and he most definitely sinned in his life to be able to come to the level with what he was doing nearing his end. Like we agreed on, it's about growth. He wasn't born all-knowing I think the is a fundamental misinterpretation many Christians make. How could he be born all-knowing and what purpose would that serve? We know nothing of his youth except that he was raised by a single mother and eventually got into carpentry, everything else is his "preaching". I have a totally different view of what Jesus may have been about, the traditional story and interpretation goes again historical logistics, yes spiritualism is a matter to take into account, but one cannot discount politics and history. Look carefully and we have many examples of Jesus'.
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