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Post by rex362 on Jul 9, 2013 11:48:09 GMT -5
Finally in English subtitles .....Enjoy !
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 9, 2013 20:31:38 GMT -5
Good maybe I can understand it too..
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Post by Balkaneros on Jul 11, 2013 15:20:14 GMT -5
It'd be foolish for any Greek to deny outsiders who have taken part in the Greek revolution, and to be honest I don't think Greeks do - its the embellishment from all sides which gets carried away. At the end of the day who cares, the Greek Revolution is a good example in our (Balkan) history where all our peoples' united regardless of national affiliation to take down the Empire and kick them out of our (Balkan) lands. This was a victory for all of us - and now we worry, complain and waste time figuring out where the "most" credit should go? Doesn't this defeat the purpose to begin with? I denied this for a long time, but we Balkan people have a backwards way of looking at things. We obviously didn't learn anything. === so rex, your point being; Greece/Greeks would be nothing without Albanians. How about you change your tone because this way of looking at things only keeps us on the backward track. Plus, you always had Albania, you could've done something with that
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Post by kapedan on Jul 11, 2013 20:51:07 GMT -5
I guess this is only the first part.
The documentary should carry on and elaborate about what happened to those Muslim Arbanites after the revolution till WW2.
Should also show what really happened to Marko Bocari and other Suliotes who spoked Arvanitika and never denied their roots.
I loved the part with the painting that it was copied from a black and white movie, about teaching greek. hahahahaha --
Greece joined Turkey to start the whitch hunt against everyone who spoked Arbanites.
Albanians were the only ones not to be allowed to have their own schools.
Vlah were persecuted too, but for some strange reason they saw themselves as Greeks??? And the strangest thing is that they wanted everyone to think so. Too bad Mr. Butka did not agree.
Yet the Vlah minority is still recognized nowadays in Albania meanwhile in Greece they are surpressed in the same level as Arbanites are.
Back to the documentary:
One more reason why a foreign prince "easily" ruled Greece was the fact of the diversity of population. People were divided and easier to control.
Wilhelm Widi did not succeed in Albania due to the compactness of the population. People were homogeneous and hold together.
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 12, 2013 11:55:53 GMT -5
If anyone suppressed Arbanites it's the Albanians themselves..If the central govt was albanian based as some of you suggest then who else?
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Post by kapedan on Jul 12, 2013 20:26:06 GMT -5
One more thingI wanted to add is related with the Greek historians that said: "Those Arbanites become more Greek than the Greeks themselves"
Arbanites were always more Greek than Greeks themselves even before the modern state of Greece was created. There is no such thing as a Greek race. Hellenism and Greek culture yes there is. There are Dorians, Illyrians, Thracians, Epirotans (all Pelasgian), then there are Ionians (Semitics).
Kanaris: OPEN THE ARCHIVES!
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Post by Balkaneros on Jul 12, 2013 20:58:08 GMT -5
One more thingI wanted to add is related with the Greek historians that said: "Those Arbanites become more Greek than the Greeks themselves" Arbanites were always more Greek than Greeks themselves even before the modern state of Greece was created. There is no such thing as a Greek race. Hellenism and Greek culture yes there is. There are Dorians, Illyrians, Thracians, Epirotans (all Pelasgian), then there are Ionians (Semitics). Kanaris: OPEN THE ARCHIVES! Perhaps that's the problem, you needed Albanians to be Albanian.
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Post by kapedan on Jul 13, 2013 8:56:53 GMT -5
And you expect me to start listen to a Serb explaining what an Albanian is? Bjatch pliz! You have already done it, and got bombed because of that. If you had the b*lls you would have done something about Greece not recognizing "Macedonians" and stop discriminating them so much. You are the most pathetic human being. On one side you talk about this Slavic brotherhood, and on the other you did not write not even one comment about Slavs being persecuted in Greece. FAKE! And this is btw Arbanites and Greece, so apart from what you ve read you have no other connection with this topic. Hajde, berzhe back to your Serbian page. One more thingI wanted to add is related with the Greek historians that said: "Those Arbanites become more Greek than the Greeks themselves" Arbanites were always more Greek than Greeks themselves even before the modern state of Greece was created. There is no such thing as a Greek race. Hellenism and Greek culture yes there is. There are Dorians, Illyrians, Thracians, Epirotans (all Pelasgian), then there are Ionians (Semitics). Kanaris: OPEN THE ARCHIVES! Perhaps that's the problem, you needed Albanians to be Albanian.
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Post by Balkaneros on Jul 13, 2013 12:20:09 GMT -5
Clearely the problem is Albania was never Albanian enough, notice how your most prominent history lies outside of your own country. Even discussion on origins - nothing is in Albania. Then you have the audacity to blame us for all the nothingness happening there, get the fuck outta here.
Your head is on backwards you don't even know where the fuck you're going and you know exactly what i'm talking about you fucking puss.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 15, 2013 10:56:19 GMT -5
One more thingI wanted to add is related with the Greek historians that said: "Those Arbanites become more Greek than the Greeks themselves" Arbanites were always more Greek than Greeks themselves even before the modern state of Greece was created. There is no such thing as a Greek race. Hellenism and Greek culture yes there is. There are Dorians, Illyrians, Thracians, Epirotans (all Pelasgian), then there are Ionians (Semitics). Kanaris: OPEN THE ARCHIVES! First of all,who are the Arbanites? There is no such thing as a Greek race? You mean as a homogenous cultural group in an ethnic sense? I thought the ancient Greeks were many made up of many Hellenic tribes who over time mostly melted into a mostly Greek Greek group in Greece? Then outside Greece,you have the Caucasian(from Caucasus) Greeks, the several Anatolian Greeks(Constantinopolean, Cappadocian, Smyrnian, Pontic) and the Cypriot Greeks. Ionians are Semites???
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jul 15, 2013 20:32:31 GMT -5
This video is a fake full of lies.whritten by traitors (from skai Tv channel ) Tatsopoulos, are well known as leftist and anti-Greek traitor !
Comment of Tatsopoulos : YES'' We demand the ADVICE OF THE TURKS TO DEVELOP''1821''
NAI ZHTHΣΑΜΕ ΤΙΣ ΣΥΜΒΟΥΛΕΣ ΤΩΝ ΤΟΥΡΚΩΝ ΓΙΑ ΝΑ ΦΤΙΑΞΟΥΜΕ ΤΟ 1821 !
The documentary 1821 on the greek channel Skai is rejected by the total (almost) of the historical community. Many historians around the Balcans and Greece are against it and they consider it a s**t of the NWO. I also quote that Tatsopoulos is not historian but journalist-writer and he never studied history.So,this sourse is not valuable! Hellenes are Hellenes and nothing else,First,Arvanites themselves declare Greeks.Kolokotronis declared that on his biography.The Arvanites historians Kolias and Botsaris also consider themselves direct descendants of the Greeks.Vlachs also feel the same and the biggest sponsors of the modern greek state were Vlachs like Averof,Tositsas and Zappas.Second,the international researchs of the universities Standford-USA,Pavia-Italy and Moscow-Russia prove that the modern Greeks are direct descendants of the ancient Greeks and that the prehistoric Greek,the ancient Greek,the medieval Greek and the modern Greek shared the same DNA. The historians also confirm that like link,Dora D Istria,etc.So,this theory for the albanian,slavic and turkish origin of modern Greeks are fairytales for the complex of the Albanians and Turks. Revolution has been by the Greeks and only from the Greeks.Albanians won last their freedom from the Ottomans in 1912 by the help of Austria and Italy.Untill then,they were aliens by the Turks because of the muslim faith.
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Post by kapedan on Jul 17, 2013 20:48:57 GMT -5
One more thingI wanted to add is related with the Greek historians that said: "Those Arbanites become more Greek than the Greeks themselves" Arbanites were always more Greek than Greeks themselves even before the modern state of Greece was created. There is no such thing as a Greek race. Hellenism and Greek culture yes there is. There are Dorians, Illyrians, Thracians, Epirotans (all Pelasgian), then there are Ionians (Semitics). Kanaris: OPEN THE ARCHIVES! First of all,who are the Arbanites? There is no such thing as a Greek race? You mean as a homogenous cultural group in an ethnic sense? I thought the ancient Greeks were many made up of many Hellenic tribes who over time mostly melted into a mostly Greek Greek group in Greece? Then outside Greece,you have the Caucasian(from Caucasus) Greeks, the several Anatolian Greeks(Constantinopolean, Cappadocian, Smyrnian, Pontic) and the Cypriot Greeks. Ionians are Semites??? Arbanites are Arbers (medival Albanians) who dwellt in South Epir, and little bit before middle ages they settled in Pelepones. Maybe some of them fought for Gjin Bue Shpata. If you have a chance read about Aristidh Kola, he was an Arbanites living in Pelepones who wrote "Language of Gods" and "Origin of Greeks". The term Graeci came after the Ionians settled in Balkan. Ionians were Semitics (Julius Flavius - Jewish Antiquity), and yes nowadays greeks take pride into that,because their name is mentioned in the bible (tell me how dum is that). All the other ancient tribes living in south Balkan during the iron ages: Aeolians and Achaeans were pushed out of their lands form the Dorian invasions. Dorians were Pelasgic tribes coming from the north. Ionians dwelt in nowaday Anatolia, not very far from the Semitic craddle. Ionians welcomed tribes that were pushed from Dorians. It was the Ionains themsleves that borrowed the semitic alphabet from the Phoenicians. Phoenicians themselves were taught by the Pelasgians long time before than the Ioanins settled in Balkan.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jul 21, 2013 3:39:22 GMT -5
All Arvanites had Greek names, and proudly declared themselves as Greeks. They joined the Greek patriotic society known as filiki eteria and swore liberty or death for *Greece* only. Not Albania, but Greece. Not to mention that they were only a fraction of the Greeks that fought Greece. Most of the Greek revolutionaries weren't even arvanites. Arvanites despised Albanians (Christian & Muslim alike) and fought ferociously against them until their holocaust was carried out by those despised Albanians.
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Post by rex362 on Jul 28, 2013 18:01:50 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Jul 28, 2013 18:03:24 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Jul 28, 2013 18:04:38 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Jul 28, 2013 18:06:13 GMT -5
So were the IPSARIOTS ! Att: Canaris
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Post by rex362 on Jul 28, 2013 18:10:27 GMT -5
Tozer, Henry Fanshawe, 1829-1916
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Post by rex362 on Jul 28, 2013 18:12:20 GMT -5
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 30, 2013 12:03:39 GMT -5
All Arvanites had Greek names, and proudly declared themselves as Greeks. They joined the Greek patriotic society known as filiki eteria and swore liberty or death for *Greece* only. Not Albania, but Greece. Not to mention that they were only a fraction of the Greeks that fought Greece. Most of the Greek revolutionaries weren't even arvanites. Arvanites despised Albanians (Christian & Muslim alike) and fought ferociously against them until their holocaust was carried out by those despised Albanians. I feel like laughing!
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