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Post by yahadj on Nov 14, 2007 14:08:16 GMT -5
Hmmm, Interesting...
Are we being decieved? Why?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 14, 2007 15:18:50 GMT -5
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Post by Teuta1975 on Nov 14, 2007 15:47:30 GMT -5
All I know is that if one goes on top of Dajti Mountain and looks down the city of Tirana, will see nothing more but a huge cloud of dust and pollution. Same thing I've noticed in Athens! So, this cloud does affect the environment and is not created all by itself. Climate changes have always been occurring on Earth, but we are accelerating the process. I would say more than a global warming, humans are contributing in damaging the lives of beings of this planet towards an allienation?!
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Post by donnie on Nov 14, 2007 18:40:29 GMT -5
For the sake of truth, I'll admit I haven't seen the documentary (yet). I'll try to comment nevertheless, as I saw the first part a little briefly.
It looked like a scientific documentary, and as such, it will be on my "must watch" list. However, an advice for you Yahac; just because they make a persuasive argument for their point, doesn't justify the complete dismissal of all the arguments provided by the other, 'green', side. Watching Al Gore's Oscar winning documentary (which I have not seen either), I'm sure the viewer will experience an opposite, equally persuading feeling, though granted that much of the selling arguments circulate around fear which is quite effective. It's resulted in the "green hysteria" around the world. Nevertheless, world leading scientists have concluded that human activity has led to a so called "global warming". It isn't wise to dismiss the world's elite scientists with a youtube video as a basis.
Granted it is difficult to concretely proove that environmental change is caused by human activity. The climate change and has done so ever since earth's birth. During the Scandinavian bronze age, the climate resembled very much a Mediterranean one. While 10,000 years ago, what is northern Europe of today was covered by an ice sheet which covered Scandinavia, the British Isles and much more. And 10,000 years ago in an earthly context isn't particularly a long time; there are speculations we might head towards another Ice Age.
HOWEVER, it is equally hard to counter and say that human activity, at the very least, does not accelerate natural change in the climate, as Teuta said. And global warming isn't the sole issue. The pollution of our environment, e.g. lakes, rivers etc., the felling of forests and so forth, are other issues related to human activity, specifically unproportionate exploitation of natural resources. And the damage of such natural resources can be quite devastating, even if the climate changes are unrelated to human discharge of carbon dioxide.
So, even if (hypothetically speaking) the whole global warming theory is an intentional hoax with motives behind it, I do not see it negatively. Because, the green hysteria hasn't just led to a greater demand of controlling human discharge, but also to demands of better preserving natural resources. A heavily trafficked city such as Santiago might not have a decisive impact if the climate goes up a couple of degrees within 100 years or so, but it is nevertheless damaging to its inhabitants' health. A brownish-grey atmosphere, as my father who's visited Chile described, opver the city cannot possible be a positive factor when it concerns the people's health.
If a white lie helps improving the environment, so be it. What happens when China & India start improving their standards significiantly, when ordinary people reach the living standards of an average Western country? What happens when a majority of Indians and Chinese decide to buy a car, or two, as a means of luxoury? Certainly that will have a massive effect on the environment ... if not on the climate change, definetely on the nature and city environments which, especially in India, are already on the decay. That is a true challenge. But what moral right will westerners have to ask Indians and the Chinese to abstain from allowing themselves the same luxory as the average European or American enjoy? Unless Europe and the US adopt a different role as an example of protectors of the nature and environmentally conscious socities!
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Post by yahadj on Nov 15, 2007 10:49:54 GMT -5
That is the real question. My answer: the West had enough of it. It is time to share. So gave away your cars to Chinese and Indians and use the Chinese bikes, instead.0 I think that solution is the most fair exchange. But denying confort to others because you don't want yours to be taking away is selfish and hypocrite...
But is that going to happen? No... West is trying to put pressure on the development of those developing countries with the pretext of global warming... Isn't that clear?
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