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Post by greek1234 on Nov 19, 2007 11:30:59 GMT -5
You people need help. Prostitution and crime is a big problem in Albania. Before you can even think about joining the European union which i personally believe you wouldn't fit in i suggest you clean up your streets.
What really concerned me was this.
"I'VE seen girls with bruises, they come in with stitches, black eyes, you name it," the pimp says. He points out the dull redbrick block of flats, round the back of Piccadilly Circus in central London, where he claims prostitution organised by Albanian gangs is based. He claims the sex workers, brought into the country illegally, have to pay the men who control them [pound]420 a night. If they don't make the money, they face physical abuse.
"More than 8,000 Albanian girls are prostituted in Italy, and more than 30% of them are under 18 years, stressed participants of a seminar in Tirana, Albania on the international traffic of women and children. The main reason for this trafficking is the economic inequality between richer countries and the poverty in Albania. The speakers asked governments and politicians to take measures to ensure that human rights are respected. (G.J. Koja, "8000 Albanian Girls Work as Prostitutes in Italy," HURINet – The Human Rights Information Network, 25 July 1998)"
It seems to me Albania is the prime cause for illegal crime and prostitution. Albania clean up your streets. You are destroying Europe with your drugs and prostitutes.
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Post by viktor1 on Nov 19, 2007 13:15:27 GMT -5
We know, but sometimes to problems u can't do nothing..even u see it!!! Get it
The Government is working with Mafia, meanwhile the citizens r working the hard as they can.
Europe is anti-Albanian, from the beginning, even the history has own facts...anyway we have bigger problems, we have to solve biggest first
anyway u r right, this is shame
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Post by Teuta1975 on Nov 20, 2007 0:28:32 GMT -5
I have heard this. I am not proud of it. But these girls are afraid of authorities of respective countries to inform the police (because get deported) and also afraid of the "tutors" and/or tutor's friends, who are gonna find them if they get back to their countries and kill them if they speak! What can they do? PS: is not only for Albanians. Is for other countries too, but since Albanians are the major group of immigrants in Greece and Italy, the phenomen is most spread. Haven't heard any Albanian prostitute in USA, Canada or Australia! Have you?
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Post by greek1234 on Nov 20, 2007 6:31:24 GMT -5
I think its mainly in Europe...
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 20, 2007 11:27:34 GMT -5
I think the Romanians pose a bigger problem and they are in the E.U.That was one big mistake to let them in... Italy is already deporting over 150 of them for crimes commited.
Albanians have somehow improved over the years they make the news less and less.....
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Post by kasso on Nov 20, 2007 14:36:00 GMT -5
Greek1234,
I think Greece should cleans their streets as well, they have one of the highest prostitution activity in Europe! Prostitutes are mainly from poor European countries like Albania but the pimps are almost from rich European countries like Greece. So stop your pimps from entering our country and taken our womens, forcing them into prostitution.
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Post by greek1234 on Nov 20, 2007 18:35:33 GMT -5
It is not done by Greeks most of the crime is controlled by the Albanian mafia. That brings me to my second point Albania should clean up its nations crime problem before it can even think of joining the European Union. The Albanian crime wave has effected not only Albania but the whole of Europe especially Greece, Italy and Britian.
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Post by greekslav on Nov 20, 2007 19:14:29 GMT -5
I agree, Kasso. Greece needs to clean up their streets before slamming another country about theirs:
Greece: Justice and protection for trafficked women and girls Posted: 12 June 2007
Despite the enormous scale of trafficking of women and girls for forced prostitution in Greece, the government has failed to guarantee them protection and justice, said Amnesty International in a new report published today (12 June).
Many women and girls are denied protection in Greece because help is conditional upon them agreeing to testify against their traffickers, which they are often too terrified to do - meaning their traffickers escape justice. Thousands more are never identified as trafficked, are simply treated as 'illegals' and are even deported.
Trafficking for forced prostitution in Greece is believed to have increased tenfold from 1990 to 1997. According to non-governmental organisations (NGOs), in 2000 alone, up to 90,000 people are believed to have been trafficked into Greece from central and eastern Europe, a large number of whom were women trafficked for prostitution.
The new Amnesty International report, 'Greece: Uphold the rights of women and girls trafficked for sexual exploitation', looks at the scale of trafficking into Greece for forced prostitution, and points to gaps in Greek law and practice on trafficking that undermine the efforts to help trafficked women and girls.
It includes the case of 'Aleksa', who comes from eastern Europe. She was taken to Greece and forced into prostitution. She was detained by the Greek authorities because she did not have the necessary documents. Aleksa was offered protection by the Greek authorities only if she cooperated in bringing her traffickers to trial. Now she dreads testifying against them in court because the police protection she is offered is not adequate and she is afraid her attackers or their associates will come after her.
Nicola Duckworth, Europe and Central Asia Programme Director at Amnesty International, said:
"In the face of this modern form of slavery, continued protection for trafficked women is made conditional on their willingness to testify in court against their traffickers. Some are silenced by threats of reprisals from their traffickers. As a result, traffickers escape justice while their victims do not get assistance.
"An effective witness protection programme is not on offer, nor is relocation to another country where trafficked women might escape reprisals."
Governments are obliged to prevent, investigate and prosecute trafficking and to ensure protection to those who have been subjected to it. Although the Greek government has introduced a series of new laws since 2002, and has signed up to but not yet ratified the European Convention Against Trafficking, it has failed to correctly identify most trafficked women and only a few have received limited protection or other assistance.
Ratification of the European Convention would require Greece to grant protection to victims without obliging them to agree to testify in court. The UK has also still to ratify this Convention.
The report points to two major failings in the way Greece currently handles trafficking for forced prostitution:
Failure to identify women and girls as "victims of trafficking"; many are instead detained and prosecuted for unlicensed prostitution or illegal entry, and deported only to be trafficked yet again. Police are poorly trained to identify trafficked women, especially outside the big cities, while the women are afraid to come forward. According to official statistics, between 100 and 200 women and children are identified each year as having been trafficked. Local NGOs estimate the number of trafficked women and girls that remain unidentified each year to be in the thousands;
Obiging women and girls to agree to testify against their traffickers as a condition for receiving support and protection; victims of trafficking have to decide in just 30 days whether they will cooperate with police in exposing the traffickers. In exchange for such cooperation they receive short-term residence permits and further assistance and protection. However, in some cases, women are afraid to testify for fear of reprisals and they face deportation. The future of trafficked women whose traffickers are not being pursued and whose cooperation is not being requested remains unclear
Nicola Duckworth continued:
"The system of 'cooperation in exchange for protection' is deeply flawed. It undermines the rights of women to assistance and protection irrespective of whether they cooperate or not.
"Women are trapped between fear of reprisal against themselves or their families from the traffickers, and the pressure from police for cooperation. Bringing traffickers to justice should not be at the expense of the protection of the rights of the trafficked women."
Give these women in Greece that are forced to prostitute total protection and they will talk. Then Greece can do something about cleaning up their streets.
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Post by greek1234 on Nov 20, 2007 19:19:05 GMT -5
Like i said Albanians are the key commuters. Off course Greece has crime i never stated they did not. What my whole point is, is that Albania has a serious problem and it has started to effect other European nations in particular European Union members.
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Post by greekslav on Nov 20, 2007 19:22:17 GMT -5
Human Trafficking & Modern-day Slavery
The Republic of Albania [ Country-by-Country Reports ]
The Republic of Albania [map] is located on the Adriatic Sea coast of the Balkan Peninsula, between Serbia and Montenegro on the north, Macedonia on the east, and Greece on the south. Tiranë is the capital and largest city. Poor and backward by European standards, Albania is making the difficult transition to a more modern open-market economy. The government has taken measures to curb violent crime and to spur economic activity and trade. The economy is bolstered by annual remittances from abroad of $600-$800 million, mostly from Greece and Italy; this helps offset the towering trade deficit.
Albania is a country of origin for women and girls trafficked transnationally and internally for the purpose of commercial sexual exploitation; it is no longer considered a major country of transit, and it is not a significant country of destination. Albanian victims are trafficked to Greece and Italy, with many trafficked onward to the United Kingdom, France, Belgium, Norway, Germany and the Netherlands. Internal sex trafficking of women and children is on the rise. - U.S. State Dept Trafficking in Persons Report, June, 2007
Note this, that Albania is the country of origin for trafficked women to Greece and Italy. Why? There is only one reason, and that is demand. That is another problem and Greece needs to persecute those that use these girls for their pleasures.
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Post by greekslav on Nov 20, 2007 19:30:01 GMT -5
Greek1234, the demand for these girls feeds the fire.
Do you disapprove of prostitution? I am assuming that you do, from your comment about Albania and prostitution being a problem there.
So I ask you, why is prostitution legal in Greece? Do you approve of prostitution in Greece?
Legal prostitution in Greece creates a demand for these girls. That is another factor that feeds the fire, Greek1234.
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 20, 2007 19:33:31 GMT -5
IT's also a problem that has it's root in neighborhood countries.... they have to put in their share... and protect their women... instead of dreaming about buying new aircraft for their air force.
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Post by greekslav on Nov 20, 2007 19:54:22 GMT -5
The two countries with the largest demand for these girls are Greece and Italy.
Granted, Albania has its problems with the exportation of these girls to those countries that have a demand. But most of the girls are not the problem. They are lied to and everything taken from them so they have to comply, or they are dead. You can not blame them.
And many are not Albanian girls. Many of the girls that are lied to, then forced to prostitute, coming out of Albania, are from Moldova, the Ukraine, Bulgaria and Romania. They are sold to individuals in Albania, then sent on to Greece, Italy, Kosovo, and other countries in western Europe.
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 20, 2007 20:05:54 GMT -5
Demand goes up when availability becomes so common.
In the 60's and 70's we had the local prostitutes ,everyone knew who they were and the 'johns' were far a few inbetween.... Nowadays... the business has become too lucrative and the pimps use intimidation and drugs to keep these girls in line..they are sold like commodities all over the world..
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Post by kasso on Nov 21, 2007 11:39:05 GMT -5
Greek1234,
what is exactly is your point, to drag our name into the mud or are you trying to say that our problem is your problem. If you mean the second thing than we should fix the problem together.
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Post by ahristos on Nov 23, 2007 13:14:28 GMT -5
canabis is made in AL_banyja
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