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Post by Pyrros on May 30, 2022 12:03:26 GMT -5
Well of course. Modern Greeks are more mixed than ancient Greeks (northern mixture). Its inevitable, numerous northern Europeans came, settled, and mixed with the people of Bronze & Iron age settlers (from which ancient Greeks have origin). Ancient Greeks by all accounts were more like modern Sicilians or very south corners of Italy. To Ulf and Pyrro, Modern Greeks do have Slavic (Serbian) ancestry, this is not conspiracy. If we only simply look at genetics, Greeks are roughly 25% or so Serbian, Y-DNA I2a (15%) and R1a (10 - 12%). Genuine ‘Greek’ Y-DNA is EV13 and J1/2…….tell me if I’m wrong guys! Martin Bernal, before genetics were used, wrote a book called ‘Black Athena’. Again, I’m not taking Martin Bernal as gospel……interesting…….  ??
Novi take a look at my vid, those are what Greeks used to look like. Listen to their music, purely like ORTHODOX music, why?? because the first Orthodox music had GREEK scales and modes....
I know about Vlahs, since I am one. We have :
ZERO Greek traits ZERO Slavic traits
TruGreeks tend to get along with Slavs.
So Novi I dont agree that we have Slavic souls. We and the Maks have similar looks, BUT , maks have this spirit, this joy, this kindness, they differ from us the Vlahs. Heck just compare the music....
True Vlah music :
True Slav music : (50km away)
THERE IS GREAT MENTAL AND CULTURAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAKS/SLAVS and VLAHS.
SLAVS CLOSER TO TruGreeks.
And no looks do not differ between the 3 groups (south Slavs, Vlahs, truGreeks).
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2022 9:33:15 GMT -5
Well of course. Modern Greeks are more mixed than ancient Greeks (northern mixture). Its inevitable, numerous northern Europeans came, settled, and mixed with the people of Bronze & Iron age settlers (from which ancient Greeks have origin). Ancient Greeks by all accounts were more like modern Sicilians or very south corners of Italy. To Ulf and Pyrro, Modern Greeks do have Slavic (Serbian) ancestry, this is not conspiracy. If we only simply look at genetics, Greeks are roughly 25% or so Serbian, Y-DNA I2a (15%) and R1a (10 - 12%). Genuine ‘Greek’ Y-DNA is EV13 and J1/2…….tell me if I’m wrong guys! Martin Bernal, before genetics were used, wrote a book called ‘Black Athena’. Again, I’m not taking Martin Bernal as gospel……interesting……. ?? Well the ancient Greeks weren't black. They were just on darker specter of modern European (white) people. They were early European farmers: cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Neolithic_farmer_admixture.pngMost similar to Maltese and Sicilians today. Here you can check all admixtures per nations(averages): www.eupedia.com/images/content/North_European-admixture.pngcache.eupedia.com/images/content/Atlantic_Med-admixture.pngwww.eupedia.com/images/maps/Gedrosian-admixture.pngwww.eupedia.com/images/maps/Caucasian-admixture.pngwww.eupedia.com/images/maps/Southwest-Asian-admixture_K12b.pngwww.eupedia.com/images/maps/North_African-admixture.png |
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 1, 2022 18:55:24 GMT -5
Ulf, l have no comment about gamma waves. Monks or whatever have ‘travelled’. High deep meditation does bring you closer to god, scientists who think are an authority of all matters, who are NOT religious, will never have the answer.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 1, 2022 19:38:02 GMT -5
To Ulf and Pyrro, Modern Greeks do have Slavic (Serbian) ancestry, this is not conspiracy. If we only simply look at genetics, Greeks are roughly 25% or so Serbian, Y-DNA I2a (15%) and R1a (10 - 12%). Genuine ‘Greek’ Y-DNA is EV13 and J1/2…….tell me if I’m wrong guys! Martin Bernal, before genetics were used, wrote a book called ‘Black Athena’. Again, I’m not taking Martin Bernal as gospel……interesting……. ??
Novi take a look at my vid, those are what Greeks used to look like. Listen to their music, purely like ORTHODOX music, why?? because the first Orthodox music had GREEK scales and modes....
I know about Vlahs, since I am one. We have :
ZERO Greek traits ZERO Slavic traits
TruGreeks tend to get along with Slavs.
So Novi I dont agree that we have Slavic souls. We and the Maks have similar looks, BUT , maks have this spirit, this joy, this kindness, they differ from us the Vlahs. Heck just compare the music....
True Vlah music :
True Slav music : (50km away)
THERE IS GREAT MENTAL AND CULTURAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAKS/SLAVS and VLAHS.
SLAVS CLOSER TO TruGreeks.
And no looks do not differ between the 3 groups (south Slavs, Vlahs, truGreeks).
Brate, Serbs genetically dominates Haplogroup I2a/b + I1 (roughly at 50 to 55%). Followed by EV13 (attributed to Greek colonists?) at roughly 20% then R1a (some call the Slavic marker?) at roughly 15%. What is really interesting haplogroup I2 dominates the island of SARDinia, whilst for the rest of Italy it’s not more than 1 - 5%. Haplogroup Y - DNA (I) dominates Scandinavia (Denmark, Sweden, Norway etc….) I’ve been told our Roma/Gypsies would steal new born babies from ‘whites’, these children would be raised and taught their way of life……as you know, behaviour breeds behaviour unless one can identify a ‘fault’, if not, it will continue. Roma/Gypsies dominates Y-DNA (H) Indian then followed by EV13 and R1a, most likely picked up when passing through Kosovo? Pyrro, as a Southern Serb/Kosovo Serb, there is a good chance l might classify genetically as EV13, its the highest concentration of this haplogroup in Europe, roughly 50% of males from Kosovo have it, either Albanian or Serb. Look at the difference between both groups. The Greek people (male lineage) do have markers that do identify with Serbs, particularly of I2a and R1a haplogroups, YES, these two are more common in northern Greece, I’ve read I2a reaches upto 30% and ‘l think’ R1a is also 30% for the population of Northern Greece like Thrace or Macedonia. However, you can find both these haplogroups in lesser percentages throughout Greece, it doesn’t matter whether your Slav, Arvaniti, Vlah or whatever. What is the ‘more’ dominating haplogroups for Greeks are Y-DNA J (Semitic) and E (African), they both occur at roughly 30% for the population of Greece, again you can find these haplogroups with Slavs too. Overall, Greece doesn’t really have an overall dominating haplogroup, it’s a very mixed region. Look at Italy, 50% of male lineage is RIb (Turko - Arbins), in fact, this haplogroup dominates most of western euros (Germans, English, Irish, Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, French, Scots, Welsh etc….) R1b is one of the least represented haplogroup with Serbs, roughly 5% lol |
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 1, 2022 19:48:12 GMT -5
“Most similar to Maltese and Sicilians today.”
Ulf, Maltese and Sicilians strongly represents Y-DNA (J) Semitic. Sicily was ruled by Arabs and language spoken there was Sculo-Arabic, akin to modern Arabic. Greeks have a stronger leaning with Y - DNA (J) and Y - DNA (E), when you read about genetic papers the authors will attribute the spread of Y - DNA (E) of Greek colonists?
What surprises me, Pyrro you’ll be interested, that in Greek Macedonia or Thrace, with the population transfer from Turkey, the percentage of Y - DNA (I) and R1a is still strongly represented there. I would had imagined that Haplogroups J or even G would had sharply increased?
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Post by Pyrros on Jun 2, 2022 7:28:34 GMT -5
asia minor costumes look like srem/vojvodina wtf?
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Post by Pyrros on Jun 2, 2022 7:30:58 GMT -5
no too many EV13 whateva I guess?
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Post by Pyrros on Jun 2, 2022 13:04:03 GMT -5
Vlahs are closer to this I guess :
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 7, 2022 18:19:32 GMT -5
no too many EV13 whateva I guess?
Brate, it’s not about looks, it’s about in our blood. Southern Serbs are much less Y-DNA I2a and much more EV13. Bosnian Serbs, funny enough, are on average more EV13 than Serbs on average as a whole. The Finnish people are 60% Y-DNA (N) East/North Asian Mongolid. The Finnish male lineage is most distant and they are the most ‘blond’. What would interest you, apparently the basketballer Nikola Jokic’s family lineage is Y-DNA N1c (East/North Asian) and he is much lighter, blonder than Serbian average. This Y-DNA N1c is approx 2% of Serb male lineage, overall, more frequent with Bosnian Serb men…….l heard it arrived with Turkic Mongolian Pechenegs who settled inside Bosnia. Weird, but that’s what it is. |
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Post by Pyrros on Jun 8, 2022 1:49:53 GMT -5
this DNA research i think is crap, I had proven to @ulf (and Ulf has it easily, he is much smarter than me), that talking 10 generations back, tracing the male lineage equals to 1/2^10 DNA = 1/1024 = 0.001 ,
so this is nothing man.... Jokic looks are typical Bosnian.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 8, 2022 4:44:18 GMT -5
Ulf, interesting. When you have a look at Serbs and Y-DNA breakdown, haplogroup E (African) is second most prevalent after paleo European I. Slavic haplogroup R1a is 3rd commonest. When l read about haplogroup Y-DNA R1b originally as Euro-Asian and bearers of this Haplogroup in Ancient times spoke agglutinative languages like Turkic, but R1a did not, and were bearers of indo-Europeans, l find hard to believe is accurate. R1a and R1b haplogroups are ‘brothers’………in my humble opinion, both were Turkic groups like today’s Bashkirs of Central Asia. I believe R1a, who arrived into Europe peacefully, encountered Haplogroup I and were Europeanised and spread throughout Europe. What is interesting, semites, who are predominately bearers of haplogroup J speak languages that are NON-AGGLUTINATIVE. In the ancient times before haplogroups (J) and (I) became their own groups, they were ONE, known as haplogroup (IJ). Haplogroup (I) broke away and developed in Europe with their own form of non-agglutinative language (pre-indoeuropean) whilst haplogroup (J) migrated into the Arabian peninsula and developed their own non-agglutinative languages (pre-Semitic). I do believe Indian writers who say R1a in India is more diverse and older, considering India is closer to the birth place of Haplogroup R (Siberia). When aryans who arrived into India approx 4,000 years ago bringing in with them Europeanised R1a back into India with their Aryan language. I read in the past about some Iranian writers who claim they weren’t originally ‘Aryan’ but Turkics whom the Aryans from Europe brought with them the Aryan tongue into Iran. Iran is predominately Y-DNA R1a, whom some will say are…….Slavic. Real Slavic is haplogroup (I) |
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Post by Pyrros on Jun 9, 2022 3:57:41 GMT -5
Slavs - IRAN - INDIA = the first nations/cultures baltics = second greeks - latins - germanics = third celtics = I dont give a ch1t!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 9, 2022 6:54:33 GMT -5
Slavs - IRAN - INDIA = the first nations/cultures baltics = second greeks - latins - germanics = third celtics = I dont give a ch1t!
I luv ya man lol……..Celtics = l don’t give a ch1t lol Pyrro brate, mainstream ‘outdated’ Germanic Nordic School of history spoke and wrote about CELTICS being the most wide spread and influencer of other language divisions throughout Europe. I seriously do believe bearers of Haplogroup (I) paleo Europeans, predominantly found in Balkans and Scandinavia were those ones who spoke pre indo-european language (maybe pre-slavic?). The Iranians, Indians, Afghanis etc…were Turkics who became Aryanised. The Western Europeans which dominate haplogroup R1b, ancient Turkics, conquered Western Europe and pretty much had cleansed males of haplogroups (I) and (R1a) roughly 4000 years ago. How did these conquerors manage to later speak Aryan, like Celtic? Well, when these males conquered Western Europe they exterminated males of haplogroups (I) and (R1a) and sired with women of those males they exterminated. Generally, the result is women will pass on their language to the children they birth, hence, people of Celtic world who are strongly represented by R1b (Germanics and most Latins) speak an Aryan derived language form. Some linguists are perplexed why Spanish has a few Turkic words in their lexicon………doesn’t surprise me my brate. Look at today, R1b predominant populations like Spanish Latins and English Germanics had cleansed the new world of North and South America…….l’ll be fair, in this instance, not sure how much involvement were the old bankers had controlling their empires etc….The American Empire today of 2022 isn’t American but run out of City of London and the City of the Vatican, with about another of couple of layers above them too lol Pyrro, have a read of Mario Alinei, he spoke about Latin, Slavic and Greek languages borrowing from each other in the Ancient Times. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 10:51:11 GMT -5
Slavs - IRAN - INDIA = the first nations/cultures baltics = second greeks - latins - germanics = third celtics = I dont give a ch1t!
I luv ya man lol……..Celtics = l don’t give a ch1t lol Pyrro brate, mainstream ‘outdated’ Germanic Nordic School of history spoke and wrote about CELTICS being the most wide spread and influencer of other language divisions throughout Europe. I seriously do believe bearers of Haplogroup (I) paleo Europeans, predominantly found in Balkans and Scandinavia were those ones who spoke pre indo-european language (maybe pre-slavic?). The Iranians, Indians, Afghanis etc…were Turkics who became Aryanised. The Western Europeans which dominate haplogroup R1b, ancient Turkics, conquered Western Europe and pretty much had cleansed males of haplogroups (I) and (R1a) roughly 4000 years ago. How did these conquerors manage to later speak Aryan, like Celtic? Well, when these males conquered Western Europe they exterminated males of haplogroups (I) and (R1a) and sired with women of those males they exterminated. Generally, the result is women will pass on their language to the children they birth, hence, people of Celtic world who are strongly represented by R1b (Germanics and most Latins) speak an Aryan derived language form. Some linguists are perplexed why Spanish has a few Turkic words in their lexicon………doesn’t surprise me my brate. Look at today, R1b predominant populations like Spanish Latins and English Germanics had cleansed the new world of North and South America…….l’ll be fair, in this instance, not sure how much involvement were the old bankers had controlling their empires etc….The American Empire today of 2022 isn’t American but run out of City of London and the City of the Vatican, with about another of couple of layers above them too lol Pyrro, have a read of Mario Alinei, he spoke about Latin, Slavic and Greek languages borrowing from each other in the Ancient Times. Haplogroups R1b and I2a formed Urnfield culture. This roughly encompassed:  This roughly corresponds to what Greco-Romans describe as Germanic and Celtic world of that period. Of course, its silly to take their words accurately because they pretty much did not care whether or not they classified those barbarians correctly on not. It was just umbrella term for them. When Indo-European (predecessors of Slavs), who carried R1a genes, moved westwards they probably took on some of the capable fighting men of R1b and I2a origin, maybe even whole tribes. That's how we ended up with I2a but Slavic culture. If you are still not convinced check this video: Check genetic summary and see that some of those combatants correspond to today southern Europeans. |
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Post by Pyrros on Jun 10, 2022 2:38:17 GMT -5
you guys being Slavic view the rest of cultures as smth distant and magical.
But I am telling you ..... 5000 slavic toponyms were existing in Greece till 1926, when those saksans wiped the place and erased all tru history.
And those toponyms sounded like Bulgarian/Serbian/Makedonian, some... But many of them sounded like Russian or Ukrainian...
This is not simple. Please focus more on the Slavic part.
If Slavs were insignificant then NWO demons of death would not spend BILLIONS on erasing your history EVERYWHERE.
any book of his to check out speaking about Slavic?
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Post by Pyrros on Jun 10, 2022 2:47:17 GMT -5
first of all those scandi germanos clowns should explain :
SVENSKA (wtf) islandska (WTF)
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 11, 2022 20:54:24 GMT -5
I luv ya man lol……..Celtics = l don’t give a ch1t lol Pyrro brate, mainstream ‘outdated’ Germanic Nordic School of history spoke and wrote about CELTICS being the most wide spread and influencer of other language divisions throughout Europe. I seriously do believe bearers of Haplogroup (I) paleo Europeans, predominantly found in Balkans and Scandinavia were those ones who spoke pre indo-european language (maybe pre-slavic?). The Iranians, Indians, Afghanis etc…were Turkics who became Aryanised. The Western Europeans which dominate haplogroup R1b, ancient Turkics, conquered Western Europe and pretty much had cleansed males of haplogroups (I) and (R1a) roughly 4000 years ago. How did these conquerors manage to later speak Aryan, like Celtic? Well, when these males conquered Western Europe they exterminated males of haplogroups (I) and (R1a) and sired with women of those males they exterminated. Generally, the result is women will pass on their language to the children they birth, hence, people of Celtic world who are strongly represented by R1b (Germanics and most Latins) speak an Aryan derived language form. Some linguists are perplexed why Spanish has a few Turkic words in their lexicon………doesn’t surprise me my brate. Look at today, R1b predominant populations like Spanish Latins and English Germanics had cleansed the new world of North and South America…….l’ll be fair, in this instance, not sure how much involvement were the old bankers had controlling their empires etc….The American Empire today of 2022 isn’t American but run out of City of London and the City of the Vatican, with about another of couple of layers above them too lol Pyrro, have a read of Mario Alinei, he spoke about Latin, Slavic and Greek languages borrowing from each other in the Ancient Times. Haplogroups R1b and I2a formed Urnfield culture. This roughly encompassed: This roughly corresponds to what Greco-Romans describe as Germanic and Celtic world of that period. Of course, its silly to take their words accurately because they pretty much did not care whether or not they classified those barbarians correctly on not. It was just umbrella term for them. When Indo-European (predecessors of Slavs), who carried R1a genes, moved westwards they probably took on some of the capable fighting men of R1b and I2a origin, maybe even whole tribes. That's how we ended up with I2a but Slavic culture. If you are still not convinced check this video: Check genetic summary and see that some of those combatants correspond to today southern Europeans. Good Vid Ulf, yes there have been borrowings and some integration between people and genetic flow from one to another etc….No nation is 100% pure. My point Ulf was haplogroup (I) being the only Haplogroup in Europe that is autochthonous to Europe, it ‘evolved’ only in Europe and no where else. Anatoly Klyosov in his works calls the bearers of haplogroup Y-DNA R1b as Arbins (Turkic) who spoke agglutinative languages, whilst he at the same time classifies R1a as the forefathers of Aryan languages? This does not make any sense to me, both R1a and R1b branched from haplogroup R, however R1a is only a matter of 1000 years older than R1b, both originated in Siberia roughly 25,000 years ago. R1a and R1b are brothers, whilst R1a was known to arrive in Europe as ‘Aryan’ speaking mass from Asia, then Arbins R1b group arrive into Europe roughly 4000 years ago from Asia via North Africa (Cameroonians from Central Africa are strongly R1b). In my humble opinion l believe R1a was also originally Turkic like R1b, there is no other logical sense. These groups brought horses into Europe, right? There is only two scenarios, either bearers of (I) were the original speakers of Pre-Agglutinative Aryan language, considering Semites who also speak Non Agglutinative Languages and are bearers of haplogroup (J) were at one point in time unified haplogroup with (I) as (IJ). Today with extreme rare % in Iran, there are individuals who are Y-DNA (IJ). OR When bearers of haplogroup R1a settled amongst populations of (I) roughly 12000 years ago the birthing of an Aryan language occurred. We have a Vinca Culture and a writing system from that which is too closely comparable with modern Cyrillic. Vinca culture was birthed roughly 12,000 years ago around the Danube basin. Anotoly Klyosov said Oldest R1a samples from Europe are from Serbia, Macedonia, Greece (Balkans/Helm), dated at 12,000 years old. Last known Vinca Culture stronghold before it disappeared was in the island of Crete, Greece 3,000 years ago? Pyrro could shed more light here, tell me if l’m wrong, haplogroups (I) and (R1a) do have a common occurrence with the locals? |
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 11, 2022 21:09:12 GMT -5
Had a quick look on-line and saw figures for Crete, Greece and roughly 10% of males (R1a) and (I) 15% (25% Slavic?)
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 11, 2022 21:29:59 GMT -5
you guys being Slavic view the rest of cultures as smth distant and magical.
But I am telling you ..... 5000 slavic toponyms were existing in Greece till 1926, when those saksans wiped the place and erased all tru history.
And those toponyms sounded like Bulgarian/Serbian/Makedonian, some... But many of them sounded like Russian or Ukrainian...
This is not simple. Please focus more on the Slavic part.
If Slavs were insignificant then NWO demons of death would not spend BILLIONS on erasing your history EVERYWHERE.
any book of his to check out speaking about Slavic?
Pyrro, I’m even criticising Anatoly Klyosov, l can’t fathom Y-DNA (R1a) as originally ‘Aryan’ who brought Aryan language into Europe and all the while R1b being Turkic? I think there is some bias from Klyosov. Brate, l know Slavs dominated the ‘country-side’ of modern Greece. Greeks only knew of ‘Polis’ and inhabited the cities. What is interesting Pyrro, the word Polis is cognate to Serbian Pole or Polje ‘field’. Serbs in the past spoke more like the Shopi of Eastern/Western Bulgaria……languages are always ‘evolving’. I think ‘maybe’ Putin has thrown a spanner into their plans. His exposed Biden, Son and Co with their Biolabs and dealings in Ukraine. We have never seen so many private jets arrive to Davos recently. When l hear the agent of Rothschilds, Soros talking about the need to dispose Putin. Putin must have hit a serious nerve to p.i.s.s the mega elites off lol Maybe the head of the snake is getting beheaded in Ukraine? Please have a read of Mario Allinei, he basically repeated OUR logical theory of the past. Remember all the lol from Shqiptars and others denials |
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