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Post by Arxileas on Dec 18, 2007 0:27:58 GMT -5
Topic title was too long to fit. More than 60,000 Macedonian citizens wait to get Bulgarian citizenship, stated Bulgarian Ambassador to Skopje general Miho Mihov. The visa regime which entered in force from January 2007, restricted many of the travellers to Bulgaria and increased the desires of those who wish Bulgarian citizenship, said Mihov. In the last years over 10,000 Macedonians received Bulgarian citizenship. Now the numbers of those who insist for it are six times more. Bulgarian Ambassador believes that the motivation comes from the country's joining in the Union. The launching of first direct airline between Sofia and Skopje is modern and perspective decision. According to Mihov, the policy and business elite of Macedonia will firstly take advantage of the acquisition. Bulgaria could be one of the starting points of Macedonia to Europe, which represents the Bulgaria's support for Macedonia's integration into European and Atlantic structures. Before the visa regime Bulgaria was visited by more than 700,000 Macedonian citizens per year. international.ibox.bg/news/id_1522908694
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 18, 2007 0:31:13 GMT -5
There seems to be a great deal of interest for these people to become Bulgarian citizens !
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Post by depletedreasons on Dec 18, 2007 3:38:21 GMT -5
Macedonians utilize historical ties with Bulgaria in order to bypass the Greek oppression targeting anything that is Macedonian.
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Post by Rhezus on Dec 18, 2007 6:47:50 GMT -5
I hope they won't get any. We don't need such yougos, granting them citizenship etc. What if Albanians want to be Italians or Russians to be Lithuanians.
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 18, 2007 7:29:28 GMT -5
Macedonians utilize historical ties with Bulgaria and to their embarrassing and disgraceful performance by their Prime minister at the U.N general assembly recently. There is now a mass exodus Spot on Jan.
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 18, 2007 7:34:07 GMT -5
I hope they won't get any. We don't need such yougos, granting them citizenship etc. What if Albanians want to be Italians or Russians to be Lithuanians. Thanks for the input Rhezus, very much valued. It's not hard for them as you may know, for them to assimilate with Bulgaria since it's widely accepted that the two languages are both similar. Both countries Prime Ministers need no interpretors. P.s correct me for any errors.
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 18, 2007 7:38:47 GMT -5
By the way have corrected the topic at hand due to an error by the site master noticed they have made the corrections from 600,000 to 60,000 now
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Post by radovic on Dec 18, 2007 10:16:09 GMT -5
all this means is Bulgaria has relatively easy citizenship laws. While some Bulgarians will say that it shows the "Bulgarianess" of the population in FYROM I see it more as FYROMians wanting an easy way to go head west due to the EU Visa rules that restrict the ability of FYROMians to travel and work in the EU.
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Post by Ivanov on Dec 18, 2007 13:00:20 GMT -5
The reason we grant them easy citizenship are very complex. It is not a propaganda, or territorial ambitions. It is just because we see them as our lost brothers, we feel that we owe them at least this, no matter that they don't deserve it. We were divided more than 70 years. They were brainwashed and teached to hate us. Vardar Macedonia is present all over Bulgaria. Many of our prominent figures - members of parliament, ministers and prime ministers, poets, musicians are Bulgarians from Macedonia. Our current Prime minister and our Parliament chief have a Macedonian origin. Hundreds of streets and squares in Sofia and other cities are named after objects in Fyrom. The Macedonian folk music is one of the most popular here ( though we claim it is Bulgarian).
Bulgaria does not grant easy citizenship at all. But people who can prove their ethnic Bulgarian origin can use a faster procedure. For the Fyrom case - Most of the the Fyromians have blood relatives in Bulgaria - in some cases even brothers and sisters. Also many people keep the birth certificates of their forefathers issued by the Bulgarian church (untill 1918 Fyrom was under the jurisdiction of the Bulgarian orthodox church). Also many people from Fyrom have volunteered in the Bulgarian army during the WWI and WWII - documents which prove this also serve fine to their grandchildren. If no documents are available, the applicants signs a declaration, stating his/her Bulgarian origin and goes for an interview which is in Bulgarian.
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Post by Ivanov on Dec 18, 2007 13:10:30 GMT -5
In 2007 the Fyromian former prime minister (1998-2002) and current MP Lubcho Georgievski applied for Bulgarian citizeship, stating that his parrents have always been ethnic Bulgarians. He was granted his BG passport by our vice president in May 2007. Was he sincere, or he wanted to travel and work in EU? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ljub%C4%8Do_Georgievski
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Post by Rhezus on Dec 18, 2007 16:04:45 GMT -5
That was in the past.. Now they are no longer any Bulgarians. Those who want to get BG citizenship should first get a job, settle, work and pay taxes here - at least for 5 years. Further more, they shall choose either Bulgarian or Macedonian citizenship - not both.
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Post by ioan on Dec 18, 2007 23:09:03 GMT -5
I hope they won't get any. We don't need such yougos, granting them citizenship etc. What if Albanians want to be Italians or Russians to be Lithuanians. But the albos were never Italians and the Russians-Luthuanians. Macaronians up till mid 20 century were pure Bulgarians. I agree that now they are another nation, though fake, with no history and I agree with you they should be refused a citizenship. They dont deserve it!
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Post by radovic on Dec 19, 2007 10:25:31 GMT -5
The reason we grant them easy citizenship are very complex. It is not a propaganda, or territorial ambitions. It is just because we see them as our lost brothers, we feel that we owe them at least this, no matter that they don't deserve it. We were divided more than 70 years. They were brainwashed and teached to hate us. Vardar Macedonia is present all over Bulgaria. Many of our prominent figures - members of parliament, ministers and prime ministers, poets, musicians are Bulgarians from Macedonia. Our current Prime minister and our Parliament chief have a Macedonian origin. Hundreds of streets and squares in Sofia and other cities are named after objects in Fyrom. The Macedonian folk music is one of the most popular here ( though we claim it is Bulgarian). Bulgaria does not grant easy citizenship at all. But people who can prove their ethnic Bulgarian origin can use a faster procedure. For the Fyrom case - Most of the the Fyromians have blood relatives in Bulgaria - in some cases even brothers and sisters. Also many people keep the birth certificates of their forefathers issued by the Bulgarian church (untill 1918 Fyrom was under the jurisdiction of the Bulgarian orthodox church). Also many people from Fyrom have volunteered in the Bulgarian army during the WWI and WWII - documents which prove this also serve fine to their grandchildren. If no documents are available, the applicants signs a declaration, stating his/her Bulgarian origin and goes for an interview which is in Bulgarian. The second part of your argument proves my point. If Bulgaria didn't grant easy citizenship then it wouldn't be so easy for a FYROMian to come in and say I'm Bulgarian give me citizenship now. As far as I'm aware FYROMians do not have to prove their Bulgarian origin. Bulgaria would make it a process to get citizenship to prove their "Bulgarianess." Look at Romania, they have Moldova (basically the same situation) and it is not easy for Moldovans to get Romanian citizenship because Romania tries to verify their "Romanianess." Also. The signing of a declaration is stupid. The person could easily just sign it, get the citizenship and leave. The simple fact is Bulgaria grants citizenship easily. I mean I remember reading in a UK newspaper about this a few months before Bulgaria joined the EU and they had an interview with a man who worked as a security huard in Skoplje and he basically said "I found out I met the requirements to get Bulgarian citizenship. I've never felt Bulgarian but I plan to get Bulgarian citizenship and a passport and headwest." The majority of FYROMians applying for citizenship have the same view to Bulgarian citizenship and thus don't really care for Bulgaria. Like Ivanov said if Bulgaria wants to grant them citizenship then bulgaria should require them to do something more. E.g. live and work in bulgaria for several years. Also. WWI & WWII documents are questionalbe. what if they were forced to serve in the Bulgarian army or Bulgarian documents were forced upon them. I mean I know when Bulgaria occupied Southeast Serbia in WWII Bulgarian documents were forced upon the Serbs and the Bulgarian authorities made a large number adopt Bulgarian names 0-- my source for this is in the book Portraits of Serbia by norweigian journalist Åsne Seierstad. Also. You sight the example of Lubcho Georgievski. If Bulgaria didn't have easy citizenship laws then he shouldn't have so easily gained citizenship. Same goes with any former communistas who apply. Lastly. The Bulgarian Churches authority in FYROM is questionable. The Bulgarian Exarchate claimed jurisdiction in FYROM. It ceded that jurisdiction in 1913 and re-claimed it during WWI (and during WWI it's authority was claimed, however it was not ceded back). The reason the authority is questionable is because the Excharcate was not canon with Orthodox church law (the Bulgarian church only officially regained autocephaly after WWII). Not only that but the exarchate claimed authority ower areas that were always under the authority of other churches and in some cases directly connected to patriarchs associated with the ecumenical patriarch in what is now Istanbul.
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Post by Rhezus on Dec 19, 2007 17:24:02 GMT -5
Exactly!... As said, let everybody who wants a BG citizenship, settle, work, pay taxes and then.. if no criminal records for the last 5 year - no problems to apply!
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Post by Ivanov on Dec 20, 2007 14:23:39 GMT -5
Radovic, I told you it is complex and not rationall at all. Lots of emotions, from both sides.
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Post by Ivanov on Dec 21, 2007 4:24:23 GMT -5
By the way, it seems that our ministers read this forum Bulgaria Greencards CompatriotsThe Government hopes that two million Bulgarians will start working in the country The Government will start issuing green cards for ethnic Bulgarians living abroad. Thus two million Bulgarians will be able to live and work in Bulgaria. The new strategy for attracting ethnic Bulgarians was devised by experts of the Foreign Ministry. It is one of the Cabinet's attempts to solve the demographic crisis and compensate for the lack of labour in key sectors of the economy. The green card's target groups are the Bulgarian communities in Ukraine, Russia and the Balkans, as well as the emigrants who left Bulgaria after 1989. The Bessarabian Bulgarians are expected to benefit most from the new initiative. Although it allows residence in Bulgaria, the green card would not automatically secure a Bulgarian citizenship, Bulgaria's Foreign Minister Ivailo Klfin explained. www.standartnews.com/en/article.php?d=2007-12-21&article=10515
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Post by radovic on Dec 21, 2007 15:58:51 GMT -5
By the way, it seems that our ministers read this forum Bulgaria Greencards CompatriotsThe Government hopes that two million Bulgarians will start working in the country The Government will start issuing green cards for ethnic Bulgarians living abroad. Thus two million Bulgarians will be able to live and work in Bulgaria. The new strategy for attracting ethnic Bulgarians was devised by experts of the Foreign Ministry. It is one of the Cabinet's attempts to solve the demographic crisis and compensate for the lack of labour in key sectors of the economy. The green card's target groups are the Bulgarian communities in Ukraine, Russia and the Balkans, as well as the emigrants who left Bulgaria after 1989. The Bessarabian Bulgarians are expected to benefit most from the new initiative. Although it allows residence in Bulgaria, the green card would not automatically secure a Bulgarian citizenship, Bulgaria's Foreign Minister Ivailo Klfin explained. www.standartnews.com/en/article.php?d=2007-12-21&article=10515Don't expect FYROMians to start coming to Bulgaria in large numbers because of Green Cards (especially when they are an EU candidate already). People in Russia and ther Ukraine (especially the Ukraine) are most likely to be attracted by this program.
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