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Post by depletedreasons on Mar 27, 2008 7:28:21 GMT -5
Turkish 'Trakia Cam' to Invest $450 M in BulgariaPublished on: 27.03.2008, 12:14 Author: international.news.bg Turkish glass manufacturer ‘Trakya Cam' announced its intentions to invest $415 million in Bulgaria by 2010. This was reported in a statement of the company to the stock exchange on Thursday, March 27, Reuters revealed. The Turkish glass producer ‘Sisecam' is the majority owner of ‘Trakya Cam'. The news was told at the beginning of the official visit of Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan to Bulgaria. international.ibox.bg/news/id_875653753
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Post by pagane on Mar 27, 2008 7:31:57 GMT -5
Sisecam is not a very good investor. Go and ask the ethnic Turks who work for this company in their factory in Targovishte. Low wages and not very nice working environment.
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Post by Rhezus on Mar 27, 2008 8:58:09 GMT -5
Blaming it on "Sisecam".. Isn't there any trade unions left? Or is probaly Bulgaria known as a very cheap labour market?!
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Post by pagane on Mar 27, 2008 13:53:17 GMT -5
Yep. They provide the money for their workers. Again, you speak without knowing a single fact. I have spoken to people who have worked there. Are you going to stop with your silly, ignorant and annoying posts?
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Post by bb681 on Mar 27, 2008 14:27:09 GMT -5
meh...multimillion businesses investing in Bulgaria are quite a few already and a Turkish one is not one to die for,with or without. Of course the money have no nationality so they will be gladly accepted but generally speaking, news about some firm investing X millions over period of Y years is getting a bit cliche now(unless its a huge one,ready to go for billions as this is not yet happening).
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Post by Rhezus on Mar 27, 2008 14:29:34 GMT -5
Of course they do, and they should be happy somebody gives them sallaries. Since there aren't any organized, well established trade unions, they will get paid low.. (as anywhere else in BG).
Again, which are the facts I don't know but you know?!
I don't think they are silly or ingnorant. You just can't handle them. As usual, big mouths like you write cheques which your brain and body does not cover..
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Post by pagane on Mar 27, 2008 15:42:18 GMT -5
First you state that salaries are low and blame the country for that, now you state that workers should be happy they are getting paid at all. You are a moron. No point in talking to you.
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Post by Rhezus on Mar 27, 2008 16:26:33 GMT -5
Of course, if the state can't offer them any jobs and desn't even help to establish minimum wages - they should be glad to have anything else. You are such a stubborn freak that you'll never get the point.. And yes, I don't see any point discussing it with you at all.
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Post by pagane on Mar 27, 2008 16:30:14 GMT -5
Don't. It will be first bright display of yours. Remember it, no way you can repeat doing something clever.
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Post by Rhezus on Mar 27, 2008 16:33:23 GMT -5
You are such a waste of time.. Real .bitch. Anyway, I wish you more luck with the guys.. lol
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Post by Kubrat on Mar 27, 2008 23:11:01 GMT -5
rhezus, i don't know where to start dismanteling you posts, so i'll just put a fe pointers down. what you want is a socialist government, or somehting that is a little left of center. look at the states, lots of their places dont have unions, many mexican imigrants make less then.... and certain places don't have much of, if any minimum wage, i've heard of servers making 2 bucks an hour, ppl at walmart making 5
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Post by ioan on Mar 28, 2008 1:43:48 GMT -5
i kind of get what rhezus says about the lack of unions. actually there are but they are weak and the chairmans think only of themselves. its good to have unions that stand up for the right of their members. i could understand that he is fan of this, in the end he lives in northern europe where socialism is already build. however i m amazed how rhezus obviously adores the turkish guys! obviously u re very biased when it comes to turkey. why so? and u hate everything greek. but culturally, religiously, even ethnically we are mostly influenced by the greeks.
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Post by depletedreasons on Mar 28, 2008 2:04:21 GMT -5
Rhesuz has a point.
Investment without establishment of decent industrial relations is not so good.
Unfortunately, global competition pushes each company to seek places at where the rights of unions and worker rights are abused or not appreciated.
I had a friend who has been some factories in China. He said it is not possible to refer any sort of "right" that the Chinese workers have at such factories. That is why, China is the top investment destination for the global firms.
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Post by pagane on Mar 28, 2008 2:43:40 GMT -5
You can not compare Bulgaria and China. Of course Chinese do not have any union rights. There are probably millions who can take the available job if one resigns or is being fired. Salaries in China are among the lowest in the world as well.
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Post by depletedreasons on Mar 28, 2008 3:01:07 GMT -5
I do not compare Bulgaria with China, but I do point out some tendencies.
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Post by Ivanov on Mar 28, 2008 3:53:41 GMT -5
I have said it before, Rhezus is somehow connected to Turkey!
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Post by Rhezus on Mar 28, 2008 5:30:54 GMT -5
Mexico or the states are the last one should look at, They are the worst examples for Bulgaria. Here is Europe, Bulgaria is member of the European Union! Compair it with the central Europe, the Baltics instead.. can't you see things are much better there? Bulgarians will remain poor - that thing is clear. It's up to Bulgarian ppl to decide how they want certaing things. Obviously Bulgaria is such corrupted nation, the trade unions has no effect. People are on their own, contacts, connections and a$s licking etc. And after all, you blame the foreing investors when the sallaries are low! But... the problem is who allows them to pay low wages? Of course Bulgarian institutions and the Bulgarians themselves. Why should they invest in Bulgaria, if their costs would be higher here? Haha... About Turkey.. When you have nothing else to say, you come up to ask me Turkey things.. Ivanov, Ioan, Kubrat - I told you before, I like Turkey just becaus you can't stand it (As well as Greeks, Srbs and all other Greek orthodox influnced can't stand Turkey)! But this country is more respected than all these mentioned above together. It's a strong nation and the rest of the World likes TR (except... gues who... the looser nations). Here I can add even Armenia and Georgia. I would like to see all these countries in one union - the Greek orthodox union! ;D ;D Not belonging to the Europian one though.
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Post by pagane on Mar 28, 2008 5:50:18 GMT -5
This guy is nuts.
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Post by Rhezus on Mar 28, 2008 6:08:02 GMT -5
Nuts.. are all who don't get the point. You don't even understand where Bulgaria is going. Yeah, blame Turkey and Europe for being poor. Good reason - Balkan dogma!
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Post by depletedreasons on Mar 28, 2008 9:04:22 GMT -5
I have said it before, Rhezus is somehow connected to Turkey! Historically speaking, Bulgars are connected to the Turks more than anyone around. ;D
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